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Posted: 9 years ago
Hello Ladies! 🤗 Sorry joining in a bit late for discussion.😳
Hiroo, love ur alternative POV, and that's understandable! ⭐️❤️

My Take : (Sorry For My Rant! 😆😆)

Ehteshaam - I wouldn't say that he doesn't has his faults, he does and every single being has.
His Breaking off his engagement with Sania isn't something that I approve of but then the situations were very clear. His father had just died and he did it under his mother's pressure. And lets face it, many males and females have done it sometimes in their lives. Couldn't speak up due to parental pressure and then when they feel suffocated they break it off. I've seen so many cases like these around me.
Then his behavior towards Sehrish, I'm not an anti feminist or stuff but trust me, women get worse than chudails when they get down to the extent of proving something right. I've myself seen it and Sehrish was completely that. How is a man supposed to deal with a woman who is not ready to listen to a word he says?
He tried making her secure in his love so many times yet she had this insecurity. She was letting her ears be poisoned by Maham and believe only what she wanted too. And after 7 years, I don't think Sehrish needs any conformation of his love, he broke off his engagement to be with her. And Trust Me, If I had been Ehteshaam I too wouldn't have provided any explanations to such stupidity. And Why Should He? Sehrish should have that confidence on her that he loved her and married her. As Sania said : "Khud pe bharosa Karo!"
Then her thinking it can be cuz she was childless, She had been wanting a baby for 7 long years then Ehteshaam hadn't been flirting around with girls and that too he might have many beautiful women around her. Then why now? Why with Sania? Just cuz she was his ex fiance.


Sehrish : I wasn't a fan of her since day 1. Being Childish, Impulsive, Upbeat and other things is OK. But being these to such a level that you destroy someone's life isn't.
Firstly, She herself confessed that she created a hungama on Ehteshaam's engagement which wasn't advisable. I agree you love the man, but for once think about the girl on whom you're breaking this bijli.
Then, no matter how much self righteous you are its none of ur business to storm into someone's house and interfere in someone's life. I didn't like what she did to Sania's MIL though I detest that lady.
Plus, I didn't like how she turned ballistic when she got to know about Sania. Everyone has a past and what she needed was sit and talk it out rather than putting all false and disgusting accusations on him. She should have believed him! What is love when you don't trust a man you love that too for 7 long year.
Then go so nuts as to destroy someone's life to hell and then pray that Ehteshaam should forgive her?

That's not done and somehow I don't like such women.
What Ehteshaam did was wrong, but what Sehrish did was unforgivable. And not to mention, she destroyed her life herself.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: .Enchantress.

Hello Ladies! 🤗 Sorry joining in a bit late for discussion.😳

Hiroo, love ur alternative POV, and that's understandable! ⭐️❤️

My Take : (Sorry For My Rant! 😆😆)

Ehteshaam - I wouldn't say that he doesn't has his faults, he does and every single being has.
His Breaking off his engagement with Sania isn't something that I approve of but then the situations were very clear. His father had just died and he did it under his mother's pressure. And lets face it, many males and females have done it sometimes in their lives. Couldn't speak up due to parental pressure and then when they feel suffocated they break it off. I've seen so many cases like these around me.
Then his behavior towards Sehrish, I'm not an anti feminist or stuff but trust me, women get worse than chudails when they get down to the extent of proving something right. I've myself seen it and Sehrish was completely that. How is a man supposed to deal with a woman who is not ready to listen to a word he says?
He tried making her secure in his love so many times yet she had this insecurity. She was letting her ears be poisoned by Maham and believe only what she wanted too. And after 7 years, I don't think Sehrish needs any conformation of his love, he broke off his engagement to be with her. And Trust Me, If I had been Ehteshaam I too wouldn't have provided any explanations to such stupidity. And Why Should He? Sehrish should have that confidence on her that he loved her and married her. As Sania said : "Khud pe bharosa Karo!"
Then her thinking it can be cuz she was childless, She had been wanting a baby for 7 long years then Ehteshaam hadn't been flirting around with girls and that too he might have many beautiful women around her. Then why now? Why with Sania? Just cuz she was his ex fiance.


Sehrish : I wasn't a fan of her since day 1. Being Childish, Impulsive, Upbeat and other things is OK. But being these to such a level that you destroy someone's life isn't.
Firstly, She herself confessed that she created a hungama on Ehteshaam's engagement which wasn't advisable. I agree you love the man, but for once think about the girl on whom you're breaking this bijli.
Then, no matter how much self righteous you are its none of ur business to storm into someone's house and interfere in someone's life. I didn't like what she did to Sania's MIL though I detest that lady.
Plus, I didn't like how she turned ballistic when she got to know about Sania. Everyone has a past and what she needed was sit and talk it out rather than putting all false and disgusting accusations on him. She should have believed him! What is love when you don't trust a man you love that too for 7 long year.
Then go so nuts as to destroy someone's life to hell and then pray that Ehteshaam should forgive her?

That's not done and somehow I don't like such women.
What Ehteshaam did was wrong, but what Sehrish did was unforgivable. And not to mention, she destroyed her life herself.



I completely agree with this one, and I've bold-marked the points which are exactly my POV. 😳

I even once wrote in a comment that Ehtisham's only fault was that he shared a secret with Atif and NOT to his wife, and then even told him that this should not be known to Sehrish, after which happens the exact opposite. He should have instead told about his engagement with Sania to Sehrish first. The same thing happened when he was supposed to go to the doctor with Sehrish, and even then he wanted to trust Atif.

And not only Sehrish comes to know of the engagement through Maham, but also Maham fills her ears against Sania by telling her how Ehtisham gives importance to her in office, hangs out with her, and instigates her mind to tell everything to Ali. Now when Maham and Atif have stopped helping her, then instead of realizing what she has actually done, she's going on to become a character whom I can't even think to sympathize with.

Had Sehrish not been so impulsive, she would have thought atleast once about all this with a calm and relaxed mind, instead of developing this 'Shukk' in her mind.

In the initial episodes, she once discussed with Sania how she got Ehtisham's engagement broken with a girl and then says something like "At times I feel that the girl with whom I got his engagement broken has cursed me, and so I cannot have babies..." And now all your empathy has gone away! I thought she might have been sorry for 'that' girl but her child-like attitude doesn't allows her to think or deal with anything calmly.


@Bold & Red- That was too childish of Sehrish to think. It's just like a teenager who performs badly in an exam and even after knowing that he prays to get good scores and his parents not to shout at him. Sorry this is a very childish example but kya karein, Sehrish ke case mein mujhe yehi example sahi laga. 😳

@Bold & Blue- Nothing can be said better than this. 👍🏼 I find your comments and POVs very similar to mine so it becomes easy for me since I don't need to type more! :P 😉😆
Edited by whiterose29 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Today's Episode was again bittersweet in some extent.. An aftermath in the lives of the people destroyed by Sehrish's Shukk.
Firstly, I love how Rumi talks..❤️ How he called up Ehteshaam and told him about Sania's headache and his school uniform.
And I love how doting Ehteshaam is, He himself took little Rumi for shopping even had ice cream with him. Love Their Cute Moments together..😳😳 they really bond beautifully. And Sania's blastoff at Ehteshaam..😆😆 Ouch! I really felt bad for him! But then, any mother would have behaved the way she did. But I loved how Rumi ran up and brought the chit from him.😆😆

Sehrish.. I can't understand what she wants?! Firstly, she went up to Sania's place and blasted off at her and then again created a scene when Ehteshaam returns. I can't help but pull my hair when Ehteshaam tells her that Sania insults him and instead of understanding, she again goes her same old story..
I honestly didn't even feel for Sehrish when she left But I felt how Ehteshaam ran back to stop Sehrish. He really does love her. And then again her illogical logic for Ehteshaam. She's really messed up.


Rumi and his undying love for Ehteshaam..❤️ No matter how much Sania tries to white him out, this little soul clings onto him.
Also loved Sania Ehteshaam's phone convo. Very Cute! 😳
Ehteshaam : Meri itni beizatti kabhi nahi hui..!!
Sania : jab aap unke peeche lagte the, tab bhi nahi?? 😆😆😆
Ehteshaam : Ouch! 😆😆

And Ehteshaam raised the point which I mentioned in my post today.. He and Sehrish weren't there for just a day or two, but 7 long years and even after all this time, she needs an affirmation?
If this be it, then Sehrish should also do that. Ehteshaam was spot on when he said, She should trust him.

Sania's Cousins are witches seriously!! 😡😡 It was literally moronic to throw Sania's things out only cuz Ehteshaam gave a proper reply. But It was very very very Sweet of Shaam to bring Sania to his house and himself shifting somewhere else..😳😳
But to mention, although I love Sania but I somewhere didn't feel it was right of her to stay in Ehteshaam's house cuz it isn't right.
But then, where would she go?

I love Rumi's advancement of Ehteshaam from Shaam Uncle to Baba..😳 Let's See where this heads to.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@whiterose Thank You For Liking My Opinions. _/\_ Sorry I Don't know your name, but you got my name right!😳😳
Actually I'm not a hard core Feminist and support women only and when required.😆😆 I specifically don't support them when they are themselves responsible for their deeds be it real or fiction.
Not only Sehrish, I didn't like Sania's move too when she moved into Ehteshaam's house.
Then, also when it came to my most favorite female character, Kashaf I too didn't support her at many places.😊


I always don't believe that a woman has to be right every single time, a man can be right too.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Could not watch last night's epi as was out, but from what I do recall, again a very precise epi.
OK before going into the epi, there's one thing I want to mention and that is there's an ambiguity regarding Sania's mother. I mean I know they show her living in Aus, but it's never clear who she is staying with. Sometimes it's mentioned as staying with Sania's brother, though again the brother has never been mentioned prominently and sometimes with a sister (I mean the mother's sister). So they never were clear about this and I mention this coz there'll be quite a few reference to and phone convos too of Sania's mom.😕.

So finally Sania gets thrown out of her cousin's house (again once they r mentioned as children of Sania's father's friend and not cousins😆) and Ehteshaam comes to her rescue. Guess there were not much choice and hence Shaam brought her to his place. Again here inconsistency crops up, coz if not a hotel, I am sure there must be ladies hostels where Sania could have gone, though I have no idea about how things r in Pak, Anyways I guess Sania staying at Shaam's place was to take the story forward.😉

Must say they pack a lot in one episode. There is so much happening in one epi, but at the same time they have shown a gradual build up of the next track that follows. I like the flow and tongiht's epi is gonna be another happening one.😆
Edited by khamosshhh - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Thanks Munira and Shano <3 maybe Im coming across as devil's advocate. but thats not the idea..not really justifying her actions, just trying to find a reason for what lead to such a big showdown..
and on that point Munira, while I agree that a contrast between treatment of Sanias and Sehrishs of the world is in tune with reality..= breaking it down to trade off between intelligent vs popular..mostly all the shows, end up villifying the modern, headstrong, open minded women - they are 9/10 times evil (?)..something thats a common factor in both Indian and Pak shows (Asmara and Sara), IDK, if you guys have watched Jassi, I loved Mallika's character there😆 its almost as if its criminal to be popular and a heartthrob as a woman..coz hey she is a bad BAD girl!🤔 m all in for underdog winning the race..quietly..but oh well, its generally done by villainizing the other character..in contrast to that,

that also brings me to Daam, where I did not sympathize with Fiza at all, because she was a terrible person by nature, not by virtue of twists..she was just a bad person through and through..and Ive probably seen such whiny characters in real life, who just arent happy even if they get the world..and are all me, myself..that really wasnt the case with Sehrish when Shukk began..

as for the show..sofar it has moved ahead very convincingly..and at this point, I wish Ehteshaam had divorced Sehrish,

however, once the new chapter begins, all the real issues I have with this show, will come in..as a foreword, it ended up giving a message of somethings just being destined to happen..sooner or later..
Edited by -FreeLancer- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
@-FreeLancer- It was actually a good point you figured out here, atleast I got my mind working apart from shipping Ehtisham-Sania 😆 Just kidding, but I found your fact valid. 😳

Now coming to the episode, I caught up with the repeat telecast in the morning, and I'll call it a cute episode since it had some Sania-Ehtisham and Rumi-Ehtisham moments. A child needs nothing but love and a few words spoken softly. That's exactly what Ehtisham did and now Rumi is too attached to him. Not only he has started enjoying being with him, but he also decided to call him baba', which takes Sania by shock. I actually loved how Ehtisham hangs out with the child, and he also takes him in arms while crossing the road, which was super-cute <3 When he with Rumi, it must be a happy moment for him to spend amongst all the issues and tension going on. Also, Rumi feels closeness to him so he doesn't even hesitate to call Ehtisham for help, and it was so adorable when he replied to Ehtisham about not having uniform on the first day of school "Mama kehti hain kabhi kabhi aisa ho jaata hai it's okay." I seriously want to pull out this child from my TV screen and hug him! 😳

Sehrish decides to leave home because both she and Ehtisham need to think' about the matter. See, this is where I dislike this lady. Instead of trying to understand things, she's making the matter even worse and then keeps sympathizing with herself that her husband is having an affair with his ex-fiance. Sehrish needs to understand that if she's staying at her mother's place, then instead of expecting Ehtisham to realize his mistake and come to apologize to her, she should think about the whole scenario with a cool mind. Poor guy even ran after her to stop her, even after so much happened between them, this is nothing but love. He loved Sehrish, he loves Sehrish, but only because of her unnecessary doubts, that love is lost somewhere. 😕

I can't just understand what's the issue with Sania's cousins? Ehtisham gave them a good reply that if Sania is paying the rent on time and hasn't even exceeded the limit of days till she asked to stay there, then why can't they just shut their mouth? And on top of that they threw out Sania's belongings so harshly, did not even open the gate for her... They probably don't know about a quality called humanity'. :/ Sach hi kehte hain, ek mushkil aati hai toh har taraf se hi museebat aa jaati hai. Ehtisham takes her to his home, and Rumi is elated to know that they'll be staying there. Well, couldn't he arrange for her to stay in a hotel? 😕

And I'm a little taken aback by the precap. :/ How can Ehtisham marry Sania without informing Sehrish? 🤔 Anyway, that's something to discuss about after watching the episode. 😛

P.S- I too have this doubt regarding Sania's mother. Moreover, why doesn't Sania tells about the divorce to her?
Edited by whiterose29 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: .Enchantress.

@whiterose Thank You For Liking My Opinions. _/\_ Sorry I Don't know your name, but you got my name right!😳😳

Actually I'm not a hard core Feminist and support women only and when required.😆😆 I specifically don't support them when they are themselves responsible for their deeds be it real or fiction.
Not only Sehrish, I didn't like Sania's move too when she moved into Ehteshaam's house.
Then, also when it came to my most favorite female character, Kashaf I too didn't support her at many places.😊


I always don't believe that a woman has to be right every single time, a man can be right too.



I'm Aashi :)

And same is the case with me, I'm not a feminist and even though I love the character of Kashaf, there were numerous times when I didn't support her at all, and now like you mentioned, I didn't understand why Sania moves in with Ehtisham. It could have been better if he arranged a hotel or something for her instead of keeping her at his place and that too in Sehrish's absence. That will fuel Seher's mind again.

Its just that I love Sanam Saeed a lot and the childish part of my mind finds reasons to support her characters on-screen even after some flaws. 😆
Edited by whiterose29 - 9 years ago
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Hi Aashi. 😊 Its nice to have someone of my thoughts.⭐️
That's what I and My mother too pointed out last night. Instead of keeping her in his house, Ehteshaam should have kept her in any other place. Be it another rent house or like a ladies hostel as Munira Di mentioned. I mean, its not appropriate and in a way they both are proving the truth indirectly. Also, Sania is shown to be such a self respecting women then she should have been the first to reject this idea though she feels guilty.

The same with me. I love Sanama so much that I even supported her evil actions as Minah! 😆😆😳


Hiroo that's again a very valid point! 🤗 and in that case, I would also like to mention that in Humsafar too Sara was shown to be spunky, beautiful, upbeat and heartthrob but then they degraded their character to a psychotic woman. Same is with Sehrish, we don't hate her but her idiocy, impulsiveness and childishness is too much to handle.
Then again in Daam, I didn't feel bad for either of the 3 ladies be it Fiza, Maliha or even Zara. Cuz Zara was idiot enough to decide for herself and Junaid instead of telling the truth to him about Maliha. That's the same thing Junaid mentioned in the episode too, that she should have atleast trusted him and told him.

My heart only felt bad for Junaid who suffered at the hands of 3 women and lastly had his only daughter to lead a good life ahead.


Then as in ZGH, Asmara And Sara were sure popular but they were too headstrong to admit their own mistakes and suffered later. Being Liberal up to a limit is good but after that it becomes dangerous for a woman too.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: -FreeLancer-

Thanks Munira and Shano <3 maybe Im coming across as devil's advocate. but thats not the idea..not really justifying her actions, just trying to find a reason for what lead to such a big showdown..

and on that point Munira, while I agree that a contrast between treatment of Sanias and Sehrishs of the world is in tune with reality..= breaking it down to trade off between intelligent vs popular..mostly all the shows, end up villifying the modern, headstrong, open minded women - they are 9/10 times evil (?)..something thats a common factor in both Indian and Pak shows (Asmara and Sara), IDK, if you guys have watched Jassi, I loved Mallika's character there😆 its almost as if its criminal to be popular and a heartthrob as a woman..coz hey she is a bad BAD girl!🤔 m all in for underdog winning the race..quietly..but oh well, its generally done by villainizing the other character..in contrast to that,

that also brings me to Daam, where I did not sympathize with Fiza at all, because she was a terrible person by nature, not by virtue of twists..she was just a bad person through and through..and Ive probably seen such whiny characters in real life, who just arent happy even if they get the world..and are all me, myself..that really wasnt the case with Sehrish when Shukk began..

as for the show..sofar it has moved ahead very convincingly..and at this point, I wish Ehteshaam had divorced Sehrish,

however, once the new chapter begins, all the real issues I have with this show, will come in..as a foreword, it ended up giving a message of somethings just being destined to happen..sooner or later..


I get what u mean by saying the modern, headstrong, open minded women end up getting vilified and totally agree with u on Fiza and u comparison with Sherish where Sherish isn't bad, whereas Fiza was wicked.

One thing I don't get is this black-and white classification of traditional and modern women in dramas and guess that is why Kashaf is my favourite female protagonist coz she's shown neither or we can say she's shown both. If we perceive her as traditional, then at least she's one protagonist who being traditional is shown as a career woman with a mind very much of her own and not scared to voice her opinions strongly, whether it's to Zaroon, her mom and sisters or to her father. And if u perceive her as modern then knows her limits (that she has set for herself according to her environments and her upbringing) and has a balanced view on the role of husband and wife in a marriage. 😳

Now coming to Sania and Sherish, I wouldn't classify one as modern and the other as traditional. All said and done, they do seem to have come from a similar background.The difference between them lies in their nature, more than anything else. And their nature gets further defined by the kind of husband and in-laws both end up getting.

As I have said that Ehteshaam is my fav character as I do have issues with both Sherish and Sania's character. With Sherish's character I have already stated. And with Sania, I haven't as the part hasn't be shown yet. Many perceive Sania as docile,but I don't see it that way. I find she has an inner strength and she stands up for what she believes in strongly, but, though not living a blissful life was accepting about her lot in life. And that's not necessarily bad.

No didn't watch Jassi and no being popular and a heartthrob isn't a BAD thing, but being unreasonably immature and insecure is! Ehteshaam hasn't become against her for her out going nature, but coz of her Shukk and her impulsiveness that ended up destroying Sania's house and her refusal to accept her husband's truth. Ehteshaam towards the end did put this contrast between Sania and Sherish pretty well, but I better zip up now.😆





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