Fatmagul Thread # 3 - Page 86

I am loving the angry kerim more than anything, his jealousy his insecurities and his anger is brilliantly portrayed by Engin.he s the perfection.
loved the way he said sarcastically " mustafa ko blame mat Karo ".

Good Morning All. So good to see this thread filling up with different perspectives. 😊

I dont know y but i feel that fg is running bit fast...loads of scenes are cut or edited..the show seema to be on its way to end. It used to run 90 min in turkey with 80 episodes. The way it is here i think zindagi will wind up shortly soon as tyey dont hv sponsors( sum1 mentioned this earlier)

@keenobserver: As far as I know, Zindagi is slicing the original episodes into 45-minute bits for daily telecast, which means that the number of episodes will be nearly double of the original 80. So don't worry about scenes being cut, except of course for the kissing scenes (since we in India don't do such things apparently) 🤔.

On last night's episode:

Firstly, Thanks to everyone for welcoming me to this family. 😃

Originally posted by: Eirene

Just like I love both Kerim and Fatmagul equally, I also respect their individual struggles equally. They both are victims of circumstances with each having gone thru dreadful, horrid times. They both are doing their utmost to cope with the raw deal life has dealt them as best as they can. Hence, whenever I feel either is being judged a bit unfairly, I tend to get a bit protective and feel compelled to explain things from their perspective. I am sure many of us feel that way. It's actually credit to the writers and their brilliant, sensitive, insightful writing that they make us feel and empathise with both the characters equally in such a complex scenario where there are so many things that can't be seen either as black or white and are mostly cloaked in shades of grey

As @DefLeppard said - key here is our balancing or our having a balanced perspective to understand the intricacies of characters and the complex situations they are mired in :))

@Eirene: I totally agree with your post. Both these characters have their own perspective and in my opinion, neither of them is wrong.

Fatmagul trying to make Kerim give a second chance to his father is a good effort. But the situations are different. In Fatmagul's case, at least she now knows that Kerim wasn't entirely at fault. And Kerim has also been trying to make efforts to overcome his guilt and make her life better. He has always accepted what he did in the past and is always ready to do anything for her forgiveness and happiness.

On the other hand, Kerim's father never tried to apologize to him personally. Writing an apology letter is a one-sided thing. In complex matters, it is always best to have a two way conversation because it gives each person a chance to explain their situation better. His father never came to him when Kerim was still a child. He should have been there when Kerim needed him the most.
I can't say at the moment what made his father hold back at that time, but seeing his mother committing suicide because of his father has deeply wounded Kerim's mind and heart which cannot heal just like that.

In addition, Mustafa trying to "steal his girl" is making Kerim's life even more complicated. Kerim treasures the moment when Fatma stopped him from pulling the trigger in Izmir by giving him his "pyaar ki kasam". And now Fatma's assertion that Mustafa is not involved in the bouquet and house-breaking incidents, is making Kerim super-jealous. His actions and reactions are completely justified. He loves Fatmagul and is protective of her. Hence, he doesn't want Mustafa or anyone to create a rift between them but these incidents have just done that further fueling Kerim's already agitated mind.

Now that it's out in the open that it was Selih's wife and not Mustafa who broke the house, Kerim will be at peace. It will be interesting to watch Kerim's apology to Fatmagul.

By the way, I loved Kerim's angry young man avatar. He looks so dashing making sarcastic remarks and giving expressions of jealousy and anger. ⭐️

Originally posted by: blyton

On last night's episode:

The Kerim-Fatmagul relationship seems to be forever in a blow hot-blow cold zone. 😭 Sometimes FG is upset with Kerim and sometimes Kerim is upset with FG. The song "Pyaar ke liye chaar pal kum nahi the...kabhi tum nahi they kabhi hum nahi the" is perfect for them.

I may disagree with the prevalent opinion here by feeling that Kerim's jealousy and insecurity were very understandable. Even though FG's words (as much as weren't mangled in translation) were bold and reasonable, her manner seemed aloof. Kerim is in a vulnerable stage where the only person in his life whose love he can unconditionally count on is his mother. No one else--not his father, and not the rest of the family. And the other person, who is the love of his life, is still in a state of indecision about him (we as viewers are aware of this through her scenes with her therapist). Added to this are the constant external threats to their peace.

Moreover, FG's defence of Mustafa seems exaggerated. She said he had appeared before her earlier, but done nothing to harm her??? What about the forced kiss which made her throw up in his face? How can she be so sure he won't do something even worse in the future? In fact, the new promo shows that her faith in him is completely misplaced.👎🏼

Note to self: Stop drooling shamelessly over Engin's Angry Young Man avatar. 😛😳

The zombie vision of FG was downright spooky. How I wish all rapists were haunted by such visions of their victims.

On a lighter note, the dubbing is bang-on at times. "Bandh kar apni lawyergiri" and "Saala Chooza"!!😆

Muqaddas again surprised me with her human side, when she warned the neighbourhood kids to be careful of the broken glass.

I liked how Risat tried to show he was doing some ehsaan on everybody for paying them to carry out his dirty work, and how Semsi threw it right back by talking about his counter-ehsaan of tolerating Munir. 😎

Tomorrow's preview looks fantastic! Can't wait to see Rehmi throw Muqaddas out and Risat going bankrupt!

Hahaha... your post echoes all my thoughts about the dubbing and the makeup. Fatma definitely looked scary (like a zombie as u said) and the make-up was perfect. In fact, the makeup has always been really good in this show. Every wound, scar, dark circles look so real. I have always loved the dialogues and dubbing in Hindi. I think those words match the taste of Indian audiences. One doesn't feel like watching a foreign show.

What you said about Kerim being vulnerable and Fatma's indecisiveness is bang on!
It is obvious that any loving husband cannot bear his wife taking his rival's side with such surety.

I had never thought Rahmi could ever literally throw Muqaddes out of the house. 👏 I am so surprised by the preview. But she deserves this. And Risat going bankrupt will make Perihaan become mad. Ise kehte hain "Kar bura to ho bura".


Could it be that Mustafa coming to know about Salih Mecanli has anything to do with the court case? Lagta to hai.

@Dloves @Blyton @Mitali and so many others - I agree with you all that Kerim's reaction to Fatma's defending of Mustafa was understandable. I too feel Fatma's defense of Mustafa was quite exaggerated and didnt seem justified or even realistic given all that he had done against both of them.

@Blyton Bang on...agree with u abt FG defence of Mustafa was exaggerated. Not only he forcefully kissed her but also he did shoot Kerim too.