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Posted: 14 years ago
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When a man falls in love, or in this case married a girl, is it not obvious that he will change and move slightly away from the other relations? He is someone else now, responsibility changes people too. If mother's fail to realize this, how can misunderstandings not happen? It is not that lack of love is present, it is just perhaps the situation around him has evolved, and how he is a different person. After all he is a human being at the end.

Akshara always had a very sheltered life. Very lucky ofcourse, she had a sheltered life as well as a good man who bears with her own judgment of what life is supposed to mean.


Also ofcourse, she does seem to be satisfied with her life as it is. It seems she must be custom made for this. Otherwise, I wonder why never separate living ever came to their minds, and they could all still be one family
😛. Oh no I'm not so bad 😃, I was just wondering as they all seem to have such opposing views over each other sometimes. 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi

When a man falls in love, or in this case married a girl, is it not obvious that he will change and move slightly away from the other relations? He is someone else now, responsibility changes people too. If mother's fail to realize this, how can misunderstandings not happen? It is not that lack of love is present, it is just perhaps the situation around him has evolved, and how he is a different person. After all he is a human being at the end.

Akshara always had a very sheltered life. Very lucky ofcourse, she had a sheltered life as well as a good man who bears with her own judgment of what life is supposed to mean.


Also ofcourse, she does seem to be satisfied with her life as it is. It seems she must be custom made for this. Otherwise, I wonder why never separate living ever came to their minds, and they could all still be one family
😛. Oh no I'm not so bad 😃, I was just wondering as they all seem to have such opposing views over each other sometimes. 😊


exactly..you've echoed my thoughts..how is it possible that a person doesn't change? with time, age, company, environment, all of us evolve...if bhainsa and dino are so much against doing anything new, why r they using the new age products? cell phone, cars etc? why didn't bhainsa come in a bullock cart instead of train? why don't they use postcards instead of cell phones? or even better, go to dark ages or early man era !

all of us are so much immersed in our lives that we ourselves dun know when we change...marriage is a big event of everybody's life..it changes not only the couples's life but their families too...another big event are the kids...ur life takes a U turn everytime..husband and wife dun get time for each other, yahan toh maata doesn't find time for naitik abhi se ! no bache no responsibility aur ye haal hai..in a house full of maids and servants, maate has the handle everything on her own..from jaale utarna to cooking, serving, cleaning, dusting, pooja, and the list goes on..husband is at the bottom of priority list..he can wait while kitchen cannot...what a life ! and akshara is enjoying it as if she's sitting in heavan....

alag khana banane ke naam par gayitri was fuming like a red bull, God knows what will happen if naitik thinks of seperation..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Akshara's character went for a toss after marriage.. Yes, we never complained initially thinking with each track, probably she'll get better..but NO..
i hav just one question to ask DIMRI... wht does this convey??? it definitely doesnt show reality ....fine, its a joint family, everyone needs to adjust....But, by not giving time to ur husband.... Why does she always hav to please everyone???😕... maa kya soch rahi hain, maa ko bura laga, DJ ko bura laga.. for god sake, why cant she have a stand of her own? tht "Call me munni" thing was ridiculous...🤢...why is she being so despo?😕....
im tired of thos dialogues, aap kyun nahi samajte naitik, sabko kitna bura lagega.. its CRAP!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I wonder if they show this idea of a separate possibility creeping into his mind 😃, but then she might retaliate and even say that he may go but she won't be leaving all her in-laws! Imagine if she says that among all the in-laws, which would be quite insulting to him (I wonder if I calculated all accordingly, as I think it should be insulting to grown up man being denied of something this big).

Akshara's priority is very different, and I think if its not realistic (as many of you suggest), then its also un-Indian or primitive? But just today someone told me its not uncommon in India!

Quite amusing though, for someone who've known India for just a few months 😆😃, quite frankly initially everything threatened me in India (not this serial that I am talking about). But I can see that while we adjust to things, everything and everyone seem quite willing to adjust to us too 😊. But the point is perhaps "expectations" from a person.

Akshara, being an Indian woman has a huge burden of expectations on her (as I could figure from the situation of my lovely sister in law who will be married soon). She is supposed to be doing many things which perhaps a girl from Europe or other western countries are least expected to do.

When I touched my mother-in-laws feet in the traditional Indian way, her smile and the smile of people around her in the airport was big and wholesome, and they took it so warmly, that I noticed it made alot of difference. But when my sister-in-law touches the feet of an elder, the reaction of satisfaction is not extra-ordinary, but very casual. Maybe this is the natural way life goes on? ... Maybe if we think of Akshara from our perspective, or from my perspective (which would be nuts as I'm not even Indian 😆), then the picture will be quite unreal!

But, as the world becomes more open and people learn from each other, see each other ... even realize the values of each other ... the security of being only yourself is not there anymore. Atleast this is how I find it. We need to evolve, otherwise we might end up on the losers list while people around us moves too far ahead, and we realize oneday that the gap is too wide to cover.

Naitik seems quite westernized in certain ways. He is a responsible and loving husband, but perhaps Akshara is yet to adjust herself with him? While he seems to be atleast trying.





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Posted: 14 years ago
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^^ i certainly agree abt touching an elder's feet ..tht is india😃 ..so all of us love wen we see a smile on our elders's face 😊.. In real, atleast from wht i know, ppl now dont suppress their feelings,as in right or wrong, we try saying wht we feel...In singhania zoo, if you put across your point, that is said to be going against the elders...wen naitik asked gayatri not to call him munna, it was made a big deal...why?
Akshara too is scared of tht fact, so she doesnt bother to speak up...She just agrees with whatever thy say..N naitik has always been quite vocal, thts the best part abt him..😃

i can nly say, the family is weird... DIMRI shud hav kept characters consistent... DJ's is not... He has diff rules for his daughter and DIL...why do thy forget akshara's also some1 else's daughter...?

I kinda know its the youth in me talking, cuz elders find the track really gud... but i think its about to bring in changes... We have a modern India..!!

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Posted: 14 years ago
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#sia.k_1: What is DIMRI? 😊 (ah everytime I feel I'm getting some hold on Hindi, something comes up saying I know nothing ).

Yes the touching of feet thing was something he didn't teach me (but he ofcourse keep giving me tips, this one he missed), but I learnt it from the internet 😎, and gave all a surprise . But this is not what I highlighted, the thing was "expectation". I tried to say that when it was me, it was something very different (atleast clearly visible) than when it is my sister in law (who is an Indian). Ofcourse in both cases they are pleased ... but the magnitudes and affect which lasts is something very different. If you read that para again you will see, I tried to describe that. I think Akshara has massive expectations in her back.

This difference of treatment to your son's wife and own daughter is something not uncommon anywhere. It is natural too I feel. In this case Akshara is on the losing end, but in many cases I'm sure (I can naturally recall my case most clearly) the daughter in law is also sometimes benefited. Perhaps again, expectations from the person differs. Human perspective is designed like this. The Indian girl is perhaps expected to behave in certain ways, and her such behavior is taken as granted, however anything other than that might create lots of negativity. However, imagine a western girl (white, Catholic) who did perhaps 10% of the Indian things, and it is something not so expected of her, it makes quite a difference, quite a visible difference changing the course of affections!! (beautifully so ofcourse 😃, who won't love it?).

In the beginning I would come over to the sitting room and stuff myself closer to my husband, pull my legs up on the sofa and be cosy leaning my head on his shoulders, holding his arm (not to mention I noticed he got shy 😆). It is something natural to me. But when I realized that it was something offensive, and sat at a distance from next day, and putting my legs down when my father in law or mother in law were around ... or sat near my sister in law (not hugging her 😃), it made a difference. Little things brought me closer to my mother in law. I appreciate things I learnt, and affection need not be displayed among all, is a good thing I want to keep.

However, I was not attacked for it. Imagine had my sister in law did something like this in her in-laws place (where she will need to live in ... another really unusual thing for me), will it be taken easily and a second chance given so simply?

Also no one minds me wearing my shirts. t-shirts ... pants (ofcourse I don't wear shorts in here, I am not so silly 😃, neither do I wear it back home in public, but in home ofcourse with my husband as the only other guy). But I wonder if people will be ok with my sister in law doing the same in her in laws place.

My calculation says, its all about EXPECTATIONS ... you meet the expectations, no one turns around and looks, they are normal. You go above the expectations, they turn in joy and appreciation. You go below the expectations, the STORM heads towards you ... 😆.



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Posted: 14 years ago
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^ DIMRI is not a hindi word😆 she's the YRKKH creative...

Ah. tht was a lovely explanation..some things went above my head(me in 12th😆,not an excuse though😉)..but i do understand some points u mentioned as i too lived in a joint family for quite some time...luckily, my mom was treated as a daughter......😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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So your mom must be the lucky one 😊. I don't live in the joint family, just my first visit to India after my marriage with him, and also my sister-in-laws marriage is due. I've been married for 3 years now (it is the 4th year), and he came India after all 5 years! Also we plan to have a special gift of the Lord for us now 😊. So it is a good reason for a long stay, and will stay a few months more till her marriage. Wonderful taste of everything I got, better than expectation 😃!!!




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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi

#sia.k_1: What is DIMRI? 😊 (ah everytime I feel I'm getting some hold on Hindi, something comes up saying I know nothing ).

Yes the touching of feet thing was something he didn't teach me (but he ofcourse keep giving me tips, this one he missed), but I learnt it from the internet 😎, and gave all a surprise . But this is not what I highlighted, the thing was "expectation". I tried to say that when it was me, it was something very different (atleast clearly visible) than when it is my sister in law (who is an Indian). Ofcourse in both cases they are pleased ... but the magnitudes and affect which lasts is something very different. If you read that para again you will see, I tried to describe that. I think Akshara has massive expectations in her back.

This difference of treatment to your son's wife and own daughter is something not uncommon anywhere. It is natural too I feel. In this case Akshara is on the losing end, but in many cases I'm sure (I can naturally recall my case most clearly) the daughter in law is also sometimes benefited. Perhaps again, expectations from the person differs. Human perspective is designed like this. The Indian girl is perhaps expected to behave in certain ways, and her such behavior is taken as granted, however anything other than that might create lots of negativity. However, imagine a western girl (white, Catholic) who did perhaps 10% of the Indian things, and it is something not so expected of her, it makes quite a difference, quite a visible difference changing the course of affections!! (beautifully so ofcourse 😃, who won't love it?).

In the beginning I would come over to the sitting room and stuff myself closer to my husband, pull my legs up on the sofa and be cosy leaning my head on his shoulders, holding his arm (not to mention I noticed he got shy 😆). It is something natural to me. But when I realized that it was something offensive, and sat at a distance from next day, and putting my legs down when my father in law or mother in law were around ... or sat near my sister in law (not hugging her 😃), it made a difference. Little things brought me closer to my mother in law. I appreciate things I learnt, and affection need not be displayed among all, is a good thing I want to keep.

However, I was not attacked for it. Imagine had my sister in law did something like this in her in-laws place (where she will need to live in ... another really unusual thing for me), will it be taken easily and a second chance given so simply?

Also no one minds me wearing my shirts. t-shirts ... pants (ofcourse I don't wear shorts in here, I am not so silly 😃, neither do I wear it back home in public, but in home ofcourse with my husband as the only other guy). But I wonder if people will be ok with my sister in law doing the same in her in laws place.

My calculation says, its all about EXPECTATIONS ... you meet the expectations, no one turns around and looks, they are normal. You go above the expectations, they turn in joy and appreciation. You go below the expectations, the STORM heads towards you ... 😆.




i understand what you're trying to say..i so much agree with you...westerners have a completely diff. image of India in their mind and i've heard that they r surprised when they see so much modernism creeping into our culture..it's a reality..our society is evolving and tv serials hardly project the REAL women of today !

Indian families and Indian homes r very complicated...yes, there are tons of expectations specially from the girl but it's upto the girl herself how she deals with it....few of them bow down, few resist, few adjust and few of them does a mixture of all this according to the situation 😃 therez a vast difference in the thinking of ppl. 50 yrs back and now..at that time, girls were not allowed to study, they were not asked their permission to get married..but now, parents have become so much aware, they want to educate the girl child bec. they know it's gonna help her in the future..they r not dependent anymore...they have their own thinking ...after marriage, the in laws too r adjusting...now u will find a lot of ppl. who'd like to have a working girl as their DIL so that she contributes in the family income...cooking, cleaning, raising kids etc.
is not the only expectation from married girls....

touching the feet of elders is just a form of greeting...like hello or namaste or hugging...and i find it very convinient...toh i never complained about it...

of course, in conservatives families, the bahu will be expected to do everything the way in laws tell her...and most of the time, there will be a clash b/w 2 generations in such households...coz the new gen. will obviously not like these old customs.....frm there, the problem starts...the girl is in dilemma as to who she should support..whether she should do what her husband likes or what her in laws like ! the solutions that WE offer , that akshara must do this n that, they will prolly not work out with everyone 😃 bec. every person's POV is diff..some ppl. r more adjusting than others....prolly the best solution is to deal with every problem individually...sometimes do what u feel is right, sometimes follow ur husband's order, sometimes do as ur in laws say...akshara however does only the last one toh all of us r 😲 whether she belongs to this generation or no ! can u believe she refused to watch movies or go out with her husband bec. her in laws don't like it?

as a bahu, yes, i can relate to akshara's problems...after marriage, i realized that the girl has to develop a diff. relation & understanding with her MIL, just like akshara...the husband must not interfere ...BUT at the same time, there should be a bonding b/w husband and wife also..understanding b/w them at a diff. level in which the influence of in laws must not be there...which is absent in akshara n naitik's relation...bec. akshara never let it happen...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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#_charu_: Yes, in India many things are changing. But I can only hope the good things and some of the values don't change.

May be then as someone said, it is something that depends on each family or individual, but in an aggregate way, there are certain obligations (sometimes good, sometimes a little excessive) which are generally carried out. My sister in law wanted to carry on her Master studies but then the marriage needed to come first. She was given the opportunity to select her liking, but there was an obligation of marriage which was to take priority above her Master studies. It is of course an arranged marriage in Indian style.

You know, arranged marriages are not really non-existent atleast in Poland (and I believe in other European countries as well). But it is of a different nature. Sometimes the aunts or the elder relatives (if any) arrange a date for a preferred boy and their daughter, so that they get to know each other and perhaps consider a life together as a pair. In this of course the end decision is with the girl or the boy. Which kind of man she wants, or which kind of woman he wants.

I read somewhere in this forum about the possibility of Indian men not wanting their wives to be working after marriage is about 50-50. If it is so, I think its normal? ... If he is respectful of her, and he thinks that he can bear the expenses of the household and needs her to assist him in managing the expenditure, children, purchases etc then I find no harm there personally. Ofcourse, she should be free to chose the man for her freely (just as he should be free to chose the woman who can suit him). Also, if necessity arises, it should be natural that she would also work and participate in the income to support their family, this can be an understanding which is not only fare but very practical for him too, and their family (which belongs equally to him and her, and thus priority is to keep it functional).

As for Akshara now, she is not only bound by expectations, but she have lived a very sheltered life. In such instances, the first thing that comes to her mind is the shelter perhaps. While Naitik, being such a nice man, ends up bearing this distance from her. I for one cannot think of such a mindset or circumstance, but I am me and she is a fictional character representing a very traditional Indian girl? (many ofcourse said that she do not represent anything, while others say she definitely does).

However, Naitik does bear her, but never in joy. He seems to be getting more insecure, and needs a life partner who is not so submissive or detached from him. He is quite modern in his approach to life too. Akshara perhaps would need to realize that her relationship with her husband is not doing particularly well, although it looks warm enough due to the values each of them hold. But if hearts get distanced, then what good will Akshara's in-laws be to her?

Wonder if Naitik asks for a separate living, I presume she will outright refuse and might add some drama by refusing to come with him infront of all those rigid people 😆. I can read the trend of attitudes so well eh 😎😃. But that would be humiliating to him, and in such a condition if he reconsiders his life, will that be abnormal? She needs to hold on to her life soon perhaps, and evaluate what is supposed to be what for her.

Respect and tradition is great and beautiful, but the world evolves, and so does people in it ... and if the person she is supposed to be in love has evolved, she might start thinking of adjusting with his needs too. His needs are not abnormal either.
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