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Posted: 6 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: iamthat2019

You are so right.Abir is asking Mishti to be prepared for the worst as he's so sure that kunal is incapable of behaving himself.This is the only part in his journey so far that I do not agree with him.Also if he's not certain of what Mishti might have to put up in Rv house then he rather call it off now rather than letting this poor girl suffer.A manipulative and abusive family can really wreak havoc later.

As a mishbir shipper I will never wish any one of them to give up 😅😅 , but abir should be prepared to take a tough stand, if mishti's insult happens then abir should leave rv with mishti, jab tak sabko apni galti realize nahi ho jaati😤

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Posted: 6 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: iamthat2019

Dear makers

I don't agree with your portrayal and treatment to women in this show. the way women are projected in this show ,it makes me think whether the only thing they do it scheming and plotting and are definitely oblivious to the world around them. Agreed you definitely are targeting a certain sect of audience but I'm Sure you haven't done your study regarding your target profile. Why are you hellbent on only defining them as either hapless or downright wicked.I don't even want that preach on how evolved women can be,how well they can nurture relationships which is something that comes so naturally to them.In the entire show there is not even a single portrayal of any worth mentioning character. There is either a overtly dominating character like bb or insipid sides like Varsha or Jasmeet. Is this what we are reduced to ?Are they trying to project that we are only capable of dishing out this nonsense in terms of insecurities,jealousy or subservience.Are we not capable of achieving anything on our own.Im afraid I do not agree with this..In the parent show bp's mother was shown to be a very sorted individual,who dealt with every situation in a very matured manner.She never faltered on even a single occasion and this resulted in Bm and akshara becoming loving and compassionate.

We as women have always handled any adversity with a lot of grace and patience and I cannot accept some story teller just languishing our portrayal for the sake of some numbers.This is the reason why Kunal gets away with physically man handling Mishti and here Abir is trying to pacify him with some cooking and a bike gift....seriously...Is this the value of a female honour. Mishti was extremely magnanimous by not reacting there because it was in front of a lot of people. Im sorry Abir but you seriously disappointed me.Just by reacting in a spur of the moment will not correct the blunder that Kunal has committed.By even deciding to even talk with him and not showing your disapproval,you are again encouraging him to repeat the same thing again.Are you not encouraging him, maybe even indirectly ,to become what he is today.Upholding the honour of a woman is different than loving her.Are you not being downright selfish by buying peace at the cost of correcting Kunal's character.Actually then don't blame him tomorrow as he has been brought up women who don't deserve to be mothers.

Ps ... My dear Mishti please remember that your honour is above everything else and don't let anyone dethrone you from a pedestal you are on

You know I was so disappointed with this episode that day. I was baffled at how easily Kunal got away with it and even more shocked to realize Abir would not get that apology from him.

I didn't want to be that one person in the forum who continuously creates posts that reflect negatively on the makers and their obvious insensitive treatment of topics as serious as self-respect or mental health. I couldn't stop myself from replying to people's post celebrating that particular episode but I stopped myself thinking I would rather not create yet another 'negative' post in the forum but I am so incredibly glad and proud that someone else did it. Kudos to you. You've given me hope now. The fact that I wasn't the only one who was left completely crushed by that particular episode and Abir's 'thanda' reaction to Mishti's disrespect.

I can't believe they are still making him apologize to Kunal when he should be the one person who puts some sense into his clearly brat of a brother. But then again, these are the same makers who didn't bat an eye to wrap the whole 'Janmashtami' incident into a stupid joke in order to portray that another spoiled brat did have a conscience no matter how skewed it was. Even if it took almost murdering her own sister for her to recognize it.😵

I have absolutely no hope for their 'correct' treatment of any serious issue anymore. Instead they give us ' superhero swimming' skills in the name of empowerment.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamthat2019

I agree with you Zara but it's not about the perception people have in the Rv household about kunal or how that family handles relationships but my problem is with the magnitude of insensitivity shown by people for this girl .It just goes to prove that these women can only manipulate,cheat ,lie and deceive.The quotient of conscience is completely absent.I'm surprised how these women cease to be human.So why can't the humane side ,the achiever side or the compassionate side to a woman be portrayed.This is a character sketch of a gender I do not agree to at all.

I totally agree with you on this .. You know recently I watched a series “ Mission Over Mars” and there was a wonderful dialogue in it, that a woman can be anything scientists, engineers, sexist .. And they successfully portrayed it as well.. The mission director Nandita was a great team leader, a brilliant scientist but a control freak mother. Similarly, Moshmi was a very ambitious ambitious scientist, but not so good as a team leader and a difficult colleague.. But nowhere did I see that in the narrative showed the problematic traits of these woman, not been called off or their achievements being downplayed.. Basically what I am trying to say is, that women were shown as human beings, the actual grey characters. They had their strengths, their weaknesses, their differences but above everything was their mission and passion to conduct a successful mission.. They had multiple character traits in them, some were good, some were bad but none was unrealistic..

Problem over here is that the characters they are trying to pass on as grey are actually not grey. They are demeaning, they are heartless and they are irrational. Kuhu has off late started to show some kind of reasoning nowadays, but God knows for how long it will be there. Being the adopted child she herself is, almost zero to nil reasoning has been shown as to why she despises Mishti so much. What has she actually lost to Mishti. What has Mishti taken away from her Love? Comfort? Education? Fair enough, at times even Mishti has done questionable things to her, but were they such big issues that it was impossible to deal with a conversation.

Coming to Jasmeet, I don’t know if I will ever be able to wrap my head around what she speaks, why she speaks. I mean the most senseless of all the characters ..

Varsha, now I really don’t know what Kuhu told her today. But even if she told her half truth, isn’t it her responsibility to at least once talk to Kunal about how he is treating her child. I mean just for once hold Kunal accountable, before thinking or getting manipulated over trying to contain Mishti..

I mean the heights these they will go to impress Kunal is truly appalling... They won’t even unite and question Kunal for their own good. Yeh aapke grey characters hain.. these are totally dumb characters living in somewhat perhaps ancient era, wearing modern clothes and having some parties but the mindset is still the old one... Samaj, damad , ladki ka sasural is everything..

Even Mishti, I mean I don’t know if working in an NGO is a permanent job that is fetching her some financial independence or it’s just a help that she is offering to a dear friend. If she is also not thinking about her career seriously, she too is doing grave injustice to herself .. Meenu is feeling tired and expects Abir to take up his responsibilities, but aren’t Vishambhar and Shaurya are also getting older.. Why are they not expecting from their daughters Kuhu and Mishti to take up responsibilities or start learning about their business..

Unfortunately this is just not the case with this show. It’s with every other show.. Look at KZK how the women around treat Prerna or how Prerna treats herself.

Coming to Abir, he definitely needs to see Kunal for what he is.. What and to how much extent does he think his mother can manipulate his brother. Their mother was not even present at the function when Kunal misbehaved with Mishti. However, I think may be I am wrong, but perhaps Kunal’s behaviour with Mishti and Kuhu , which is definitely apparent, will come out as a dramatic truth in front of the family when KuKu marriage truth comes out. May be once Abir comes to know that Kunal was involved in blackmailing Mishti along with his mother, he will see Kunal for what he is, because in tv shows even apparent things have to come out and be realised dramatically.. However, I am still kind of glad that even if back stage he tries to excuse Kunal action with Meenu’s upbringing, he doesn’t lets Kunal leave without questioning him, in case he pulls out these stunts in front of him..

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ZindagiCalling

I totally agree with you on this .. You know recently I watched a series “ Mission Over Mars” and there was a wonderful dialogue in it, that a woman can be anything scientists, engineers, sexist .. And they successfully portrayed it as well.. The mission director Nandita was a great team leader, a brilliant scientist but a control freak mother. Similarly, Moshmi was a very ambitious ambitious scientist, but not so good as a team leader and a difficult colleague.. But nowhere did I see that in the narrative showed the problematic traits of these woman, not been called off or their achievements being downplayed.. Basically what I am trying to say is, that women were shown as human beings, the actual grey characters. They had their strengths, their weaknesses, their differences but above everything was their mission and passion to conduct a successful mission.. They had multiple character traits in them, some were good, some were bad but none was unrealistic..

Problem over here is that the characters they are trying to pass on as grey are actually not grey. They are demeaning, they are heartless and they are irrational. Kuhu has off late started to show some kind of reasoning nowadays, but God knows for how long it will be there. Being the adopted child she herself is, almost zero to nil reasoning has been shown as to why she despises Mishti so much. What has she actually lost to Mishti. What has Mishti taken away from her Love? Comfort? Education? Fair enough, at times even Mishti has done questionable things to her, but were they such big issues that it was impossible to deal with a conversation.

Coming to Jasmeet, I don’t know if I will ever be able to wrap my head around what she speaks, why she speaks. I mean the most senseless of all the characters ..

Varsha, now I really don’t know what Kuhu told her today. But even if she told her half truth, isn’t it her responsibility to at least once talk to Kunal about how he is treating her child. I mean just for once hold Kunal accountable, before thinking or getting manipulated over trying to contain Mishti..

I mean the heights these they will go to impress Kunal is truly appalling... They won’t even unite and question Kunal for their own good. Yeh aapke grey characters hain.. these are totally dumb characters living in somewhat perhaps ancient era, wearing modern clothes and having some parties but the mindset is still the old one... Samaj, damad , ladki ka sasural is everything..

Even Mishti, I mean I don’t know if working in an NGO is a permanent job that is fetching her some financial independence or it’s just a help that she is offering to a dear friend. If she is also not thinking about her career seriously, she too is doing grave injustice to herself .. Meenu is feeling tired and expects Abir to take up his responsibilities, but aren’t Vishambhar and Shaurya are also getting older.. Why are they not expecting from their daughters Kuhu and Mishti to take up responsibilities or start learning about their business..

Unfortunately this is just not the case with this show. It’s with every other show.. Look at KZK how the women around treat Prerna or how Prerna treats herself.

Coming to Abir, he definitely needs to see Kunal for what he is.. What and to how much extent does he think his mother can manipulate his brother. Their mother was not even present at the function when Kunal misbehaved with Mishti. However, I think may be I am wrong, but perhaps Kunal’s behaviour with Mishti and Kuhu , which is definitely apparent, will come out as a dramatic truth in front of the family when KuKu marriage truth comes out. May be once Abir comes to know that Kunal was involved in blackmailing Mishti along with his mother, he will see Kunal for what he is, because in tv shows even apparent things have to come out and be realised dramatically.. However, I am still kind of glad that even if back stage he tries to excuse Kunal action with Meenu’s upbringing, he doesn’t lets Kunal leave without questioning him, in case he pulls out these stunts in front of him..

tbh in all of this, only Meenu and badi maa have a social life. Apart from family.

And I agree with thread maker bade papa ki mom was such fantabulous character.... Dekh k pata chalta tha vishambar ji unke bete hai...

Real life me you know atleast my side of the country ladki ki mom ko interfere krne ni dete ladki ki shaadi ke baad...

Kunal se kya baat karenge.... Damaad Jo doodh ke ubaal ki tarah rehta hai, usse koi kya rational discussion krega... Yaha normal valo ko bhi insult na ho jaye, ladki ki families ko darr laga rehta hai....

Usse b badi baat ye hai... Kisi ke aane se bhai bhai ka rishta thodi na toot jata hai,... Silly people.... Let simple fight be fight na.... Apni tangdi adaani hai.. Zindagi me kaam bacha ni koi... Yaha adhi raat hui Padi... Or aisa lagta hai abi b kaam pade hai


Bade papa maybe thinking ki shaurya dekh lenge and in meantime Mishti should explore her potential..... Who knows?

Edited by meen123 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: meen123

tbh in all of this, only Meenu and badi maa have a social life. Apart from family.

And I agree with thread maker bade papa ki mom was such fantabulous character.... Dekh k pata chalta tha vishambar ji unke bete hai...

Real life me you know atleast my side of the country ladki ki mom ko interfere krne ni dete ladki ki shaadi ke baad...

Kunal se kya baat karenge.... Damaad Jo doodh ke ubaal ki tarah rehta hai, usse koi kya rational discussion krega... Yaha normal valo ko bhi insult na ho jaye, ladki ki families ko darr laga rehta hai....

Usse b badi baat ye hai... Kisi ke aane se bhai bhai ka rishta thodi na toot jata hai,... Silly people.... Let simple fight be fight na.... Apni tangdi adaani hai.. Zindagi me kaam bacha ni koi... Yaha adhi raat hui Padi... Or aisa lagta hai abi b kaam pade hai


Bade papa maybe thinking ki shaurya dekh lenge and in meantime Mishti should explore her potential..... Who knows?

Aapki baat sahi hai but chalo show mein hi dikha de.. ek Acha message hi pahunch jayega.. I mean Bade Papa believes in letting girls take their own decisions and that girls’ family should now be insulted because the people standing in front are ladkewalas toh itni rational thoughts Rakhne wale Insaan ke ghar mein aise log kahan se aa Gaye.. Shaurya does not even speak.. Does Varsha confides in Shaurya for anything about what’s happening around.. Not speaking anything Also is a kind of regressiveness only in my opinion..

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ZindagiCalling

Aapki baat sahi hai but chalo show mein hi dikha de.. ek Acha message hi pahunch jayega.. I mean Bade Papa believes in letting girls take their own decisions and that girls’ family should now be insulted because the people standing in front are ladkewalas toh itni rational thoughts Rakhne wale Insaan ke ghar mein aise log kahan se aa Gaye.. Shaurya does not even speak.. Does Varsha confides in Shaurya for anything about what’s happening around.. Not speaking anything Also is a kind of regressiveness only in my opinion..

my prob is something else love marriage Varsha ki khud ki hai use bilkul doubt ni ho raha, no matter what pyar me aap bande ko ni chodte ho.... Anyhow jaye huye ko jagana mushkil hota hai na


Sab is galat fhemi ka swikar hai Kunal kuhu ko pyar karta hai. 5 yr old can tell ki sab fake hai

Shaurya ko lines na dena writer's choice hai re.. Besides I think jaisi galti jana ab ne ki thi uske baad aap kha mosh hi rehte ho specially big families me..... Mai chah ke b kai baar saamne valo ki galti ni bol pati because I have done some blunders Jo muje soot samet yaad dila diye jaate hai

Varsha ka apni beti ki life me over participate krna is unhealthy just as Meenu ka or Abir ka..... Subah Jo miya biwi ladte hai, raat ko vo ikatthe baithe hote hai na.... Ya nai? Usual cases me I mean

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: meen123

my prob is something else love marriage Varsha ki khud ki hai use bilkul doubt ni ho raha, no matter what pyar me aap bande ko ni chodte ho.... Anyhow jaye huye ko jagana mushkil hota hai na


Sab is galat fhemi ka swikar hai Kunal kuhu ko pyar karta hai. 5 yr old can tell ki sab fake hai

Shaurya ko lines na dena writer's choice hai re.. Besides I think jaisi galti jana ab ne ki thi uske baad aap kha mosh hi rehte ho specially big families me..... Mai chah ke b kai baar saamne valo ki galti ni bol pati because I have done some blunders Jo muje soot samet yaad dila diye jaate hai

Varsha ka apni beti ki life me over participate krna is unhealthy just as Meenu ka or Abir ka..... Subah Jo miya biwi ladte hai, raat ko vo ikatthe baithe hote hai na.... Ya nai? Usual cases me I mean

Humm.... Aise hi mujhe mere marks aur average academics yaad dilaya jaata tha, if I tried to overpower in arguments.. 🤣 Par phir bhi apni baat Kehne ke raaste Dhoond hi lene chahiye war a duniya ko aapki silence ki aadat ho jaati hai.. jo shor machana band kar dete hain unki aawazen dab jaati hain.. zyada philosophy ho gayi I know.. 😆

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ZindagiCalling

Humm.... Aise hi mujhe mere marks aur average academics yaad dilaya jaata tha, if I tried to overpower in arguments.. 🤣 Par phir bhi apni baat Kehne ke raaste Dhoond hi lene chahiye war a duniya ko aapki silence ki aadat ho jaati hai.. jo shor machana band kar dete hain unki aawazen dab jaati hain.. zyada philosophy ho gayi I know.. 😆

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Word!!

I know isliye mai b ab bol deti hu.. Dunia aapki khamoshi ko kamzori samaj leti hai.... Par kabi kabi bolne pe aapko serious lia jata hai..

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Beautiful post my dear!🤗

I’m dissapointed in Abir too.. so much that I skipped SBS segment the other day.. I never say No to spoilers.. so it’s a big thing for me😆 Just saw a glimpse of Abir trying to Manao his useless nanko.. made me cringe🤢

I didn’t like the fact that Abir told mishti.. she might have to bear insults from kunal in the future..

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: iamthat2019

You are so right.Abir is asking Mishti to be prepared for the worst as he's so sure that kunal is incapable of behaving himself.This is the only part in his journey so far that I do not agree with him.Also if he's not certain of what Mishti might have to put up in Rv house then he rather call it off now rather than letting this poor girl suffer.A manipulative and abusive family can really wreak havoc later.

I agree wholeheartedly to your point. He should just call it off, if he can't handle his family or if he can't take a tough stand for their relationship. Expecting Mishti to take crap from everyone just because they are in love is like too much. I can't even bear to hear the taunts thrown at her. Imagine the person to whom these are directed. No relationship/love is worth your mental sanity. If a relationship is binding you to a toxic environment it is better to break off that relationship. More than a Mishbir shipper, I want Abir and Mishti to grow up and realise they are not responsible for any one's happiness, but they can be responsible for theirs. Before fighting for their love, they need to fight for themselves, they need to establish healthy boundaries with their family. They need to self introspect and need to set their priorities correct. They should understand that, a person's first priority should be themselves.

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