16/5/12 Episode Discussion - Page 2

Krishna must have a heart of stone, yaar, how can u resist Pintuji's smile. He should put a trademark on that smile. It is smile that can sail a thousand ships. My if he ever looked at me like that, I would not be able to resist.

Originally posted by: rvarier

Krishna must have a heart of stone, yaar, how can u resist Pintuji's smile. He should put a trademark on that smile. It is smile that can sail a thousand ships. My if he ever looked at me like that, I would not be able to resist.

SAME PINCH 😆😆 . U know AFter episode I was asking this same question 2 myself that how can krishna resist such a Wonderful guy . His just one slight smile is enough 2 make u do everything he wants . Seriously Krishna have so much patience 2 resist . If i would have been in her place I surely wouldn't have been able 2 do that . 😆
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Originally posted by: moniluvskinshuk

@Shri

About that not seeing shadow custom . It may happen if Sargam doesn't know abt it . See Different families have different culture and customs which they follow evenif they are of same cast or religion . many times One custom is followed by one family but the same custom of same cast is not followed or known by different family . So I was not surprised when Sargam was shown not knowing abt the ceremony . May be Krishna's family might have followed that tradition from long time but In TTS family and even in Sargam's maayeka They might not knrew abt this custom or never would have told 2 Sargam as They might not have followed that custom anytime .

@Shri

Yeah This 2 can happen that since She doesn't have any jethji So she doesn't know abt it .

The highlight of the episode for me was when Saraswati said that Krishna had never received any love or understanding from her, so she had expected her to get a good mother in law. Just the quirky, motherly insanity of that sentiment touched me deeply. Saraswati is now aware of how wrong she was in her behaviour to Krishna and I think she sort of expected Krishna's dues from the universe in the form of a real mother after marriage. I don't know just how to say it but her understanding of the whole situation and her distancing herself from it to criticise her own behaviour was very moving for me. There is a fierce love there that the practical Saraswati is not able to negotiate within herself.

I too thought Krishna was too harsh in her behaviour to Pintu. I mean it is totally fine if she wasn't in the mood for romance but she could have been a little more mature about the whole thing. One dialogue of "until your mother gives her blessing, let our relationship be what it was before marriage" would have more than sufficed. Then again, almost out of spite, I felt like Pintu needed a harsh reality check. He promised his mother that a choti bahu would not enter the house without her blessing and here she is!

Now I know a lot of you feel bad for Pintu but I don't. I get Ganga and I get Krishna and I get their irritation with him. Ganga went to her maika with the full trust that TTS would make Pintu understand and he would come around, and the promise from Pintu himself that the he wouldn't get married without her blessing. And here he is, wife in tow, demanding her acceptance.Ganga is resenting Krishna because of a promise that Pintu broke. I sympathise with Krishna because she has no idea about the promise Pintu made to his mother.

So when she comes back to the room, she is no longer the hopeful, resilient woman that went out of it, confident that she would break the wall. I think this is because she realises that Ganga is not just angry with her, which she could have fixed, but saddened and broken by the loss of her son. So while it was Pintu that was obviously cheated in yesterday's episode, I feel like Krishna was cheated on a much deeper level because all parties undermined Ganga's pain and said it was nothing, when it was really very serious. So at first I felt bad for Pintu, but now I kind of feel, why not?

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

So when she comes back to the room, she is no longer the hopeful, resilient woman that went out of it, confident that she would break the wall. I think this is because she realises that Ganga is not just angry with her, which she could have fixed, but saddened and broken by the loss of her son. So while it was Pintu that was obviously cheated in yesterday's episode, I feel like Krishna was cheated on a much deeper level because all parties undermined Ganga's pain and said it was nothing, when it was really very serious. So at first I felt bad for Pintu, but now I kind of feel, why not?

Samana,

I would have agreed to your logic based on Krishna's character...Actually would have understood it perfectly...however on the objective level of watching the scene as directed, with krishna's escaping eyes, the impressions are not that she really feels all bad about the state of affairs as caused by Pinto and even if she felt the gravity of the matter; where is the reproachment expressed to her husband. Agreed, Krishna is not a person to find fault with anyone on face value, but isn't Krishna also an epitome of CLARITY when it comes to matters of principles, truth and family persons; where she never lets things unsaid or unexpressed through eyes what she feels wrong about the other person's actions ? In the past she was able to express anger to Pinto..the writers cannot change her character so much as to compromise the relationship.

Coming to Krishna's expressions and which Mitali previously portrayed. When undergoing internal conflict of right and wrong, and hurt sentiments, she has a way of showing a confused face, full of pain and displeasure, conflict and hurt. We have seen that before. What you have expressed deserves that kind of face/acting. Today's scene was very superficial one compared to her previous conflicts at doing the right thing, disappointment in family member (like her brother) and yet feeling hurt that family member is hurt because of her action. If she can so clearly hold her views in all granularity, what was so difficult in expressing the same to Pinto...this is what some of us felt today.

Post jail-drama, the writers started giving us a Krishna who loves Pinto with all his flaws even if his actions jeopradize her journey ahead. And based on the same lines, expected is she would still be with him. And Krishna was perfectly aware how Tuntun said to all, no need to inform Ganga, she will come around...Now if the writers are deciding to change her into different Krishna, then it does not make any sense to me the point of marriage. The marriage is seriously imbalanced in every manner. Ganga was right in remembering Saraswati's taunts...Waise bhi aapke Pinto mein aisa kya hai ki hum apni ladki de". That part is not addressed yet and now the mother's blessings issue...

All this leads to the plot line...Will Krishna be able to become the DOTING WIFE and DUTIFUL DIL ? But at what cost ? The storm that caused them to marry in such circumstances, in a rushed manner; leaving them unprepared ? 😕 Which storm ? oh! that storm caused by Ganga, Saraswati, Tuntun to sacrifice Pinto and krishna ? Now am I to understand that forget the storm and its repercussions and let's just have the Krishna of pre-storm days...I don't know if my rant is making any sense, but I do believe the fact Krishna too wanted to get married to Pinto because her mother would have got her married to someone else, if she did not agree to Pinto's plan (undermining all logical flaws of the bond in present times). On the same bargain lines, she deserves to be a functioning wife and not just trying to be a blessed and accepted DIL.

@Shri: I agree that the greatest flaw of yesterday's episode was in the direction. There was a distinct lack of clarity, like you said, in Krishna's actions and expressions and we know it is not Mitali because she has delivered flawlessly layered performances in the past in similar situations. More than anything, I was trying to make the situation acceptable to myself, which I tend to do when shows fall short of my expectations on their own.

Your rant makes perfect sense. Of course Krishna wanted to marry Pintu and she didn't even mind the the issues because like you said, it was now or never. Saraswati is not a woman who can see situations being fixed. When Krishna failed her interview, she was all up in arms saying it was all over, so the same way, she would not have believed that Ganga could be won over eventually and so would have forced Krishna to marry someone else. It was now or never for Krishna and she too took the plunge, knowing about Ganga's issues.

The problem here, and the point that I think is worth arguing is that nobody, not even Pintu, appraised Krishna of how deep Ganga's pain really was, perhaps because they didn't understand it themselves. And I think Krishna took the decision to get married thinking that Ganga was the same person who she always was and that she was just mistaken about her. Once Krishna took away this misunderstanding of her own character, all would be well. But that is not the case. This is not the same Ganga, but rather one that is broken by her husband and more so son's betrayal. Krishna is a mere side effect. So how is Krishna supposed to solve this when she is not really the problem?

Here is where she should have talked to Pintu, made him understand in no uncertain terms that he had made a huge mistake by allowing this marriage to happen without his mother. Then again, it is the first night of their wedding, so while she couldn't do what she was meant to as a wife, she also couldn't bring herself to tell him what she should have as a friend, so she, for the first time ever, just ignored the problem and turned her back to it in a distinctly un-Krishna like way.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Here is where she should have talked to Pintu, made him understand in no uncertain terms that he had made a huge mistake by allowing this marriage to happen without his mother. Then again, it is the first night of their wedding, so while she couldn't do what she was meant to as a wife, she also couldn't bring herself to tell him what she should have as a friend, so she, for the first time ever, just ignored the problem and turned her back to it in a distinctly un-Krishna like way.

@ bold. 😆 That was beautiful.

The medical-counsellors use the expression Performance Anxiety for this night. Intelligent couples try to overcome the anxiety issues through friendly chats from early on between various wedding ceremonies, especially in the post marriage ones. Our elders in these arranged marriages did not infuse sport and interplay in the name of ceremonies just like that. All that sport kind of creates tolerance to physical presence between the var-vadhu and the gat-jhod for a while with its actual tangible quality makes them accept that they are bound and proximity is in there to be kept and maintained. The same understanding and tolerant spirit starts preparing them for that cautious and nervous tread into the room where the bridal bed is reposited.

So logically, Krishna and Pinto did not have those sporty and teasing ceremonies.

It is not necessary that couples consummate on the same night. Many do not even like it under the duress. But understanding, a semblance of marriage is maintained. The anxiety on each's part is to not offend the other and yet not succumb to something that they do not want. Trust is not easy to build. And things done in unassumed manner can become easily defamatory points when marriage issues surface. Therefore, mostly couples are polite, not wanting to commit mistake. Even the friendliest of husband is anxious to think what will his wife think of him if he does not make a move. So most of the times the move is to protect himself. The reaction from the woman is equally an anxious one. As she tends to think, what will he think if I do not reciprocate ?

So some understanding couples by sheer magic, strike up friendly bonding.

All of this explains the escaping eyes of Krishna if she was feeling nervous about the whole thing. There are some who saw this aspect in that scene. But again logic tells us that Krishna was not pre-occupied with nervousness, but was pre-occupied with something else. I had once wriiten that later on interaction on the physical level is going to be a challenge to Krishna and it can augur trouble for the couple. The writers messed up this aspect of Krishna as well. They could have started building on this with her cute, timid expressions, but NO! they had to bring Ganga issue for her to have those escaping eyes. I think somewhere between story, script, screenplay and multiple shots for the scene, the EDITING became the culprit for the result in the episode.
Viewers are always willing to see anything as long as it is beautiful and plausible. Implausible is what makes us go nuts.

Then there is the other logical argument that because krishna and Pinto are friends between shy moments of hesitation and resistance, they could have hoped to have some respite and then discussing the serious matter of Ganga blessings.

The problem with AB show, is takes all scenes for granted and tends to rush up. Some scenes need to given ample screen time, they just cannot ignore the seriousness of it. Pacing of the scene and editing is a big problem in AB.

@Shri: I didn't give performance anxiety as much thought as I perhaps should have. Krishna has always been extremely reticent to any physical contact while Pintu has always done it naturally. I thought he was actually quite smooth here, using her jewellery as an excuse to touch her, get her comfortable with his touch. This is actually what that rasam of spotting the arundhati star used to be for (before it became only ritualistic). The wife was instructed (by her mother, before the wedding night) to point out the wrong star when her husband asked where it was so that he could take her hand and point to the right one. 😉 Our traditions really do cover everything!

Krishna has barely ever touched Pintu of her own volition. It was a big step for her to put her hand on his shoulder, sitting on the back of the bike so she may well be nervous, and that coupled with the general distrust she feels for him not properly appraising her of the Ganga situation would explain the way she almost cringed at his touch. But the problem is communication. Now he only has a very vague idea of why she is pushing him away and unless they communicate, one or the other could make the situation worse, which given the track record of the CVs, they will. 😆