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Posted: 5 years ago

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What i love is transparency that gets improved aa the show progressed ...

Kunal doesn't shy away from expressing his disappointments however childish it may sound , come on he is speaking with his bhai and he is totally uncensored with him !

Abir doesn't shy away from calling him out when he goes wrong because he wants people to recognise him as a better person and make then see kunal's real side , he takes care of him as his own child !

Kunal at times becomes Abir's right hand and partner in crime smiley16

Abir becomes his philosopher, guide , his best friend smiley9

I hope thier bond goes stronger in the story smiley10

Planet A and Satellite K ...smiley10smiley10


There is so much more to Kunal than just being Abir's "right hand", "partner in crime", and "satellite". To imply that that is his only role when it comes to his relationship with his brother is a disservice to everything he has done for his family, and how much more he's willing to do. Kunal's character in this story is especially unique because his role as a younger brother defies what society normally expects from younger siblings. The whole point of Abir and Kunal's relationship is that Kunal has had to take on the responsibility of essentially being the "older" son, by getting involved in the family business and working with the family's elders, and constantly being a pillar of support for all of his family members, while Abir is the son that is a little more "free-spirited" and chooses to live against the norm of what is expected from the elder son. That's why their relationship is unique.


I don't find their relationship wonderful because Abir "takes care of him as his own child" (because he doesn't), and I certainly don't think that Kunal is a satellite or Abir's faithful sidekick, because that would imply that he takes things lying down. The dynamics of their relationship are special and intriguing because while the two are equally devoted to each other, there is always a push and pull factor in their relationship that draws them apart and brings them back together again.

Edited by journalgirl321 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: journalgirl321


There is so much more to Kunal than just being Abir's "right hand", "partner in crime", and "satellite". To imply that that is his only role when it comes to his relationship with his brother is a disservice to everything he has done for his family, and how much more he's willing to do. Kunal's character in this story is especially unique because his role as a younger brother defies what society normally expects from younger siblings. The whole point of Abir and Kunal's relationship is that Kunal has had to take on the responsibility of essentially being the "older" son, by getting involved in the family business and working with the family's elders, and constantly being a pillar of support for all of his family members, while Abir is the son that is a little more "free-spirited" and chooses to live against the norm of what is expected from the elder son. That's why their relationship is unique.


I don't find their relationship wonderful because Abir "takes care of him as his own child" (because he doesn't), and I certainly don't think that Kunal is a satellite or Abir's "faithful sidekick", because that would imply that he takes things lying down. The dynamics of their relationship are special and intriguing because while the two are equally devoted to each other, there is always a push and pull factor in their relationship that draws them apart and brings them back together again.

Thank you for this, Meera!! You somehow always put my feelings in words.

Their relationship is wonderful because the dynamics are so different than the usual sibling bonds that are portrayed throughout TV or what we usually get to see in real life. More often that not, it's the elder sibling that has to do the heavy lifting of responsibilities and the younger sibling gets to choose whatever path they wish for in life. But here, it's totally flipped. There are so many examples throughout the show and it helps give so much depth to their bond.

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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: journalgirl321


There is so much more to Kunal than just being Abir's "right hand", "partner in crime", and "satellite". To imply that that is his only role when it comes to his relationship with his brother is a disservice to everything he has done for his family, and how much more he's willing to do. Kunal's character in this story is especially unique because his role as a younger brother defies what society normally expects from younger siblings. The whole point of Abir and Kunal's relationship is that Kunal has had to take on the responsibility of essentially being the "older" son, by getting involved in the family business and working with the family's elders, and constantly being a pillar of support for all of his family members, while Abir is the son that is a little more "free-spirited" and chooses to live against the norm of what is expected from the elder son. That's why their relationship is unique.


I don't find their relationship wonderful because Abir "takes care of him as his own child" (because he doesn't), and I certainly don't think that Kunal is a satellite or Abir's "faithful sidekick", because that would imply that he takes things lying down. The dynamics of their relationship are special and intriguing because while the two are equally devoted to each other, there is always a push and pull factor in their relationship that draws them apart and brings them back together again.


Agree, Kunal is much more but all those things mentioned had the qualifier "at times". The relationship discussed is between brothers, so where does the family come in?


Do you think Kunal would not get involved in the business as much if Abir was involved? Doesn't seem that way to me, since Kunal has always been shown to love being involved in the business. They do show that anyone trying to stop him from being involved would definitely face a fight. Kunal has definitely been a pillar of support for Meenu, but I would refute the point about his being a pillar of support for everyone in the family while Abir is not. This is not what they show.


@bold - totally


I think Abir did treat him like a child, but that has been changing.


I was going to write more, but I want to see what Uru and Nandu have to say, especially on how the term satellite was coined since I don't know. I didn't see "faithful sidekick" anywhere on the post and I agree that Kunal can't really be called that.

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Posted: 5 years ago

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Agree, Kunal is much more but all those things mentioned had the qualifier "at times". The relationship discussed is between brothers, so where does the family come in?


Do you think Kunal would not get involved in the business as much if Abir was involved? Doesn't seem that way to me, since Kunal has always been shown to love being involved in the business. They do show that anyone trying to stop him from being involved would definitely face a fight. Kunal has definitely been a pillar of support for Meenu, but I would refute the point about his being a pillar of support for everyone in the family while Abir is not. This is not what they show.


@bold - totally


I think Abir did treat him like a child, but that has been changing.


I was going to write more, but I want to see what Uru and Nandu have to say, especially on how the term satellite was coined since I don't know. I didn't see "faithful sidekick" anywhere on the post and I agree that Kunal can't really be called that.


Faithful sidekick wasn't directly quoted, so maybe I'll get rid of the quotation marks. I just feel like that was kind of implied by the tone of the post. And I never said that Abir wasn't supportive of his family, but I emphasized that Kunal was so as to establish the fact that he isn't a doormat. And agreed, had Abir been involved in the business, I'm sure that Kunal would have been too, out of interest. But the fact of the matter is that Abir never got involved (which is completely fine, as he had the luxury of figuring out what his passion was), and Kunal was expected to step up and help out. And as far as bringing the family into the picture, you can't discuss the brothers without eventually bringing the family in, because it's so important to both of their stories.


The satellite term shouldn't have been coined. It doesn't even come close to encompassing the real nature of their relationship, and it's a little insulting to Kunal as a character (which is weird, seeing as how this is Kunal's AT).


I'm sorry, I know these are fictional characters! But I can't help but feel fiercely defensive of certain characters (like Kunal) because they represent so much more to me than just fiction.

Edited by journalgirl321 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

Originally posted by: journalgirl321


Faithful sidekick wasn't directly quoted, so maybe I'll get rid of the quotation marks. I just feel like that was kind of implied by the tone of the post. And I never said that Abir wasn't supportive of his family, but I emphasized that Kunal was so as to establish the fact that he isn't a doormat. And agreed, had Abir been involved in the business, I'm sure that Kunal would have been too, out of interest. But the fact of the matter is that Abir never got involved (which is completely fine, as he had the luxury of figuring out what his passion was), and Kunal was expected to step up and help out. And as far as bringing the family into the picture, you can't discuss the brothers without eventually bringing the family in, because it's so important to both of their stories.


The satellite term shouldn't have been coined. It doesn't even come close to encompassing the real nature of their relationship, and it's a little insulting to Kunal as a character (which is weird, seeing as how this is Kunal's AT).


I'm sorry, I know these are fictional characters! But I can't help but feel fiercely defensive of certain characters (like Kunal) because they represent so much more to me than just fiction.


I don't think anyone believes that Kunal is a doormat, his character doesn't give that impression at all, even when he is doing as he is asked to do. I see that a little differently - I think Kunal chose to go abroad and study (was it accounting or business?) and then get involved. It was as much his choice as it was Abir's not to. I don't think he did it because that was what was expected - not to say he wouldn't have if it was. I hope I'm making sense. Two ways to look at it - he wanted to be involved in the business and is doing it because he likes it, or, he had to do it and is doing it, just so happens he likes doing it. I'm thinking first and you're thinking second.


Eventually, yes, family has to come in, but the post was discussing only how the brothers relate to each other and didn't really mean to put Kunal in a little pocket that says Abir's brother and nothing else if that's what you're getting at. I'll stop here, coz Uru can probably explain better.


Completely understandable, but people have different ways to view the same character, so they see them differently. Doesn't make anyone right or wrong, and I don't think it means any slight to the character, particularly in that character's AT. Also, I don't think the term satellite is used as an insult to Kunal, but again I will wait for others to explain. Any time I have seen that word, it doesn't come across as an insult to me anymore than being called moon M to Abir's planet A is an insult to Mishti 😊.


@bold - reminds me of "kaun rota hai kisi aur ki khatir ae dost, sab ko apni hi kisi baat pe rona aaya" - one of my most favorite lines from that song because I think it's so true.

Edited by angelfire78 - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago

This whole notion of Kunal is expected to slog for the family while only Abir has the luxury to follow his passion is quite skewed. I thought they have made it quite clear that Kunal is following his passion - that of running his business!!

He went to Harvard Business school if I remember correctly. What's the point of going to such a prestigious school and then not putting it to use?!


Time and again they have shown how possessive and passionate Kunal is about his work. He made it clear to Kuhu too when she made that below the belt freeloader comment about Abir that he is running the business because he likes to!


Plus they have clearly shown the brothers personalities too to match their passion.

Kunal is self-confessed lover of luxury and wants to maintain certain lifestyle and is conscious about his image and status, so even otherwise he will need to earn money to be able to afford that.

While the "free-spirited" Abir on the other side doesn't mind sleeping under the stars or riding on rooftops of public buses or gifting his wife a necklace from a roadside hawker. So he is okay surviving on his NGO income.


While Meenu is capable of providing for both, Kunal has chosen to join the business because he wants to, Abir hasn't because he doesn't want to. But of course, this is the story so far... for the sake of drama they can change it any day and have Kunal jump on the freeloader bandwagon.

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Posted: 5 years ago

I'm sorry if it came off like I was implying that Abir is a freeloader. That wasn't my intention. I'm not denying that Kunal is passionate about his work, because he is. I'm just saying that Abir and Kunal's relationship is different, because in many situations in ITV shows, it's the older sibling that is expected to outperform and join the family business, while being extremely methodical, while the younger one is the dreamer and the one that takes the creative path in life. But Abir is fully within his right and should break the norm to find what he's passionate about, as is Kunal. My main problem was with the terms "satellite" and "right hand", because I don't think it's fair to Kunal. It's reducing his role in his relationship to Abir to a mere stooge. And it rubbed me the wrong way. That's all.

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Originally posted by: journalgirl321

I'm sorry if it came off like I was implying that Abir is a freeloader. That wasn't my intention. I'm not denying that Kunal is passionate about his work, because he is. I'm just saying that Abir and Kunal's relationship is different, because in many situations in ITV shows, it's the older sibling that is expected to outperform and join the family business, while being extremely methodical, while the younger one is the dreamer and the one that takes the creative path in life. But Abir is fully within his right and should break the norm to find what he's passionate about, as is Kunal. My main problem was with the terms "satellite" and "right hand", because I don't think it's fair to Kunal. It's reducing his role in his relationship to Abir to a mere stooge. And it rubbed me the wrong way. That's all.


I agree that they are not the typical older sibling/younger sibling in terms of older being methodical and younger being the dreamer, but that really has very little to do with their relationship with each other. I find their love for each other to be older sibling/younger sibling kind.


For right-hand, I would say it applies to both of them - they both help each other out when needed (and when not needed!).


Satellite, again, the way I read this word is more in terms of whose life revolves around whom and I think based on what they have shown so far, Kunal's life revolves around Abir much more than the other way around. I did not read any negative connotation in that word. They love each other a lot, but Kunal is more ready and willing to forgive Abir pretty much anything, whereas Abir won't.

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Posted: 5 years ago

After leap kunal's character has gone for a toss.With every new entry he had to sacrifice his ss .I have a feeling the actor knows it so he is reluctant to return.Maybe we will be witnessing the same scenario like dupatta show.

I somehow agree with the actor. With such looks,talent he deserves better.

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Hi ,

Thanks for reading and giving time to my post, No wonder you got the need to defend kunal ( although it was absolutely unnecessary because I wasn't demeaning kunal as I am aware that ATs are meant for appreciation and not really a place to create adda to criticise the AT character or other characters or actors ) because you haven't really interacted with me or read my write ups in the forum , hence you could not get the correct interpretation of the words and started assuming tone of my post by putting words like "faithful sidekick" which I didn't really use , there is a reason I didn't make a general post here but just quoted nandu because we have been exchanging views for a long time now and she very well understands the interpretation of the words and that's why I didn't get the need to explain much there.


However I understand that we get affected by fictional characters, so it's an attempt from my side to explain to you certain things since my tone and intention has been questioned but before proceeding I would like to request one thing, we aren't unknown to understand that there exists set of views in the forum which are drastically opposite than another set of views , and with the clashes , no one has gone anywhere with the conclusions, so even after reading my explanations if you don't really agree with me , we can just happily agree to disagree and leave it at that.


First of all, it was just a simple post on abinal and I am very much aware that if I just write about kunal , he is way much more than what he shares his relationship with abir , but I wasn't writing about kunal but abinal hence I didn't feel the need to write much , and there is no thumb rule that abinal can't be discussed without the family ..I can very well discuss the brothers in any format I want , i don't think you can direct me on that

Anyways, here are my interpretations , if you don't agree then also its fine

1. "Partners in Crime " it's not just for goofy effects and there is a reason I say "partners" because in their relationship , they are equal entities neither kunal is inferior to abir nor abir is superior to him , they have ended up doing a lot of things together, from making a kidnapping plan for girls , to the Bhaang masti at holi to kunal asking abir to write some shayairs when he was courting mishti to abir making kunal confess that he doesn't really want to divorce kuhu and then helping him reach to kuhu, to kunal supporting abir and going against benba in hijacking nishmish shaadi functions, to then deciding to give a public recognition to parul , to punching ved and going to jail together to all those planned unplanned dance performances and the list goes on ...they chose to be together in most of the funny and serious moments of their life!


2. "Right- hand " I think this word made you think that kunal is abir's sidekick, not at all , right man means the man we trust the most in the unit , believe it or not , abir is the one who trusts kunal the most in rajvansh house...for that matter he doesn't even trust his mom but he trusts his brother, that makes him a right handed man , a man abir can approach to at all times and vice versa as well , also more than meenu , its kunal whose opinions matter to abir the most in rajvansh family and he would also patiently wait to explain things to him , we don't see that level of patience with meenu or even with mishti at times.


3. "Satellite and planet" Again its not a demeaning word , infact if you see I named abir a planet ..its an aspect of the relationship which I name it as planet- satellite ... the technological life on earth and space life outside would come to a halt if satellites weren't orbiting around, they are also smart to decode any danger coming our way..kunal is someone whose life unknowingly revolves around abir more than anyone , that's his love, care and concern , he always wanted to protect his brother from people he felt aren't proper for abir, be it mishti , baba or nishant, that's ways kunal has intelligence to decode personalities and he is quick than abir there , I also remember how when kunal gets to know about his birth truth, his immediate reaction was "Am I still your nanko, bhai ?" , it wasn't about meenu's son or being part of rajvansh family but just about "abir's nanko" , that itself shows how much this particular relationship matters to him , also scientists use satellites to get info from other planets for a purpose, in a similar fashion sometimes meenu asks kunal to just see what abir mishti , mishbir or nishant are upto but just like satellites have their own artificial intelligence, kunal in a way ends up doing is right at the moment like immediately decide to free kuhu from a relationship he knew was more of a mistake from his side to deciding not to spike nishant's drink and so on , in an abstract way and in a healthy manner I relate his character like that ...in just a hatke way I name the characters as planets moon satellites north stars 3D lenses and what not , my regular readers understand the purpose very well , I hope you also understood now


4."Abir treats kunal as his own child " He does , not by words but by absolute actions, abir knows kunal is a honest loving man by heart but seriously misunderstood by mishti and more or less is misguided by meenu , that's the reason at times abir had to struggle to find a balance between kunal and mishti, In these age and times when brothers fight for petty things and decide to stay apart by dividing it all and focusing on thier own life and love relationships, abir always decided to understand kunal otherwise which brother would remain calm when he realises his little brother committed a cyber crime to damage his girlfriend's image, which brother remains calm when he realises his brother played a game of marriage to equal scores or keep the girlfriend away from him , which brother remains calm when his little brother presents prenup papers to his would be fiance on the day the rishta gets fixed , and ultimately which brother would ultimately let go the love of his life to ensure his little's brother's identity is protected and he is not really demeaned and thrown away from the house like his mother threatened ! He decided to cut off all ties from mishti and just be around kunal all his life , and later when he saw meenu is still using kunal as a "sidekick" in her plans , that become a moment for him to reveal the truth to make an independent entity ...that day when abir chose kunal , it proved that kunal mattered to him the most , I don't know if you would understand this or not , but I think for a parent , his child matters to him more than himself and for the child, the parent become the world , the purest relationship on this planet can be, is of a parent - child .. in that sense I call them parent - child !! In these times when even blood related brothers don't think so much , these destiny related brothers can just die for each other happily ..pyaar ke rishteys after all ! Abir had lost his father at a very young age , he knows the pain of the absence of father's figure in life and that's why he tries his best that kunal also dosent go though the same, of course kunal considers meenu as her mother and father both but he really shares an emotional bonding as a child with abir by keeping his vulnerable uncensored side open to him !


5."Abir kunal and the business" First of all in these modern times , don't make it sound as of it's only elder's son obligation to take up responsibilities n all ...ladki naa nahi keh sakti , bada bhai hi business sambhale , shaadi jisse family chahe usse hi ho , YRHPK is exactly breaking these kind of stereotypes....so it's not like haaye abir ne nahi sambhala toh kunal ko sambhalna pada haaye bichara. ..this was never the case ,both the boys chose their careers themselves, abir is into app developing and NGO services and is not dependent on the family , he is doing it all by himself , on the other hand kunal studied business administration and we all know business is his first love aur ghar ka acha khaasa set up already hai so he joined it and happily contributing to it , and acha lage ya nahi , its meenu who is running the family business for years ( with the support of kunal now ) and paying for family expenses , she is still hail and hearty and much capable of handling things all alone too , Da vansh toh voh hi sambhal ti hai akele, kunal has a separate unit Red Pear now .....Neither of the boys are paying for family and handling them , it's meenu who does that , benba ko underestimate mat karo, also ab baat nikli hi hai toh let me quote the man himself:

"I do it because i like it , it is my company , I have expanded it , it's my hard work and that was my choice to do , no one forced me " also he said " My brother has done a lot for me already, so much that I would never be able to do that for him , and he did that because he loves me a lot and I don't want to test his love and care because he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone " ....

These lines are from the latest episode before lockdown and I think when the man says himself we can really believe, now please don't say he doesn't really mean these words , kunal is one character who fearlessly speaks his mind and is brutally honest and i really appreciate this quality !


6. "Abir kunal and family" last but not the least, wouldn't bore you much but I won't waste my energy again ...we all know how rich of a family man kunal is, he participates in family business, gets ready to marry a girl of family's choice and I know there is so more to it also, he has dedicated his life to his family but I am not writing here because the post has already been so long and I think we aew pretty much clear on this topic and if you really wish to read what abir means to a family, read my reply to our fellow member aqua post on "abir a family guy"

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Thank you so much for reading and I can very well understand if you can not still not agree with me., however my words were not demeaning and this long post is not my justification but just explanation of the words that I have used, I think it's a common sense , that if I am posting an emotional video that highlights abinal bond here in kunal AT , I would do that to appreciate kunal and not demean him in his own AT. I don't resort to such things and that's not the kind of person I am.

Henceforth, I would appreciate if you can once ask me to give clarification on the hatke words used rather than assuming and being so defensive about it already, however I can understand when we have immense love for a character then certain post can hit us in a wrong direction , so its always better to clarify

And Abinal bond can much more than this also , but It is my choice to analyse and write the way I want , for nandu's post, I just selected a few words to describe abinal in my style and that no where implies that it's the only understanding I have of then !...


Also in the post, I had added that I hope this bond keeps going stronger , m sure again these two are ready to take on new challenges coming their way

Thanks,

Uru.

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