Jodha Akbar discussion corner! - Page 15

Shyamala no need to say how wonderful you have been...About Jallu and that pretty woman scene , I liked one thing..Jallu did not force himself on that woman, which he could easily have, not even for pride's sake..This also shows that somewhere deep in him a gentleman exists..who has not yet fully raised his head...

PS :

Originally posted by: devkidmd

Sandhya,

The thing is when the temple incident was told to Jalal by the sipahi, the seriousness did not resonate with him. He actually got the severity of the situation when he heard it from the victim herself. is it not that way so many times?

He was told about the looting on the fly and at the same time the beauty and bravery of the Ameri princess was being described. For a hot blooded young man guess which report stayed and which was promptly shoved to the back of his sharp brain?

The incident with Atga: I do not consider this a blooper at all. Think about it, Jalal is a young king who has truly started ruling his kingdom just a few months ago. Till then he was just a nominal head, no control over anything. He is still learning, stumbling.

Yes, he was told about the temple incident but so casually while he was right in the middle of the sword practice but that does not mean that he knows that these kinds of things are done routinely by his soldiers under his name. He is slowly discovering things that he had no clue about till BK was alive.

He now understands why the very people he has set out to rule have so much hatred for him. and that's why the concern I think.

And the "pretend serious" was just tongue in cheek. I do not question Jalal's genuineness in the temple at all.

Devki

👏👏👏

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jodha Akbar 3: Cynicism abounding

Folks,

Registan ka gulab: First, there is Jalal, knocking a good seven soldiers flat as usual during hisjungi riyaaz (in the brown outfit that we came to know so well), lending half an ear to the babblings of the Jodha ka diwaana. This last was bizarre, for no common sipahi in the Mughal forces would have dared to unload such stuff on the Shahenshah if he valued his sar.

For once, I wanted Khan Baba to fulfil his whim on this nutcase.😆

The expression on Jalal's face as he slowly repeats the name that Abdul has just spoken, Jodhaa... , is amazingly evocative, as is his voice. It is as if he was rolling a particularly delicious sweet on his tongue, savouring the pleasure of things unknown.

So many Jodha s in these initial without the annoying suffix...😳

Scheme of last resort: Also over the portly Bharmal's discussion, with his sons and nephew, about how to tackle the danger that now lies at the door of Amer. He is clearly besides himself with fear - the good old khauf-e-Jalal at work - and his plan of action has only one merit, that it is the scheme of last resort.

Yet you must give it to this man for his pretense bravery and 'keele vizhundhalum mann ottavillai' attitude...😡...even in Epi:31 he says Maa Bhavani jaanti hai ki whatever he is doing (selling his girl) is not an act of cowardice but mahaanta for the welfare of his praja.

Seeing the rampant disunity that pervaded among the Rajput royalty, how Bharmal expects that a few marriages with his daughters - and he does not even have enough of them to make an impact, as there are only three!😉- will set things right and produce unity against the Mughals in a miraculous fashion boggles the mind. It is in fact far more likely to lead to more squabbling and drawing of swords about which princes are to be allied to Jodha and her two sisters!

🤣

May be he will open a matrimony office and fix up other intra Rajput alliances and make everyone a samdhi of someone else and then ofcourse declare that his Ambe Maa knows that his action is one of extreme greatness and cleverness.

The only merit of this sequence is that it fits in with my theme for this post. Bharmal does not eventhink of fighting on his own, and is instead focussing on how to get others to pull his chestnuts out of the fire, and he does not hesitate to use his daughters as bargaining chips.

His idol must have been Yudhishtra from Mahabharata - only thing is that he will follow his idol only on one score. As for Dharma-nishtatha, no way. Like Drithrashtra, he will want to make his own son as the next king though he himself was only a caretaker king. Yet will pretend putra sneh with his nephew.😡

Ek bar kisise uski kamzori ko cheen liya jaye: Of the two scenes that lit up this episode and made me choose this title, this one, between Bairam Khan and a devoted servitor of his, was in fact the more brutally cynical and the more chilling. Kyonki dushman se dimaagi khel khelna to phir bhi laazmi haim, par apnon se nahin.

Exactly. That is what makes BK a tryant...he belongs to the next level in Voldemort genre. While the Dark Lord cared for none, BK had a soft corner for Salima and his protege.

Dimaagi taaqat ki hadein: Yes, this is a dimaagi taaqat, but what Bairam Khan does not know, and thus cannot teach his pupil, is that when a man is desperate enough, snatching hiskamzori from him might not result in slavish obedience out of fear, but in open and murderous rebellion.

The contrast between Bairam Khan's ruthlessly cynical, and eventually faulty doctrine, and Akbar's single-minded devotion to the welfare of his awaam could not be sharper. Which is why Akbar was Akbar, whereas Bairam Khan was only a footnote to history.

👏👏

Jalal was very acomodating for those whom he cared for and loyal to those who cared for him. He could appreciate intelligence and loyalty. Had BK's friend (if there was one) spoke to him the way Abdul did today, his head might have rolled. But Jalal appreciated those who had the guts to speak the plain truth. Howmuchever BK tried to make Jalal his carboncopy, Jalal's originality always stayed with him and it was that which made him Akbar.⭐️

Firstly, it was a kind of power-point display of acting by Rajat, as he forces the husband, at knife point, to abandon his wife to her fate in order to save his own skin. The eyes look, not angry, not even threatening, but coldly calculating. Their focus is eagle-eyed as Jalal seeks to assess: At which point will this man break? And break he does, as Jalal laughs his mirthless laugh of triumphant certitude, and Bairam Khan applauds him for a lesson well learnt on how to subjugate the Rajput enemy by breaking, not him but his pride.

Perfect analysis aunty. You have put in words what was in Rajat's eyes.

The bitterness of the soul: But secondly, and far more interesting, it is a cri de coeur ( cry from the supposedly non-existent heart) of Jalal against the very concept of mohabbat, which drives him to exasperated rage. This stands out in his angry words: Gair zaroori mohabbat ki khatir kitna kuch.. Samajh nahin aata ki mohabbat tumhari zindagi par raaj kaise karti hai?...and he kicks the man to the ground in ferocious contempt.

He wants to demean the very idea of mohabbat, whence his sneering comments to the woman as he tells her to go back apne pati ke pas ( not shauhar?), ek aisa insaan jo tumhari izzat bachane ka jigar bhi nahin rakta... Then the frightening transit of the knife point, with slow deliberation, from her wrist to her maang.. as he speaks of what really riles him.. Aur sochte rehna.. jis mohabbat se tum donon jude huye ho, asal mein us jazbat ki keemat kya hai? As far as the cowardly husband was concerned, nothing. And this is reflected in the tragic desolation in the eyes of the wife.

Agree with Devki's concept of 'grapes are sour' here.😆

Shyamala/Aunty/Akka/Di

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

I don't question Jalal's genuieness in the temple at all. His sincerity at the temple made for one of the hallmark episodes of JA. When he heard the victim's version, he would have realised the full impact of it. And he decides to make amends. That much is acceptable.

But in the convo that followed with Atgah, he says - 'Inspite of such pucca arrangements and able wazirs, why he doesn't get the correct news. Why information is twisted before it reaches him.'

But in reality the mandir loot incident that he learnt in the Kali Mandir was reported without any twists as it was. It doesn't fit his character not to take responsibility for something that he knew was wrong on his part.

I would have preferred had he told Atgah, that he has realised how his victims feel and that he has decided to introduce a code of conduct in his army. His change of heart would have been touching there.

OR

It should have been as though there was a misinformation. Like the soldiers reporting a skirmish with the Amer sena ki tukdi NEAR the mandir, keeping the loot part from him.

These as such episode 3 and 88 don't co-relate.

Links for epi:88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNAXYNWd6nM

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Lovely writing Aunty🤗

Please watch Ashoka on colors.

I remember you criticizing SRK's movie on the emperor in one off your posts and mentioning someone would later come up with a worse movie on Ashoka 😆