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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: priya_nka_yudkb

1. Isse to achha hota ki Sameer sanyas le leta...

Seriously??? It was so selfish.. I can get engaged and married as per my family's wish but you can't be with someone else??? Like really???

2. Preeti Meri Hanumaan.
Why Hanumaan?? Why not say Lakshman or something else?? I don't know why but I just didn't like Preeti being called Hanumaan cause I feel, their relationship is not that of Ram and Hanumaan. In that relationship one is superior to other. It is not an equal relationship.. why would you call your sister as your Hanumaan??


I agree to both the things you pointed.It pinched me too.

The first statement especially seemed so unabashedly selfish.It is so selfish,not just because of what she felt then.It is more selfish because she is saying it now with the same feeling .It again brings to light her inherent character..an extremely self centred girl. Naina is ok if Sameer takes sanyaas,she is ok if he cries himself to death,why she might be ok if he even committed suicide...But moving on..No,how dare he commit that crime?😡..It is like Sameer is her possession and she can do what she wants with him,but he cannot do hos own thing ever.

I would also like to point out that whenever he talks about his follies,Sameer's vo always says things like "Khud ko ek thappad marna chahiye tha" or "Main khud kaayar tha,Sunaina ke peeche chup raha tha" or "Pata nahin kya soch raha tha".In other words, the VO shows regret for what he deems as wrong behaviour.But Naina's VO does not show regret even once(not even when she left Sameer hanging dry for her family).

2)Yes the second statement too smacked of superiority.To me it seems like Naina is the hapless Sita sitting in Ashok Vatika and Preeti is her hanuman/Naina is draupadi and Preeti her Krishna..But Naina as Ram,no way.

Nice points brought up 👍🏼
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

For the first one ...she is disgusted with the fact that he fell in love with her so easily...from her point of view she broke away from him thinking that she will not have the courage to stand up for him and ...we all think she accepted the marriage proposal...but reality is she NEVER ACCEPT...in fact NO ONE BOTHERED TO ASK FOR HER OPINION!! So from her point of view ...she cant understand how some one could easily fall in love with another person...


Second point ...I loved the fact that she called Preethi as Hanuman and not Lakshman. The relationship between Lord Rama and God Hanuman is very unique. They are not just LORD AND DEVOTEE...its beyond that ...

Once when Lord Ram asked How do you look upon me?
Then God Hanuman said " When I think myself as a body , then I am your servant . When I think I am a soul , then I am a spark from your eternal light and when I see myself through vision of truth, I see Myself as you...we are one and the same

Its the last line that is the most important point , when it comes to vision of truth , God Hanuman sees himself as Ram which means that their thoughts are always the same and when the thoughts are the same, to some extant they would agree of every act as well. Which also means if someone tries to hurt LORD RAM, it will be like hurting him. His Lord's survival is his survival. His Lords smile is his smile. His Lords happiness is his happiness. That is the emotional connect between Lord Ram and God Hanuman.

Where as Lakshman loves Ram, his devotion has a different layer . Would he not sacrifice his life for his brother ??of course he would !!...but the reason behind is to protect his brother.

Well this something that I have heard from the older folks of my house I don't know the authenticity of these stories...I just thought I should tell you why I liked Naina's statement...


So calling Preethi Hanuman meant Preethi will do anything for Naina's happiness...she can also be the one who put some sense into Sameer ...Hanuman was Ram Dooth ...this is another point we shouldn't forget... 😉


Hi, How are you doing?😊Very insightful point on the second aspect,Ram Hanuman👏👏

But I differ slightly in my opinion on the first point.If I was Naina,I would have been genuinely happy that the person I loved is at least making an attempt to move on and start over again.A third person might be disgusted to see that he is making the same promises to Sunaina.But as the person who dumped him and left him helpless in the mid ocean,shouldn't she be happy that he is at least trying(even if falsely) to move on?

As an analogy,suppose I am sailing in a boat with someone and I suddenly push them into the waves saying there is no place for you in the boat(because my family is going to sit with me in the same boat).Now the person has two choices,take a lift from another person in the boat or sink to the bottom of the ocean.Now shouldn't I be happy if he takes a lift from someone?Would it be justified for me to think that he would rather sink than take a lift?


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

For the first one ...she is disgusted with the fact that he fell in love with her so easily...from her point of view she broke away from him thinking that she will not have the courage to stand up for him and ...we all think she accepted the marriage proposal...but reality is she NEVER ACCEPT...in fact NO ONE BOTHERED TO ASK FOR HER OPINION!! So from her point of view ...she cant understand how some one could easily fall in love with another person...


Second point ...I loved the fact that she called Preethi as Hanuman and not Lakshman. The relationship between Lord Rama and God Hanuman is very unique. They are not just LORD AND DEVOTEE...its beyond that ...

Once when Lord Ram asked How do you look upon me?
Then God Hanuman said " When I think myself as a body , then I am your servant . When I think I am a soul , then I am a spark from your eternal light and when I see myself through vision of truth, I see Myself as you...we are one and the same

Its the last line that is the most important point , when it comes to vision of truth , God Hanuman sees himself as Ram which means that their thoughts are always the same and when the thoughts are the same, to some extant they would agree of every act as well. Which also means if someone tries to hurt LORD RAM, it will be like hurting him. His Lord's survival is his survival. His Lords smile is his smile. His Lords happiness is his happiness. That is the emotional connect between Lord Ram and God Hanuman.

Where as Lakshman loves Ram, his devotion has a different layer . Would he not sacrifice his life for his brother ??of course he would !!...but the reason behind is to protect his brother.

Well this something that I have heard from the older folks of my house I don't know the authenticity of these stories...I just thought I should tell you why I liked Naina's statement...


So calling Preethi Hanuman meant Preethi will do anything for Naina's happiness...she can also be the one who put some sense into Sameer ...Hanuman was Ram Dooth ...this is another point we shouldn't forget... 😉


Very well explained!! Thanks!👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Did she for once regretted getting married or thought about it in show ...??..
Yes thinking of sameer becoming sanyasi was selfish act and below the belt..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I agree with the beautiful explanation for the second point as Hanuman's bond was selfless.
On the first point i think you all did not understand it well..Naina knows Sameer cannot move on so he is just showing his anger by starting a relationship with Shoe but she also knows how it feels to be betrayed in love as she has gone through the bet phase..she knows the pain and so was unhappy because it's spoiling 2 life's. Sanyasi was better as it will not drag Sam to the path of destruction..if you observe carefully then she is just following what her family wants her to do, no questions asked or no protests made, also no false promises made to Sharad she will just follow things and be the puppet. Yes she needs to snap out but that is a different discussion. I don't find her selfish here..
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: rock&roll



Hi, How are you doing?😊Very insightful point on the second aspect,Ram Hanuman👏👏

But I differ slightly in my opinion on the first point.If I was Naina,I would have been genuinely happy that the person I loved is at least making an attempt to move on and start over again.A third person might be disgusted to see that he is making the same promises to Sunaina.But as the person who dumped him and left him helpless in the mid ocean,shouldn't she be happy that he is at least trying(even if falsely) to move on?

As an analogy,suppose I am sailing in a boat with someone and I suddenly push them into the waves saying there is no place for you in the boat(because my family is going to sit with me in the same boat).Now the person has two choices,take a lift from another person in the boat or sink to the bottom of the ocean.Now shouldn't I be happy if he takes a lift from someone?Would it be justified for me to think that he would rather sink than take a lift?


Well , I guess that's were we differ in our thought , I don't see her pushing him out of the boat , I see her jumping into the water as she wants Sameer to be happy. She is doing the same thing that Sameer did to her after listening to dhadhi...but for a different reason.. there he feared his presence will cause pain to her and here she feels that her lack of courage to stand up for him will hurt him...

Though her calculation went for a toss with the marriage proposal which eventually lead to Sameer moving on with a new girl...

Sometimes we take decisions for others thinking that it is good for them and it backfires...as parents many a times we do take decisions for our kids too . Some of those decisions kids don't agree , still we go ahead ...and that's exactly what Naina also did...she went ahead thinking it was right for Sameer.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

Well , I guess that's were we differ in our thought , I don't see her pushing him out of the boat , I see her jumping into the water as she wants Sameer to be happy. She is doing the same thing that Sameer did to her after listening to dhadhi...but for a different reason.. there he feared his presence will cause pain to her and here she feels that her lack of courage to stand up for him will hurt him...

Though her calculation went for a toss with the marriage proposal which eventually lead to Sameer moving on with a new girl...

Sometimes we take decisions for others thinking that it is good for them and it backfires...as parents many a times we do take decisions for our kids too . Some of those decisions kids don't agree , still we go ahead ...and that's exactly what Naina also did...she went ahead thinking it was right for Sameer.


Interesting points made.I agree with some points you have brought up,especially when you say that she has jumped into the water.True,When two people are in love and one is in trouble,the other ,by default,is also in trouble.So I would say both Sameer and Naina are currently battling the waves of the ocean of life.

In fact,comparing it purely from a pov of how difficult the struggle is,I would say Naina's struggle appears more difficult(at least to me,but I could be missing something).However,there is a slight difference.

How difficult/easy we find the struggles of life,heavily depends on(besides other things) on how we got into that situation.There are three possibilities here:

1) If a person is facing a difficult phase on account of his/her decision,then it makes the situation a little easier to handle.This is because they know that they and they only are responsible for the situation they are in.

2) If they are facing a difficulty because they have been forced to make the decision for the happiness/peace/honour of someone they love,it is difficult but makes the situation a bit tolerable.Reason is that they know that though they have sacrificed their lives,the people they love are happy.So the sacrificer gets something (peace of mind,satisfaction)in return.

3) The third and worst situation is when someone forces a decision on a person and the person doesn't agree with this decision at all .The consequences of such a decision are extremely difficult to handle for anyone.The reason is that the person is suffering for no fault of theirs.The person concerned is likely to feel wronged/betrayed/taken advantage of.

Naina is in situation 2.A decision has been forced on her(her marriage),but she has the satisfaction of knowing that it will bring happiness and honour to her family.She is also partly between situation 2 and 1,when she cut off relations with Sameer.She made the decision(putting her in situation 1),but the decision was made for family honour(situation 2).Overall,Naina has the satisfaction of knowing that she is upholding her family's happiness and honour at all costs.This gives her strength for her struggles.

Sameer is in situation 3.He has been punished for no fault of his.This makes his struggle that much more difficult.

This is completely different from the situation of parents making decisions for their kids.Parents are adults and make hence have a reasonable right to make decisions for their children,esp minor children,who are incapable of thinking clearly for themselves.They have taken care of their children from birth.But more importantly,if the decision backfires,the child will turn back to the same parent for the first line of support and parents unquestioningly and unconditionally provide that support for a lifetime.But when our peers make decisions for us,it is not the same.Why,even if a husband imposes his decision on his wife,the wife finds it difficult to accept it.This happens even though they are life partners and the husband will support his wife through the consequences of that decision.Still,the wife feels used and taken advantage of.In such a situation,when Naina makes a decision for Sameer which is going to affect his entire life and is then not present to help him bear the consequences of that decision,it is not only unfair but also unacceptable.

To sum up,Both Sameer and Naina are fighting the waves of the ocean of life.The difference is that Naina jumped into the water for the sake of her family.In the process,she not only dragged Sameer into the water but also abandoned him in mid ocean without support.They may both find their shores ultimately.But it holds,that Naina made a conscious decision to jump into the water while Sameer was dragged unwittingly into it.😊
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