What world do the makers live in? - Page 11

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

so do you mean people who supported akshara for choosing abhinav as father and replacing abhimanyu for kid's happiness they should support what manjari is doing today for her son ? As both are mothers it can't be like akshara is a fl and she is a mother and manjari is fl's saas so she can't be a mother but just MIL?

I consider both of them wrong. Manjari can't ask Akshara to abort but she has every right to ask akshara to give her surity that she will give abhimanyu his rights as husband and don't make him suffer by glorifying abhinav everyday. Knowing akshara and abhimanyu's good nature akshara will ensure she will keep abhinav in her mind and even make her kids hail abhinav instead of making them understand abhimanyu's importance.

Akshara can't replace abhimanyu from abhir's life. As whatever issue they had it was between husband and wife. That should not impact child and father's relation. If tomorrow akshara slips into coma after a fight with abhimanyu should abhimanyu marry arohi and replace akshara from child's life for child's happiness ? How akshara would feel?

Akshara has already promised that she will give 100% in this relation. Going by her history, she was completely loyal to Abhimanyu till the time they got divorced and she was committed till the time Abhinav was there. I have never seen a single scene where Akshara was longing for Abhimanyu while she was with Abhinav and remember they had Abhir from Abhimanyu with her. If Manjari thinks Akshara can move on with Abhinav with Abhir in picture, she can do it now as well.

She claims Akshara is like her daughter, and asks her to abort her child for the happiness of her son.

Akshara gave up her fight for Abhir's rights as a son in Abhimanyu's life and ultimately Abhimanyu suffered due to her action. I would say that was very wrong of her, not because she was inconsiderate to Abhi, but because Abhir had every right to know about his father.

Abhir was not called an orphan, he got a complete family's love who kept him happy and never reminded him everyday like he is not his real son (what happened with Neil). So I take what Manjari got to suffer by the hiding of paternity fact by Akshara was her Karma of what she did to Neil and Harsh (she kept a father-son fact hidden for 20+ years) and Abhimanyu was a collateral damage in her karma.

I would have loved if they had shown Akshara coming back as single mother and not going back to Birlas at any situation. Abhimanyu was a great lover, a great son but he failed as a husband and father. I don't want any woman to get back to such a man at any cost.

Here Manjari is asking to kill an unborn child and manipulating a child against his mother (which will make Abhir against Akshara). And people are justifying Manjari in the name of Maa ki mamta (Does it mean Mamta is only for her own son?) Will she ask Akshara to get rid of an unvorn baby if after this marriage she may conceive another baby from Abhi ? Will she say she wants a family of just three and remove that baby?

If we remove our filter of admiration and love for the character Abhimanyu Birla and think of as a neutral viewer, we will see Manjari as a vile and manipulative woman. I know here people are mostly for the actor HC (and he is a great actor and good looking, I agree), but that should not make us to endorse anything and everything is being portrayed.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Akshara has already promised that she will give 100% in this relation. Going by her history, she was completely loyal to Abhimanyu till the time they got divorced and she was committed till the time Abhinav was there. I have never seen a single scene where Akshara was longing for Abhimanyu while she was with Abhinav and remember they had Abhir from Abhimanyu with her. If Manjari thinks Akshara can move on with Abhinav with Abhir in picture, she can do it now as well.

She claims Akshara is like her daughter, and asks her to abort her child for the happiness of her son.

Akshara gave up her fight for Abhir's rights as a son in Abhimanyu's life and ultimately Abhimanyu suffered due to her action. I would say that was very wrong of her, not because she was inconsiderate to Abhi, but because Abhir had every right to know about his father.

Abhir was not called an orphan, he got a complete family's love who kept him happy and never reminded him everyday like he is not his real son (what happened with Neil). So I take what Manjari got to suffer by the hiding of paternity fact by Akshara was her Karma of what she did to Neil and Harsh (she kept a father-son fact hidden for 20+ years) and Abhimanyu was a collateral damage in her karma.

I would have loved if they had shown Akshara coming back as single mother and not going back to Birlas at any situation. Abhimanyu was a great lover, a great son but he failed as a husband and father. I don't want any woman to get back to such a man at any cost.

Here Manjari is asking to kill an unborn child and manipulating a child against his mother (which will make Abhir against Akshara). And people are justifying Manjari in the name of Maa ki mamta (Does it mean Mamta is only for her own son?) Will she ask Akshara to get rid of an unvorn baby if after this marriage she may conceive another baby from Abhi ? Will she say she wants a family of just three and remove that baby?

If we remove our filter of admiration and love for the character Abhimanyu Birla and think of as a neutral viewer, we will see Manjari as a vile and manipulative woman. I know here people are mostly for the actor HC (and he is a great actor and good looking, I agree), but that should not make us to endorse anything and everything is being portrayed.

Akshara was not loyal to Abhinav. She was remembering her ex for last 7 years. there were scenes shown as well abhimanyu's accident did affect her initially. As well as she herself told muskaan she was unable to see Abhinav due to 3rd party. Akshara confessed in front of everyone that she is unable to move on and Abhinav and me are just staying as parents and not husband and wife. We can not say someone is committed if it's not shown in front of her previous love. She should be committed inside her heart. Outside she can give a fake smile but what matters most is what she feels inside.

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Manjari stopped claiming that now only Akshara calls manjari as MAA and insulted her parvarish and questioned her upbringing.

Akshara had every right to move on. But as per law and ethics she has no right to change father no matter what's her real intention was. Unless abhimanyu wante to kill abhir. Which is not the case here. Her choosing abhinav as a father was only because she knew abhinav needed a family and she wanted to hide abhir from abhimnayu inorder to take revenge for not picking up her phone call. That's when she married abhinav after enquiring about him. She knew he likes kids and he is unmarried that's when she offferred him this deal.

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Manjari asking her to abort is wrong i will not support her for that. But knowing what akshara did to her son in her previous marriage as a mother she would want happiness of her son. As she don't want abhi suffer post her demise with this women. She has already seen abhimanyu sufferring from last 7 years so she can't see him sufferring anymore because of her or her kid.

I was neutral before but now i like abhimanyu more. I never liked manjari before but as a mother her concern is not wrong as she is bringing same DIL who replaced her son from her grand son's life. Who questioned their upbringing and without informing stayed in mauritias for 1 year. She has seen abhi suffering for a long. She would wish happiness for her son that's when she asked akshara to tell abhimanyu to move on in life. For her abhimanyu's happiness matters. Akshara has proved in temple that agar abhimanyu ek bhi galthi karega she will immediately say that this is my kid you are doing this because this is not your kid. Akshara has no control over her tongue. She has been shown as some one who can imagine anything and humiliate anyone. So manjari ka concerns are still valid.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Why this marriage for love (with no one's nishani) was not applied while Abhi-Arohi was being forced to marry some time back?

Exactly…. Y was she forcing Abhi and arohi ki marriage… wahan to neither claimed to love each other…. Iss baar to Abhi is deeply in love with Akshu… bechara has not been able to move on since years…..

Agar nahi mann hai to reject the Shaadi itself…, tell abhi… nahi karega woh Shaadi… but y asking Akshu to choose…. Talk to your own son…,,

forcing to abort the baby by manipulating abhir…, Bahut zyada vile Ho Gaya hai!!!

Akshara decided to not to come back with Abhir was because she was told by Abhimanyu that there is nothing left between them and never come back to him. I know that he was not aware of Abhir that time. But what is changed by bringing Abhir in picture? Will his anger towards Neil accident go away because Abhir is there? How that will change Abhi and Birla's anger? Neil death can not be reversed

Actually that makes me question whether anger was for Neil death or MC? Did Abhi and Birlas loved her only as mother to his kids? What about his soul mate eternal love that he had for Akshara? where did it vanish in just one day? By throwing her out, he not only broke the relationship, but her trust on the relationship was also broken. Why will Akshara trust him and come back with Abhir?

Had Akshara been back with Abhir, what is the guarantee she will be accepted back by Birlas? What would have happened was Abhir must have been snatched back and they must have threw her out? Abhir was her only reason to be alive (Same as Ruhi was for Abhi) and why she will take risk of loosing him?

It was Abhimanyu who broke the relationship. So it will be Abhimanyu who has to bring her back, if he wants

They have shown Akshara having romantic FBs after Abhinav's death. She mostly had her WD bad memory as FB otherwise. And she was clear while she proposed to Abhinav for marriage. She did not tell its a husband wife relation. She need not to fall in love instantly, that's her choice and Abhinav accepted her proposal on his own.

We can't say it was a fake marriage. And it's very common to give the name of step father, if mother get married to another person while she is pregnant. It's upto the step father to agree to give his name. And we see it commonly in real life also. Many of such kids learn about it years later, right?

Manjari was claiming her a daughter even in some of the recent episodes also. She claims whatever is convenient for her at the given moment. She is the biggest hypocrite. Here she is using a child to get her agenda done.

Degrading Manjari to this level and making Abhir a bratty kid (I am getting a jealousy kid image) will not help to make Akshara mahaan (unless she agrees to abort the child, which I think will not happen) or whitewash her of her mistakes, rather it makes Manjari look terrible and vile and a mute Abhimanyu is looking helpless and unreliable to be considered as a partner. He is not opening his mouth while Manjari is speaking non sense. Whatever he is telling about support and this child is his also all will not help unless he takes a stand in front of Manjari

First bold- you couldn’t be more wrong- Abhi said you put yourself at risk, babies at risk, Neil at risk. He legit goes like You promised me you take care of yourself and babies. He repeated during their argument that she promised him- he said why did you go there, why didn’t send someone else, the police was coming, why couldn’t you wait. If she was just a baby maker for him, he wouldn’t keep saying you put yourself at risk. He was first calm and telling Swarna to take her upstairs for rest. But then Manjiri and Arohi’s blames and seeing everybody’s situation, his anger went out of control. We all agree Abhi was wrong to divorce her and not care for her when she was going through a miscarriage. Also, Akshara did want to come back to Abhi- this why she called him, hallucinated him many times. I honestly believe Akshara was waiting for him for the last 6 years and every year he didn’t come for her, she got more angry. Because there is a scene in Kasuali after Abhi comes there, where Akshara goes like why should I think about him when he didn’t think about me for the last 6 years.

Second Bold-
Before Abhi arrived in Kasauli, they showed scene of when Abhir was upside down, Akshara had flashbacks of Abhi’s proposals. She remembered Abhi when looking at methidana. When Abhi came to their house first time in Kasauli, Akshara looks at him head to toe and has flashback of their engagement looks.
Then when she came to Udaipur, the first night sleeping at Goenka home, Akshara had dreams of Abhi and her past.
Then the way she ran to Abhi during his accident- even Abhinav said she still has feelings for Abhi and became insecure.
Akshara didn’t willingly move forward in her relationship with Abhinav-Abhi’s accident and Manjiri’s blame, and her family is the reason she did.

Third Bold- the marriage wasn’t real either. They were married on paper just to give Abhir a normal family, Akshara didn’t really see him as a husband- he was just Abhir’s father and her friend the last 6 years.

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Akshara decided to not to come back with Abhir was because she was told by Abhimanyu that there is nothing left between them and never come back to him. I know that he was not aware of Abhir that time. But what is changed by bringing Abhir in picture? Will his anger towards Neil accident go away because Abhir is there? How that will change Abhi and Birla's anger? Neil death can not be reversed

Actually that makes me question whether anger was for Neil death or MC? Did Abhi and Birlas loved her only as mother to his kids? What about his soul mate eternal love that he had for Akshara? where did it vanish in just one day? By throwing her out, he not only broke the relationship, but her trust on the relationship was also broken. Why will Akshara trust him and come back with Abhir?

Had Akshara been back with Abhir, what is the guarantee she will be accepted back by Birlas? What would have happened was Abhir must have been snatched back and they must have threw her out? Abhir was her only reason to be alive (Same as Ruhi was for Abhi) and why she will take risk of loosing him?

It was Abhimanyu who broke the relationship. So it will be Abhimanyu who has to bring her back, if he wants

They have shown Akshara having romantic FBs after Abhinav's death. She mostly had her WD bad memory as FB otherwise. And she was clear while she proposed to Abhinav for marriage. She did not tell its a husband wife relation. She need not to fall in love instantly, that's her choice and Abhinav accepted her proposal on his own.

We can't say it was a fake marriage. And it's very common to give the name of step father, if mother get married to another person while she is pregnant. It's upto the step father to agree to give his name. And we see it commonly in real life also. Many of such kids learn about it years later, right?

Manjari was claiming her a daughter even in some of the recent episodes also. She claims whatever is convenient for her at the given moment. She is the biggest hypocrite. Here she is using a child to get her agenda done.

Degrading Manjari to this level and making Abhir a bratty kid (I am getting a jealousy kid image) will not help to make Akshara mahaan (unless she agrees to abort the child, which I think will not happen) or whitewash her of her mistakes, rather it makes Manjari look terrible and vile and a mute Abhimanyu is looking helpless and unreliable to be considered as a partner. He is not opening his mouth while Manjari is speaking non sense. Whatever he is telling about support and this child is his also all will not help unless he takes a stand in front of Manjari

Originally posted by: Jenakt17

First bold- you couldn’t be more wrong- Abhi said you put yourself at risk, babies at risk, Neil at risk. He legit goes like You promised me you take care of yourself and babies. He repeated during their argument that she promised him- he said why did you go there, why didn’t send someone else, the police was coming, why couldn’t you wait. If she was just a baby maker for him, he wouldn’t keep saying you put yourself at risk. He was first calm and telling Swarna to take her upstairs for rest. But then Manjiri and Arohi’s blames and seeing everybody’s situation, his anger went out of control. We all agree Abhi was wrong to divorce her and not care for her when she was going through a miscarriage. Also, Akshara did want to come back to Abhi- this why she called him, hallucinated him many times. I honestly believe Akshara was waiting for him for the last 6 years and every year he didn’t come for her, she got more angry. Because there is a scene in Kasuali after Abhi comes there, where Akshara goes like why should I think about him when he didn’t think about me for the last 6 years.

Second Bold-
Before Abhi arrived in Kasauli, they showed scene of when Abhir was upside down, Akshara had flashbacks of Abhi’s proposals. She remembered Abhi when looking at methidana. When Abhi came to their house first time in Kasauli, Akshara looks at him head to toe and has flashback of their engagement looks.
Then when she came to Udaipur, the first night sleeping at Goenka home, Akshara had dreams of Abhi and her past.
Then the way she ran to Abhi during his accident- even Abhinav said she still has feelings for Abhi and became insecure.
Akshara didn’t willingly move forward in her relationship with Abhinav-Abhi’s accident and Manjiri’s blame, and her family is the reason she did.

Third Bold- the marriage wasn’t real either. They were married on paper just to give Abhir a normal family, Akshara didn’t really see him as a husband- he was just Abhir’s father and her friend the last 6 years.

I perceive Abhimanyu Birla since the first episode as a young man with a very bad temperament. He behaved entitled, he was a control freak (after meeting her, he himself tells, I was in control with my life, but now there is someone to whom I am getting drifted and he decided to take control of that someone) He declared he loves Akshara and since Akshara was behaving shy with puppy eyes staring at him, he decided that she also loves him. He did not propose her, directly went with marriage proposal and the whole angry drama, emotionally stressing her and pushing her to such an edge that she was forced to scream out her feelings. It might appear romantic to a set of audience, but the kind of behaviour Abhimanyu showed is really toxic. It's a red flag. That kind of obsessed love can break the other person in a relation. n top of that he is totally controlled by his mother who is also control freak and manipulative. (I am happy that at least they have toned down his anger and controlling, entitled behaviour post leap, but his mother is still the same)

He was, is and will always be obsessed with his mother and Akshara.

He must have loved her, cared for her and all. I am not saying he takes her as baby making machine. You can be angry, but that does not mean you can throw some one out when they are at their lowest and most vulnerable state. And he did not care to find where she is for 6 long years. Was he angry for 6 years? If yes, then he needs therapy. You can not call it anger, you call it grudges. He held the grudges of Neil death and MC. Let us acknowledge Abhimanyu's role (with Manjari as a team) to push Akshara to such an extent that she had to bring in Abhinav in picture. Had Abhinav been not there to hold her at that time, both Akshara and Abhir (for whom now Manjari is doing drama of happy family) would not have been alive.

Akshara wanted him to come back and take her back. But what did he do? He did not answer calls and asked her not to come back. Only time I felt Akshara still had feelings for Abhimanyu was where he had accident and she ran to him. The fear on her face on loosing his life showed her feelings for him. Abhi--Akshara had a long romantic history, even with her FBs I don't find she having any feelings. To me, it appeared like she knew everything is over between them. And with Arohi engagement, she decided to move on. In my opinion, the whole Birla-Goenka families failed Akshara and Abhimanyu (and Abhir with Abhinav as a collateral damage). Generally in a tough situation like WD, family should have played the role of shock absorber, whereas Birlas started blame game and drama and Goenkas joined the band. No single family member tried to pacify the situation.

@Bold: If Abhimanyu can be angry and cut her off in his anger, Akshara also have every right to be angry with him and decide to not come back to him, isn't it? Only Abhimanyu is not entitled to be angry, isn't it?

Manjari is the biggest hypocrite, shallow minded and most selfish character of the entire series that " crown" must be give to her .... she rocks in those area

Originally posted by: Rosh4rose

Manjari is the biggest hypocrite, shallow minded and most selfish character of the entire series that " crown" must be give to her .... she rocks in those area

Manjari is not only hypocrite, she is selfish to the core, manipulative and controlling. She decides what is good for others (Neil's case and Abhi) and expects others to just obey.

Now Akshara is not listening to what she wants, she is manipulating through an innocent child. She can directly ask Abhimanyu not to marry her, but that will make her look villain in the minds of Abhir and Ruhi. So she decided to manipulate against Akshara and baby.

She is not only vile, she is very shrewd.

I must appreciate the actor portraying Manjari. She is doing a very good job

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

I perceive Abhimanyu Birla since the first episode as a young man with a very bad temperament. He behaved entitled, he was a control freak (after meeting her, he himself tells, I was in control with my life, but now there is someone to whom I am getting drifted and he decided to take control of that someone) He declared he loves Akshara and since Akshara was behaving shy with puppy eyes staring at him, he decided that she also loves him. He did not propose her, directly went with marriage proposal and the whole angry drama, emotionally stressing her and pushing her to such an edge that she was forced to scream out her feelings. It might appear romantic to a set of audience, but the kind of behaviour Abhimanyu showed is really toxic. It's a red flag. That kind of obsessed love can break the other person in a relation. n top of that he is totally controlled by his mother who is also control freak and manipulative. (I am happy that at least they have toned down his anger and controlling, entitled behaviour post leap, but his mother is still the same)

He was, is and will always be obsessed with his mother and Akshara.

He must have loved her, cared for her and all. I am not saying he takes her as baby making machine. You can be angry, but that does not mean you can throw some one out when they are at their lowest and most vulnerable state. And he did not care to find where she is for 6 long years. Was he angry for 6 years? If yes, then he needs therapy. You can not call it anger, you call it grudges. He held the grudges of Neil death and MC. Let us acknowledge Abhimanyu's role (with Manjari as a team) to push Akshara to such an extent that she had to bring in Abhinav in picture. Had Abhinav been not there to hold her at that time, both Akshara and Abhir (for whom now Manjari is doing drama of happy family) would not have been alive.

Akshara wanted him to come back and take her back. But what did he do? He did not answer calls and asked her not to come back. Only time I felt Akshara still had feelings for Abhimanyu was where he had accident and she ran to him. The fear on her face on loosing his life showed her feelings for him. Abhi--Akshara had a long romantic history, even with her FBs I don't find she having any feelings. To me, it appeared like she knew everything is over between them. And with Arohi engagement, she decided to move on. In my opinion, the whole Birla-Goenka families failed Akshara and Abhimanyu (and Abhir with Abhinav as a collateral damage). Generally in a tough situation like WD, family should have played the role of shock absorber, whereas Birlas started blame game and drama and Goenkas joined the band. No single family member tried to pacify the situation.

@Bold: If Abhimanyu can be angry and cut her off in his anger, Akshara also have every right to be angry with him and decide to not come back to him, isn't it? Only Abhimanyu is not entitled to be angry, isn't it?

wonderfully explained!

@bold: IMO, it was not romantic feelings that she had for abhi....it was more of a guilt that she had....abhi had called her multiple times before the accident and she ignored his calls...and he met with an accident...it was more of a guilt that she ignored the multiple calls ...though she wasnot liable to take his calls at all.....

Originally posted by: Lethamukund

Manjari is not only hypocrite, she is selfish to the core, manipulative and controlling. She decides what is good for others (Neil's case and Abhi) and expects others to just obey.

Now Akshara is not listening to what she wants, she is manipulating through an innocent child. She can directly ask Abhimanyu not to marry her, but that will make her look villain in the minds of Abhir and Ruhi. So she decided to manipulate against Akshara and baby.

She is not only vile, she is very shrewd.

I must appreciate the actor portraying Manjari. She is doing a very good job

Yes the actress portraying Manjari actually doing a great job, she appears weak and vulnerable ! Real face is opposite she is even manipulating a small child that to get rid of an " unborn" baby a foetus !

How evil a person can be , yet looks docile