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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Eirene

My Take on Kerim and his Emotional Crisis

Feel for Kerim and the emotional crisis he has been going through, not just now after receiving his dad's letter but since his childhood when his mother committed suicide instead of choosing to live for her little son and his father chose to abandon him, leaving him all alone in this world. Last time I had tried to relate to FG by thinking about things from her perspective. This time I am gonna try to do the same from Kerim's perspective.

What Kerim has been suffering since his childhood is something we can't even imagine. Little Ketim saw his mother commit suicide right before his eyes. Imagine how horrifying the sight of seeing his mother hanging from the ceiling like that must have been for him. Even adults can lose their minds seeing something like that... while here we are taking abt a little boy. Such a tragedy can cause a huge psychological damage to a child. How terribly shocked, scared, insecure and devastated the kid must have been. What he desperately needed at that time to overcome this horrific trauma was the loving, reassuring presence of his father. How he must have needed his father's arms around him, reassuring him that all was going to be fine, that he wasn't alone, that he would always be there for him. But tragically, at the time he needed his father the most, he chose to abandon him. He cruelly left the little boy alone despite knowing that he had no one else in the world to claim him or take care of him. Yes, Sr Ebe Nene took him in, but his father didn't know she wld. Moreover, Kerim was old enough to realise that she was not related to his family and he was more of a charity case for her. He waited and waited for his father but sadly he never turned up. Imagine how that must have destroyed the psyche of the little kid. It's almost inhuman, cruel for a person to do this to a child, regardless of the reasons. On top of that, Kerim also had every reason to blame his father for losing his mother too as he believed she had killed herself out of desperation because he had abandoned them both. What a double blow the boy had suffered.

Such wounds caused are struck deep in young hearts and minds, and the pain caused by them is felt thru out one's life. It's not easy to forgive something like this. Logic and reasoning don't help in such situations. Moreover, what logic or reasoning are we talking abt here. There is nothing justifiable here in any case. Would you and I be able to forgive something like this? I think not. It's easier said than done.

Truth is, intense emotional crisis of abandonment can create a trauma severe enough to leave an emotional imprint on an individuals' psychological functioning thru out one's life. As with other types of traumas, PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) of abandonment too is a psychological condition in which childhood separation traumas can continue to interfere with one's life unless timely help/therapy is sought to deal with the same. An earmark of this kind of trauma is extreme anxiety which often manifests as a pervasive feeling of insecurity (which as we know can also be a major source of self sabotage in most relationships) and heightened emotional responses, esp to abandonment triggers that are often considered insignificant by others.

In Kerim's case, the letter fiasco had reawakened his old losses. Echoes of old feelings of anger, resentment, vulnerability etc had come back to haunt him again in full force. In fact now he was going thru double the amt of anxiety and insecurity - one caused by the reminder of his parents cruel abandonment of him and the other caused by his continued lack of surety of FG's love. He seems to be going thru an Emotional pendulum swing caught in the middle of these two issues. His abandonment driven feelings of insecurity cld be making him even more insecure with respect to Fatmagul. Plus Mustafa's constant lurking around and trying to claim her back must not be helping. He must feel like 'walls closing in on him' at times - sthing that can happen in such situations - hence his emotionally charged, aggressive reaction to Mustafa's flowers to Fatma. Can't blame him really. It's very difficult to sort one's feelings thru such an emotional fog. There is a natural tendency towards unpredictable outbursts of anger, acting impulsively despite being aware of the negative consequences etc under these conditions.

When we say - just like FG gave a chance to Kerim, he too shld give a chance to his father, we should not forget that Kerim tirelessly worked to get that chance and that too against all odds. It's Kerim's persistent persual of her, his undeterred round the clock being around her and working for her well being, his demonstration of his unconditional love thru countless little gestures of care for her that ultimately made FG give him a chance. Imagine if he too, like his father, had stayed away and only written letters imploring her to forgive him, wld she have given him a chance? No. She too most likely wld have torn those letters without reading them. Kerim's father too needs to EARN his forgiveness by coming back and doing everything possible to atone for what he did. Yes, he wld initially have to face angry rejection and rightly so, just like Kerim had to with Fatmagul. But given the nature of his offence, he should persevere and do everything possible to win his trust and love back just like Kerim did. There are no free lunches in this world. Merely writing letters seeking his permission to come back so that he cld tbe there for him is horribly inadequate and doesn't cut it. Sr Ilgaz needs to 'work' to atone for his sins. Yes, it's a sin to abandon a little child, to leave him on his own in the world to fend for himself, to practically orphan him. And that too a child who is also going thru the horrible trauma of having seen his mother commit suicide right before his eyes. Also, abandoned children mostly grow up feeling highly inadequate. They feel maybe something is wrong with them which is why their parents did not find them worthy of their love and care. Feelings of insecurity, unworthiness, resentment, bitterness, anger etc become so deep rooted that they can end up destroying their lives. That Kerim had to suffer all this for no fault of his is ON his father and it's up to him to now do right by him and he doesn't need Kerim's permission for it. He sure hadn't sought his permission before abandoning him, had he! Why does he even think he needs one now to atone for it! Bizarre.

Bottomline - given all the suffering, the trauma etc, Kerim is justified in his reaction to his father and to the letters he has been writing. I don't think he is being selfish at all. I completely understand his sate of mind and empathise with him. Just like Kerim was brave enough to stay around Fatmagul despite her hatred, her mistrust, her rejection, her anger (and I reiterate that she was right in reacting to him like this at that time) and had worked hard against all odds to win her trust and love, his father too needs to do the same. He needs to do more than just lip service and come back regardless of whether he wants him to or not and 'for a change' actually be there for him. He needs to work his butt off, if need be, to win his son's mutilated trust and confidence in parental love and DO what a father is expected to do, instead of merely writing letters and begging for forgiveness. Also, apparently, he has been writing letters to Kerim since he was in his teens. How ridiculous it is that he just went by his teen son's refusal to read the letters and decided to stay away. What can be more moronic than that imo. Out of the two, he was the adult and should have behaved like one. Regardless of his son's anger and resentment towards him (and justified at that), he should have returned long back and fulfilled his parental duties towards him besides trying to win back his love, trust and forgiveness. Can't really blame Kerim for the way he feels toward his father.

Wow! one more cumment after @shalu79 for Kerim & his emotional crisis...lil lengthy but amazing take on this topic dear...look like, koi pshchological expert ka post padha hai...lol!...but u nothing left to say...everything has well explained...nice to read ur POV 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Barbiedoll_sona

I never understood Fg's character ..and yesterday ,she even more flummoxed me..she said everybody forced their own demands on her ..then I really thought kerem somewhere tried to tie her along with her against her will..then after return from hospital ,she was so happy to see her name plate onwards her restaurant..she even rejoiced when some customer complimented to kerem and her pairing ..

Soy complication is just liker her .
She has forgiven him that's why she is falling for him
Or
She is falling for him that's why she is forgiving him..
In both case result will be same ..that is Farim love story ..
Still I am trying to figure out "what fatmagul wants"😆

By the way FG was really looking beautiful at party ..Farim looked damn cute while singing ..❤️
FG is being liker her husband ..like the way kerem cracks up us with his one liners ..Fg too did the same when kristin was calling him after party ..shaitan ka nam lia shaitan hazir ..
Ewww yesterday meltem had left her all shame ..she and musti were not less than any torture to our eyes ..
Precap ..
I feel its nothing but mukko's planning to to break window's glasses and mukko is the one who gave information about restaurant to salee and apparently to yasarans..
Yasaran sent flowers to FG to instigate kerem against musti ..

Whenever the happy long background music plays for ilgaz family ..right after that some bad thing bumps to them..and it always steals their joy ..
I always get feared whenever they play that particular happy background music ...

@Bold! I think itz like...
She is falling for him & at the same time she is forgiving him.
OR
She is forgiving him & at the same time she is falling for him.
In both case result will be same.
And my POV observes first one 😛
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Posted: 9 years ago
Kerim is a very sensitive and emotional dude and reacts rather extra in many situations where it comes to his loved ones.
I guess hes like this as he suffered a great loss and even witnessed it as a child. The mothers suicide must hav altered his personality somehow.

And he never wanted to marry as in 1st episode he says he has no plans to marry ever. Because his parents destructive relationship had messed up his concept of marriage and attachment.

As we can see he was very insecure and always looking for acceptance even if it means bearing crude jokes and insulting behaviour from his yadhran friends n vural.

Hes trying to get acceptance at a cost of self respect and dignity as he feels abandoned coz his mother left him and father abandoned and moved abroad. So I have that analysis. Even when he falls for fatma his insecurity is that she will leave him or divorce him hence he is willing to bear any harsh treatment from her so she wont abandon him too.

Infact if we see everyone in his life had abandoned him and thats why hes like this. Hes not gullible but acted so before so ppl in his life will value him.




Edited by SaraFatma - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
For English subtitles of yesterday's episode, you can visit:
https://www.amara.org/en/videos/8pw86QnAcIyk/en/27270/
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Posted: 9 years ago
Dummy's Trip to Castles in USFG

Mount Meltem Castle.
Please wear seat belt. Your ride will be a uphill.

Rogue Castle
Take a your book connecting the dots and get to your "Job" on reaching the castle
MummyBurg Castle
Mum is the word here. No act will hold up anyone.

Pro Castle
For those interested in being professionally challenged.

ErdoMoral Castle
Tucked in the heights of Yesaran hills, you can get free advice to call it quits.
*inner voice - on smoking, alochol etc?*
Dummy:Nahi Yaar...only on moral issue dealt here.

Conny Castle
Aunty mat kaho naa is the code to enter the castle*inner voice - hum paanch re-run?anyone?* dummy - aunty or didi ka faraq nahin hai kya?
Dummy Alert : Salih *btw showed up as Zelih*

Pain Castle
No words to describe.Infested by MosQuito*inner voice - kya bachcha hai* Dummy :runs to practise Vipasana

MP's Castle
All kick backs will be screened at the entrance here.*inner voice-you mean a back pack* Dummy-Nah!Those Kara Para Ask (ers) *LOL*

Edits--
Vuralester Castle
The most haunted in the USFG. Please visit with medical help.

NeuFGstein Castle
The palace was intended as personal refuge for a princess who was trying to escape from her enemies.
This palace is famous for the windows without panes.*rofl*
It attracts lots of tourists every year. Hmmm
The fairytale "Cinderella" has been inspired by this castle.
*inner voice- oh the Ella who had cinder on her cheeks, just like FG?*
Dummy -Hmm...but i need that pendant from a soap brand.asap

Kerim's Glass Castle
*inner voice - as your referring to Glass house, Lalbagh?*
The bouquet did the havoc.
The guests did the merry.
The family did the slog.
But Kerim was all edgy, irritable and irrational*inner voice - nahi...remember he is victim of PTSD*
*sings -Honthon me aisi bat, Mai dabaake chali aayi, Khul jaaye wohi bat toh, Duhaayi hai duhaayi*
*inner voice -who is the jewel thief?*
Dummy - Nahi!..he is rose thief. *lmao*
Yes its Mustafa who it the bone of contention for Kerim and FG.
Both are correct in their POV.
For reasons unknown..LOL, Dummy thinks Kerim is correct. He is an honorable man.

Take me down to the river bend
Take me down to the fighting end
Wash the poison from off my skin
Show me how to be whole again

Fly me up on a silver wing
Past the black where the sirens sing
Warm me up in a nova's glow
And drop me down to the dream below

'Cause I'm only a crack in this castle of glass
Hardly anything there for you to see
For you to see
- Linkin Park

Dummy loves this song. Listen n enjoy!
Engin as sarcastic, irritated, edgy, angry, insecure person was a treat to watch. Pro-Enginers will shout out for Mustafa Bulut. But Dummy is now contended with Kerim in this mean machine avatar.
Cheers!!

Edited by DefLeppard - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Shanaya
EFfect daily dose

Zaroon learns of Osama's proposal. Kashaf feels its totally insignificant milestone in her life. Hell breaks loose
Kerim learns of namesake Mustafa sending flowers. FG is confident on *her* Mustafa. Hell breaks loose.

I cannot take this anymore
Saying everything I've said before
All these words they make no sense
I find bliss in ignorance
Less I hear the less you'll say
You'll find that out anyway
Just like before...
Everything you say to me
Takes me one step closer to the edge
And I'm about to break
I need a little room to breathe
Cause I'm one step closer to the edge
I'm about to break
- Linkin Park

Oops rare coincidence that Dummy gives a Linkin Park double shot. Enjoy!
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Posted: 9 years ago
I'm seeing loads of New member here. Hein where were you until now? Lol sorry. Hi to all the new members. Meet me I'm Niha. They call me Badi Begum cause I'm Sabse badi biwi oh f Kerim. And I'm hoarder of #shamelessconfessions that go on. Apart from being a a-hole that our Ergo is, he looks Hot in beard. *Holy water anyone? *
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Posted: 9 years ago
Reading all the views here. Thank you all again.

I am going to wait to hear Kerim's father's side of the story before coming to any conclusions. As of now, we don't know why he did what he did. I hope his character will actually appear and not just be in the form of letters. Then he will tell why he went to Australia and then may be Kerim will also learn to forgive.

Mukkades is just incredible. But I think her every wrong step will only make Kerim and FG come closer, and help them, even if she doesn't think that way. She has to find out Salih's true personality, and then she will learn how much better Rahmi is.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Eirene- I absolutely agree with everything you said about FG 👏👏

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I'm really not that keen on watching Kerim turning Sunny Paaji 😆, I mean I understand that he's protective of FG but this jealous rage that he has ever since those roses got delivered is quite visible. FG defending Mustafa, I don't think its because she loves him coz she doesn't anymore, he broke her trust and their love died the very day he left her to her misery.

Kerim getting amped on every bike crossing the street was really irrational. This was the same level of unnecessary as much as Rehmi hitting Salih. And alas! FG was proven right, and she was right all along that these were the doings of Munir/Yasrans and no Musti. Also I do not appreciate Kerim taking a dig at FG "Mustafa ko kuch mat kaho", that was quite low

There's one thing I've always wanted to say about Mustafa/ Kerim/ FG, as much as a douche Musti is now, he was once FGs choice. She did love him and she did dream of a future of them together. Kerim needs to understand her frame of mind. She never asked for her marriage with him, it was forced upon her as much as it was on him. She may not love him anymore and h may not even exist for her, but a part of her will always remember him. Kerim needs to accept this and move on.

Vural's nightmare about FG was quite dreadful and horrific. Kadir did his job well of getting into Vural's head. Kudos to Kadir 👏

Mukaddas is , Oh God! I dont even know what she is anymore, the only other person I've been this speechless about is Mr D!! Bravo Woman! She has no dignity, self respect whatsoever. She is a perfect match for Mustafa. I hope they get married 😆😆

Meltem finally getting divorce . I loved how Ender/Meltem supported FG to Perihan. Ender was so understanding of FGs pain 😊. Now thats how a mother should be like!!

Turaner destroying Yasrans, I know he's a jerk as well but as long as the Yasrans get what they deserve I'm okay with it!!

The precap is wonderful, Vural joining his friends in the "Narak" and rehmi throwing Mukaddas out . I would've loved to watch him throw her out any day but this particular one makes me scared for the case


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Posted: 9 years ago
scary movie Fatmagul s revenge. the most impactful scene of the episode was vural s dream. my god that was really scary, the way fatmagul came and said " lo hum fir aa gye,tum Jahaan bhi jaoge hum tumhare saath hi rahenge" and then strangled vural using her scarf, the very same scarf which they use for muting her voice raping her . kudos to the director, art director, makeup man and finally the actors beren and bugra.
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