Ak's obsession - Page 5

Originally posted by: NomadicWonders

Just because you said you are watching for the story and so am I. Hence I try to look for everyone’s point of view. I kind of get everyone’s point of view except Ak’s.

She hid away in Kasuali coz it was trauma?

She didn’t want to tell AbhiM about Abhir even after they met by chance in Kasuali - revenge?

She hid the fact that Abhir is AbhiM son from Goenkas even after Abhi found out - fear?

But at last minute she wanted to wake up Bade Papa in middle of the night to tell him when Manjiri found out - manipulation?

Inspite of studying law for 5 years she didn’t know financial circumstances will be dragged in custody battle - dumb, careless?

talking to Abhir about rejecting big house and wearing old shoes - manipulation?

She is a jalebi character to me. And her point of view changes every few episodes and her righteousness changes with circumstances?

Who said she hide in kasauli because of trauma? She hide herself because she don't want to face that people who had mistreated her in her crucial stage. Also she feels content in kasauli.

Revenge word only used by those people who didn't able to find her POV. She was not taking revenge she was scared that Abhimanyu will snatch her only reason of happiness & so what he is doing today.

Law study yes I totally clueless here how she didn't prepare for this if she was preparing herself from long years. Writer write the track as per their convenience without any logic so no argument here.

Not manipulation she is preparing abhi to not get attached with materialistic things. As they are not rich if abhir become use to this than it would be not easy for them. Jo afford nahi kar sakte uski aadat kyun lagwani.

And if AK manipulate abhir than abhi also did the same with Ruhi for his own convenience.

No one is manipulator here as they are taking as per their thought process.

With these things I'm totally blaming the writers... they've really messed up her character

She didn't return to Udaipur not just to avoid AbhiM nd Birlas but also her own family....but not once...not even a silent monologue did she say bade papa uss din aapne bhi mujhe hi Neil ki maut ka zimmedar bna diya...or anything on these lines...then why did she not return to UD AbhiM maharaja thodi hai UD ka..if she wanted to remain incognito nd was disappointed with even Goenkas then why did she always keep them in loop about her well being...so was she even upset with the Goenka's...if not her not returning stops making sense...she returned for Mimi ka b'day.... 6 saal mein Mimi BP kisine b'day nhi manaya...where was the trigger for her to overcome whatever held her back from UD...it would've been so much better if Mimi was really sick nd insisted AK comes to meet her nd asked her to stay back for her b'day...made more sense...Same with her singing she wasn't singing post leap(that was such a core trait of her ckt)...it was never explicitly stated why she won't sing even a lullaby to abhir...cut to she's singing a Bhajan (This was yrkkh USP they had songs for every moment...Oo Kanha was a couple tiff song..now they just make her sing it whenever) when Abhir is sick it wasn't even revealed Abhir had a hole in his heart...first time in 6 years he's fallen sick..trauma nd getting over trauma both had no explanation... they're so much ckt perspective to explore instead they're piling up stupid tracks without closing any

Exactly ! Her character has so many inconsistencies and almost no POV, so mostly, we are just making up theories. At this point, we can view her in light we want to. She still love Abhi, she is in love with Nav, she is in love with no one just wants to keep her family safe, she is manipulating Nav, she is taking revenge etc. But at the end of the day, all I really want is to see her being Abhir's mother. Even in that, lots of people believe she is getting enough SS, and they are showing a good enough bond between mother and son. All because even in the forum, Ak doesn't matter, only Abhi vs Nav does. If we are unhappy about Ak's SS, then we are going against Nav. If we are happy about her relationship with Nav, then we are going against Abhi.

The FL has been lost.

Originally posted by: DevilHere

With these things I'm totally blaming the writers... they've really messed up her character

She didn't return to Udaipur not just to avoid AbhiM nd Birlas but also her own family....but not once...not even a silent monologue did she say bade papa uss din aapne bhi mujhe hi Neil ki maut ka zimmedar bna diya...or anything on these lines...then why did she not return to UD AbhiM maharaja thodi hai UD ka..if she wanted to remain incognito nd was disappointed with even Goenkas then why did she always keep them in loop about her well being...so was she even upset with the Goenka's...if not her not returning stops making sense...she returned for Mimi ka b'day.... 6 saal mein Mimi BP kisine b'day nhi manaya...where was the trigger for her to overcome whatever held her back from UD...it would've been so much better if Mimi was really sick nd insisted AK comes to meet her nd asked her to stay back for her b'day...made more sense...Same with her singing she wasn't singing post leap(that was such a core trait of her ckt)...it was never explicitly stated why she won't sing even a lullaby to abhir...cut to she's singing a Bhajan (This was yrkkh USP they had songs for every moment...Oo Kanha was a couple tiff song..now they just make her sing it whenever) when Abhir is sick it wasn't even revealed Abhir had a hole in his heart...first time in 6 years he's fallen sick..trauma nd getting over trauma both had no explanation... they're so much ckt perspective to explore instead they're piling up stupid tracks without closing any

Your words are true 100%. So I think ur problem is inconsistency. So I am telling how I tolerate these things

1. Throw logic out of the window.

2. Without logic still I could watch the show but without continuity I can't so I do not watch any serial continuously. Just enjoy some particular scene.

Now coming to your points u said she didn't return to the Goenka's but kept them in her loop. So my justification is she is not angry with anyone, she accepted all that things so she kept her herself far from everyone. Goenka's is her family so she kept in her loop kyunki poori tarike se rishta nahi todna tha. Yes she could back to kairav so I do not want to argue. He must have been protected her but I also think ki old kairav was weak. Jis tarah se manjri ne dhakka diya tha AK ko aaj wala kairav to bawal kar deta. No one take stand for her.

Second is singing to wo to aapko behtar pata hai why she left singing. I don't want to explain it. If she left singing abhi also became nastik. She sings again when Abhir was critical & abhi also did the same. Randomly to kuch bhi nahi hua. That mandir confession was closure for them.

Her POV is she just don't want to go back to gorilla because she is content in kasauli. She said many times that she want to go back to kasauli that's mean ki she do not love Abhi anymore. And she also want a proper family for Abhir. Now she is a wife so she also can't cross any line. She was happy in her small world. Nothing else

you're right I've a problem with character inconsistency... it's fine that the show is illogical as long as it's interesting...these days it's not even that

She that' the whole point ik u will have some justification here all of us have different theories..but then they're that just theories we still don't know makers wanted to convey coz these things were never explicitly shown...she could've gone back with BP she made her happy family with Nav much later in those 7 months why not her family if she wasn't even angry nd upset with them...also old ho yaa new the ckt is the same person

As for her singing like I said she stopped singing....My theory would be she stopped singing coz of it being the concert location when the incident happened but then again these r theories...i just wished after she has some monologue about the why...when she started singing i wished there was a discussion even if it was between AkshNav that what has changed for her now

Originally posted by: DevilHere

you're right I've a problem with character inconsistency... it's fine that the show is illogical as long as it's interesting...these days it's not even that

She that' the whole point ik u will have some justification here all of us have different theories..but then they're that just theories we still don't know makers wanted to convey coz these things were never explicitly shown...she could've gone back with BP she made her happy family with Nav much later in those 7 months why not her family if she wasn't even angry nd upset with them...also old ho yaa new the ckt is the same person

As for her singing like I said she stopped singing....My theory would be she stopped singing coz of it being the concert location when the incident happened but then again these r theories...i just wished after she has some monologue about the why...when she started singing i wished there was a discussion even if it was between AkshNav that what has changed for her now

My apologies but I am going to play devil’s advocate here as my point of view is different on this matter. I agree that there are lot of theories about Akshara’s character but I think that is because we are not seeing the ckt shown on screen as is but filling in the bits not shown explicitly or ignoring scenes to suit our narrative of the ckt.

I think if creators are putting something on-screen or not putting something onscreen then that is what they want to show and we should look at ckts based on what is shown through their actions and dialogues.

So here are my reasons for what I said:

Trauma - She didn’t go back to Goenkas when Bade papa came because she thought she won’t be able to bear the hate, accusation and going there would make pregnancy more difficult - scene where she talks to her friend Priya to tell BP that she is ok, she loves them but won’t come back and she wants to be alone. Before she says this to Priya she puts a hand on her tummy and stops mid sentence saying if she goes there..

Revenge - In Kasuali when Abhinav asked Ak to tell Abhi about Abhir, she said “usne meri bhaat tab nahin suni aur ab woh sunna chahega tho bhi mein nahin bhataungi”. That indicates anger and revenge. Hence her unwillingness to tell Abhi.

Fear, trauma, delusion - after confrontion with AbhiM when she was having panic attack in car, her dialogue showed she her delusion by repeated chanting of “me and Abhinav are Abhir’s parents nobody can change that”. Fear, trauma - AbhiM won’t keep quite now, he will take Abhir away. Anyways everyone agrees on these two things.

Manipulation-she didn’t want to tell her family about Abhir’s truth but as soon as Manjiri found she wanted to wake up bade papa in middle of the night to tell him coz she wanted him on her side. Car ride scene back from camp and scene thereafter.

Manipulation again - pretending to be righteous - until the truth was not out, she constantly kept telling AbhiM “choose between Abhir and Ruhi. Stay away from Abhir”. And now when the truth is out, she wants to play fair by dropping Abhir everyday at birla house? I mean what has changed? She changed her view on the matter because that would help her in the court case. Her dialogue to Kv about withdrawing restraining order.

Manipulation again to please Abhinav - shoe scene where she convinces Abhir to wear old shoes. That scene didn’t show her trying to teach kid not to be materialistic but her intention was that he wears old shoes so that Abhinav is not hurt. She takes a pic to Abhir wearing old shoes to send it to Abhinav.

I don’t fast forward or skip scenes because I like to see the details to makeup my view. Also I don’t mind grey character as there are no good or bad people - their actions can be good or bad and that too is based on observer’s view of things.

So based on what I see on screen I find Ak’s character a jalebi ckt whose thinks of herself as righteous but her righteous changes with circumstances and people involved.

Originally posted by: Priyrabha

Who said she hide in kasauli because of trauma? She hide herself because she don't want to face that people who had mistreated her in her crucial stage. Also she feels content in kasauli.

Revenge word only used by those people who didn't able to find her POV. She was not taking revenge she was scared that Abhimanyu will snatch her only reason of happiness & so what he is doing today.

Law study yes I totally clueless here how she didn't prepare for this if she was preparing herself from long years. Writer write the track as per their convenience without any logic so no argument here.

Not manipulation she is preparing abhi to not get attached with materialistic things. As they are not rich if abhir become use to this than it would be not easy for them. Jo afford nahi kar sakte uski aadat kyun lagwani.

And if AK manipulate abhir than abhi also did the same with Ruhi for his own convenience.

No one is manipulator here as they are taking as per their thought process.

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My apologies but I am going to play devil’s advocate here as my point of view is different on this matter. I agree that there are lot of theories about Akshara’s character but I think that is because we are not seeing the ckt shown on screen as is but filling in the bits not shown explicitly or ignoring scenes to suit our narrative of the ckt.

I think if creators are putting something on-screen or not putting something onscreen then that is what they want to show and we should look at ckts based on what is shown through their actions and dialogues.

So here are my reasons for what I said:

Trauma - She didn’t go back to Goenkas when Bade papa came because she thought she won’t be able to bear the hate, accusation and going there would make pregnancy more difficult - scene where she talks to her friend Priya to tell BP that she is ok, she loves them but won’t come back and she wants to be alone. Before she says this to Priya she puts a hand on her tummy and stops mid sentence saying if she goes there..

Revenge - In Kasuali when Abhinav asked Ak to tell Abhi about Abhir, she said “usne meri bhaat tab nahin suni aur ab woh sunna chahega tho bhi mein nahin bhataungi”. That indicates anger and revenge. Hence her unwillingness to tell Abhi.

Fear, trauma, delusion - after confrontion with AbhiM when she was having panic attack in car, her dialogue showed she her delusion by repeated chanting of “me and Abhinav are Abhir’s parents nobody can change that”. Fear, trauma - AbhiM won’t keep quite now, he will take Abhir away. Anyways everyone agrees on these two things.

Manipulation-she didn’t want to tell her family about Abhir’s truth but as soon as Manjiri found she wanted to wake up bade papa in middle of the night to tell him coz she wanted him on her side. Car ride scene back from camp and scene thereafter.

Manipulation again - pretending to be righteous - until the truth was not out, she constantly kept telling AbhiM “choose between Abhir and Ruhi. Stay away from Abhir”. And now when the truth is out, she wants to play fair by dropping Abhir everyday at birla house? I mean what has changed? She changed her view on the matter because that would help her in the court case. Her dialogue to Kv about withdrawing restraining order.

Manipulation again to please Abhinav - shoe scene where she convinces Abhir to wear old shoes. That scene didn’t show her trying to teach kid not to be materialistic but her intention was that he wears old shoes so that Abhinav is not hurt. She takes a pic to Abhir wearing old shoes to send it to Abhinav.

I don’t fast forward or skip scenes because I like to see the details to makeup my view. Also I don’t mind grey character as there are no good or bad people - their actions can be good or bad and that too is based on observer view of things.

So based on what I see on screen I find Ak’s character a jalebi ckt whose thinks of herself as righteous but her righteous changes with circumstances and people involved.

Originally posted by: NomadicWonders

My apologies but I am going to play devil’s advocate here as my point of view is different on this matter. I agree that there are lot of theories about Akshara’s character but I think that is because we are not seeing the ckt shown on screen as is but filling in the bits not shown explicitly or ignoring scenes to suit our narrative of the ckt.

I think if creators are putting something on-screen or not putting something onscreen then that is what they want to show and we should look at ckts based on what is shown through their actions and dialogues.

So here are my reasons for what I said:

Trauma - She didn’t go back to Goenkas when Bade papa came because she thought she won’t be able to bear the hate, accusation and going there would make pregnancy more difficult - scene where she talks to her friend Priya to tell BP that she is ok, she loves them but won’t come back and she wants to be alone. Before she says this to Priya she puts a hand on her tummy and stops mid sentence saying if she goes there..

Revenge - In Kasuali when Abhinav asked Ak to tell Abhi about Abhir, she said “usne meri bhaat tab nahin suni aur ab woh sunna chahega tho bhi mein nahin bhataungi”. That indicates anger and revenge. Hence her unwillingness to tell Abhi.

Fear, trauma, delusion - after confrontion with AbhiM when she was having panic attack in car, her dialogue showed she her delusion by repeated chanting of “me and Abhinav are Abhir’s parents nobody can change that”. Fear, trauma - AbhiM won’t keep quite now, he will take Abhir away. Anyways everyone agrees on these two things.

Manipulation-she didn’t want to tell her family about Abhir’s truth but as soon as Manjiri found she wanted to wake up bade papa in middle of the night to tell him coz she wanted him on her side. Car ride scene back from camp and scene thereafter.

Manipulation again - pretending to be righteous - until the truth was not out, she constantly kept telling AbhiM “choose between Abhir and Ruhi. Stay away from Abhir”. And now when the truth is out, she wants to play fair by dropping Abhir everyday at birla house? I mean what has changed? She changed her view on the matter because that would help her in the court case. Her dialogue to Kv about withdrawing restraining order.

Manipulation again to please Abhinav - shoe scene where she convinces Abhir to wear old shoes. That scene didn’t show her trying to teach kid not to be materialistic but her intention was that he wears old shoes so that Abhinav is not hurt. She takes a pic to Abhir wearing old shoes to send it to Abhinav.

I don’t fast forward or skip scenes because I like to see the details to makeup my view. Also I don’t mind grey character as there are no good or bad people - their actions can be good or bad and that too is based on observer’s view of things.

So based on what I see on screen I find Ak’s character a jalebi ckt whose thinks of herself as righteous but her righteous changes with circumstances and people involved.

Absolutely agree with everything here. But again, this is your interpretation, not what is explicitly shown. More importantly, if these scenes exist, so do scenes that show the exact opposite or that can be interpreted differently.

Trauma - Most people agree that she didn't go back because of trauma, infact she refused to even meet BP cause she knew if she saw him, she would break down and then be unable to control her future. At that point, all she wanted was agency over her own life. But......there are contrasting scenes, where she is calling Abhi and waiting for him to come to her. Won't Abhi also take away this agency? Another interpretation is guilt, she didn't go back because of her guilt and being unable to face those people. But again, nothing explicitly tells us this. Its all just theories.

Revenge and Fear - I think these are tied. All of her actions with Abhir's truth can be either revenge on Abhi or fear that Abhi will destroy her happy family and Abhir's happiness. Another big fear is that Abhir's trust in his parents will be broken. There are some scenes where you can clearly see she is taking revenge, especially when before Abhi got to know the truth, she kept pointing out at Abhir is her and Nav's son and Abhi is just a stranger. But again, can be interpreted as her fear acting up.

The issue is, that if it is revenge it is Ak's fault, but if it is fear, it becomes Abhi's fault for making her so afraid of him.

Manipulation: Lol, I have had this issue on the forum from the beginning. People don't like the word manipulation, and it is explained in a myriad of ways, including parenting, being a good partner, being a good person, etc etc.

Ak has always been a character with very less POV, but after the leap this is exaggerated. More importantly, her POV seems to just be about Nav now. I have no issues with a wife supporting her husband. But in all of this, her own POV is getting lost. Even though pranali is an excellent actress, just going by her expressions is hard. For example, after the first Udaipur trip, she is shown to be very happy with Nav which is in stark contrast to before that trip. People can say she finally realized her love for him. But then, if you see closely, every time she turns away from Nav, her expression changes. In the feeding ladoo scene, she was sad/anxious after her talk with Abhi, but she quickly masked it for Abhinav. Even in yesterday's episode, she looks all smiles with Nav, but the moment she turns away, she is tensed and trying to pull it together. Its all mixed messages.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Absolutely agree with everything here. But again, this is your interpretation, not what is explicitly shown. More importantly, if these scenes exist, so do scenes that show the exact opposite or that can be interpreted differently.

Trauma - Most people agree that she didn't go back because of trauma, infact she refused to even meet BP cause she knew if she saw him, she would break down and then be unable to control her future. At that point, all she wanted was agency over her own life. But......there are contrasting scenes, where she is calling Abhi and waiting for him to come to her. Won't Abhi also take away this agency? Another interpretation is guilt, she didn't go back because of her guilt and being unable to face those people. But again, nothing explicitly tells us this. Its all just theories.

Revenge and Fear - I think these are tied. All of her actions with Abhir's truth can be either revenge on Abhi or fear that Abhi will destroy her happy family and Abhir's happiness. Another big fear is that Abhir's trust in his parents will be broken. There are some scenes where you can clearly see she is taking revenge, especially when before Abhi got to know the truth, she kept pointing out at Abhir is her and Nav's son and Abhi is just a stranger. But again, can be interpreted as her fear acting up.

The issue is, that if it is revenge it is Ak's fault, but if it is fear, it becomes Abhi's fault for making her so afraid of him.

Manipulation: Lol, I have had this issue on the forum from the beginning. People don't like the word manipulation, and it is explained in a myriad of ways, including parenting, being a good partner, being a good person, etc etc.

Ak has always been a character with very less POV, but after the leap this is exaggerated. More importantly, her POV seems to just be about Nav now. I have no issues with a wife supporting her husband. But in all of this, her own POV is getting lost. Even though pranali is an excellent actress, just going by her expressions is hard. For example, after the first Udaipur trip, she is shown to be very happy with Nav which is in stark contrast to before that trip. People can say she finally realized her love for him. But then, if you see closely, every time she turns away from Nav, her expression changes. In the feeding ladoo scene, she was sad/anxious after her talk with Abhi, but she quickly masked it for Abhinav. Even in yesterday's episode, she looks all smiles with Nav, but the moment she turns away, she is tensed and trying to pull it together. Its all mixed messages.

why do you say it’s my interpretation and not what is shown, I am going by dialogues and scenes shown to understand the ckt, so it’s not my perceived view of the ckt. Can you recall which scenes show contradictory view?

As regards to guilt, I agree it’s just a theory-I haven’t so far seen Ak say or do anything that shows guilt. In all her confrontations with AbhiM she expresses hurt, loss by saying in summary - “if you lost, I lost the same things. But you didn’t see my pain”. This gives me a view that she really doesn’t understand or consider the conflict AbhiM went through when Neil died and thought his anger was misplaced. Hence I think there is no guilt on her part but just sense of loss. May be writers could add this layer in future through flashback or some realisation.

Fear and revenge - I think it is bit of both. I explicitly pointed out revenge because the post I was replying to said it’s not revenge and it’s just fear, and I am terming Aks actions as revenge because I don’t get AKs point of view. More than whose fault - it is the view that revenge is a vice and not a virtue. And Ak being a FL, how can she do that, hence fear it is. Same with manipulation.

Extract from your post - “Ak has always been a character with very less POV…. her POV seems to just be about Nav now… her own POV is getting lost” - her POV seems to be about Nav because that is what she is thinking and prioritising, isn’t that a POV? May be not what you expect from her or want her to do. But Ak as a ckt wants to do that - give more importance to Nav and his insecurities than her struggles.

I have so much to talk about her but i have no energy or patience 🤔 Her act of justifying Abhinav's act is pathetic because she herself knows internally that Abhinav is obsessed to win Abhir by showing money or showing his world's best PAPA. But she will deny it and boost his ego. God forbids if abhin risks abhir life due to his ignorance will she ever be able to forgive herself?

Parents will be more careful when they have already has incidents where they almost lost their kids. Forget about Abhi and nav. Akshu is part of all incidents she should be more careful towards abhir.

1. Jungle Act

2. Miscarried and then realized he is alive.

3. Toofani Raath

4. First surgery

5. Hospital Incident.

6. Roohi pulling Abhir.

7. Nav Act

8. Now he will be in the hospital and will have his surgery.