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Dhruvi

@Hearttalks_90s

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Posted: 7 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: ashona
Dear Druvi, you were such a brave and selfless girl and you saved the little's girls life and that is commendable even though you didn't understand what was happening. My heart goes out to you. I really hope with all the help you get that you will eventually be okay. Take care.

thanks Ashona... i m fine and have come to terms tht it happened... however it still haunts me if i had not been able to be there then what wud hv happened to that gal?

but i m glad by God's grace both of us are fine

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MSK04

@MSK04

Dazzler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#32

Dhruvi, first of all I salute your bravery.

You saved that girl, helped her out even though you didn't understand what was happening. Its heart wrenching to read this.

Having stayed in India, I have also faced eve teasing. Not just boys, but men, middle-aged men who think its perfectly alright to follow around young girls on roads, talking shit. I was 15, when I had a very bad and continuous experience of eve teasing from the same man. I was lucky enough, that my parents had always taught me, supported me, encouraged me to share. Which is why I could talk to them, share my fear and they took it seriously.

I completely understand your perspective. I haven't read your previous post, but opposing eve teasing is not equal to spreading negativity.

Sameer is a fictional character, that has taken up a large space in our hearts. After watching yesterday's episode, I cannot say that I support this character anymore. Any vice is okay, curable, redeemable, except atrocities against women. It is just wrong, period.

My heart goes out to you. Somethings are always somewhere in our memory, and no matter how much we want, we cannot get rid of it.

Please do not leave the forum though.

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KashafZaroon30

@KashafZaroon30

Rocker

Posted: 7 years ago

#33

Dear Dhruvi, first of all I would like to commend you for bringing up this incident on this forum...that itself requires a lot of courage...And I'm sorry for the incident you have mentioned...We as a nation have always failed the women and children of our country...

We Indians over the years have conveniently accepted a shameless attitude called as the 'Chalta hai' attitude...Traffic rules follow nahi kiye chalta hai (why should I care for someone's life), women ki respect nahi ho rahi hai chalta hai (woh mere ghar ki thodi hai), ghar pe women ki repsect nahi ki chalta hai (woh mere ghar ki hai, main uske saath jo bhi karu), har govenrment aake humein ullu banake jaati hai chalta hai (itne saalo se log humein loot hi toh rahe hai kya farak padta hai )...This 'Chalta hai' attitude has ruined us a nation...

We claim ourselves as very religious people right? We make sure that we follow all rituals, all prayers, everything...it has been taught to all in their families to follow religion to the core...but why hasn't many of them taught their children the basic aspect of all religion- Treating women and children with respect and care... Misbehaving with women is an unforgivable sin in all the religions...I'm no one here to teach/talk about religion...but if we claim ourselves as religious and cultured people, then I'm sorry to say, we are defying the basic idea of our religion and culture...

A man's nature is maximum based on what he is taught in his formative years...Not respecting women is an outcome of a flaw in upbringing...Many of them don't teach their male child on how to behave, on what to think of other women...We as a nation teach everything to our child, how to learn, write, speak, how to follow religion, culture but we couldn't teach an important thing to them.

You must have heard the phrase- Saam Dhaam Dand Bhed...Unfortunately our crowd has forgot ethics and become so shameless that Saam doesn't even work on us...Daam can only work, when the Dand is stringent and strict...and unfortunately the Dand is not strict in our country...Nobody fears the law...

I would like to share an incident here which must have happened on similar lines with many of us: My college though was in the same city, it was a bit far from my place, and hence I had to travel by public transport everyday...Now we all know what happens in public transports in India...People take advantage of the crowded bus and leave no opportunity to touch women. I was 17 years old and I still remember it was my early experiences of traveling in a public transport crowded bus. A shameless creature, taking full advantage of the crowd, leaned on me while standing behind me, giving me no space to even move. I couldn't even scream or shout out of fear...He started touching me, which had almost made so fearful that I was about to cry...Somehow I managed to make some space for myself and moved ahead...he again stood behind me and again tried to lean on me, I again moved ahead...fortunately at that time a person got up from his seat to get down at his stop, and I immediately sat over there...The guy still kept staring at me throughout the journey...Those were the hardest 30 mins of my life...The moment I reached college I saw my friend and I couldn't stop crying...This type of molestation in crowded buses/trains is a common scenario in India everyday... I'm no different, but the worst thing is such shameless act is a common thing in India...

Eve teasing or any form of act which make women uncomfortable shouldn't be encouraged at all through any medium...I'm somehow waiting for the CVs to bring out a strong message out of this act of Sameer...may be they are wishing to highlight a flaw in upbringing here...may be they are wishing to highlight that where do Indian parents lack...I hope they have a strong purpose behind this...he still has time to stand up for the women and stop being a part of the gang...if this thing stretches for too long...then I wouldn't be much interested in it as a viewer...Hope it is a short-lived track trying to show that how lapses in upbringing and bad company can affect people in their formative years...I still wish they show him to understand this thing himself, as he is shown to be a strong conscience person from the start and not Naina come and put sense in him...that would be like to show female lead mahaan...I want his conscience to be strong...not others putting sense in him...

Anyway thanks for this discussion...You are in no way spreading negativity...stay blessed dear...

Edited by KashafZaroon30 - 7 years ago

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priyanka

@doublecross

Dazzler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#34

Dear dhruvi

If I did hurt you with my post then am sorry and I apologize. I am with you on the same page. Especially when am about to embrace motherhood and since I don't know the gender of my unborn child and if it's a boy I would always want him to hold women in high esteem. Not only his own mom but also women in general. Am sorry that you had to witness such a traumatic and gory incident, but the fact that you stood up to it to protest that's something to be proud of.

As far as sameer and tarnishing his character is concerned, I don't think any number of posts can do that on this forum since the cvs are mastering the art at this moment. It's a stellar performance by them. So if you felt that my quitting the forum post was directed at people like you am sorry it wasn't, rather it was for them who were speculating about the future tracks and coming up with some obnoxious theories. Without watching the show or being an insider on the sets how can you speculate. If you have hard facts then that's understandable but I don't know I have never really warmed to pg3 gossips and rumours. So my post was for them not for people like you.

In my post too I have mentioned that I don't support him in his anti social activities. It's a complete downer. The part with beer and cigarettes was still understandable but eve teasing was something, I mean being a mute spectator where the voice over is himself contradicting his own actions in the present was hard to digest. He could have taken a stand against it. And even playing cards in the park didn't sit well with me. This entire Delhi track spells doom. It has enhanced naina's character to new heights and is turning into a slow poison for sameer's character which is being razed to the ground. So.even I Don t Differ Much On That With You There.

You Left Me Quite A scathing Ascerbic On My Thread. Am Not Supporting Sameer In His Wrong Doing Rather I Too Protest To It But I Had Merely Highlighted Some Of The Points In The Current Track That Doesn't Sit Well With Me. The Entire Delhi Scenario Seems Wrong To Me. Am Not Against Those Who Are Voicing Their Opinions Against Sameer'S Character. He Is Not Mine Or Yours Or Anybody Else'S . Infact Am Against Any Kind Of Atrocities Against Women. Am A Woman As Well.

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PrincessLeah

@PrincessLeah

Beginner

Posted: 7 years ago

#35

Originally posted by: Hearttalks_90s

i m so disappointed with CV that why cudnt they show that Sameer cud stand up against such things since respecting women has always been his quality since the beginning

Agreed they destroyed his character.

Drinking n smoking is still fine though he is too young for that but it's a lifestyle choice n not really a Crime.

But Eve teasing n being a party to it is a punishable offence.

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chandu80

@chandu80

Explorer

Posted: 7 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: Hearttalks_90s
I, a little gal around 12 years old who was happy enjoying kite flying on 14th Jan full volume music played on all terraces... with all family members friends, some know unknown people, happily taking the fresh air on terrace eating chiki, popcorn, peanuts. then suddenly i think of getting some cold water as in any weather cold/hot i wud drink chilled water always... i was wearing black jeans and maroon top... the place we were is a 3 storeid building...
so since i m thursty i walk down to get water... as i reached the second floor i saw a man opening up the pyajama of a young gal probably of the same age as me or even younger. he was holding her very tightly... she seemed like the maid n too weak to resist anything... i saw fearing shivering with blood red eyes... trying to shout but too loud for anyone to hear her voice...

as i stepped in i froze. i froze completely. dint understand what it exactly meant the man's genital exposed and the gal terrified in his firm grip... i dint realise make out what exactly was happening n what m i suppose to do... but i cud sense fear in her shivering voice... the pain. a fragile gal like me at that moment dint knew how to react... the man wasnt scared. he told me to just go away... i dont know how i just said Jai Mata Di and took the long handle broom n threatened to beat him... he wasnt scared he wasnt scared at all since a fragile gal with a broom cudnt cause him much damage... the only thing that worked for me was i just pretend that someone else was coming and he loosen the grip on the victim and we both just ran up to the terrace... i told everything to my family and hers as well... but u know what they said it will tarnish the gals image and that man is like that only... he keeps doing that...

till date that scene is right in front of me...

and it haunts it haunts it haunts

so if anyone thinks i tarnished their SAMEER's image by my yesterday post or I m not trying to understand what he is going through, remember read all the comments there in - I have said CV cud hv taken the liberty and shown him Mahaan by standing against those men who dared touch other women... Women are not anyones property. NO means NO...

how many times if any incident happens we go out and check that oh what might b the backstory of the one involved...

i dont make post here that so much negativity, we want to leave, let the story unfold... for once people can come out of their love for the show and can unanimously request CV or any other medium to spread positive message and not demean women... or set an example u can stoop down to any low and then go for redemption...

I have flowing tears and i m glad i m still in touch with the gal i mentioned as she works at my place as my maid... and i make sure that today her son and daughter are in good school...

so people loving ur show character is all good... and yes writers r not bound to present things on moral grounds, but we the audience instead of understanding the situation of character, can expect./request/demand CV to show one thing (which this our precious country desparatey needs) is to stand up and protect the women which on the first place was an integral qualilty of the very loved SAMEER MAHESHWARI

I am sorry to hear about this and I completely agree with all your points. Yes for once the CVs should have taken the creative liberty to portray Sameer as Mahaan. When it comes to eve teasing its just No means No.

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Aisha

@Samaina_16

Dazzler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#37

Originally posted by: Hearttalks_90s
@Aaisha - we are all strong gals n we do fight back... but it hurts wen its seen like okay ye hota hai realistic hai... kitni cheezen dikhaten hain jo realistic nai hai per ye realistic hona bahot zaroori hai... nice...
and for me also any redemption can never make up for what is being shown... people who think things happen i have a question for them as well --

why not go and check the whole mawali gang? they all might b nice guys? just like Sameer they might have a bad story? they might b alone as well? so lets figure that out as well

so true yar. Aise to har eve teaser ki back story hogi. Hme koi real life me bhi eve tease kre to uski back story pata krenge phle😕

And I agree 100%. Itni bar sameer ko mahan banaya h ek baar aur bna dete. Kya chala jata?

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canapoem

@canapoem

Sparkler

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Posted: 7 years ago

#38

Dear Dhruvi, hugs to you

You are a brave girl, not just by saving that girl on that day but also by writing it here and standing against all kinds of sexual harassment .

Yes, eve teasing is sexual harassment. And those boys even went to the extent of touching those girls.

Whatever Sameer's VO can say, this act of his cannot be justified.

Sameer might have had many flaws but the best quality in him was his respect for women. Unfortunately the CVs butchered that one quality of him very badly

He was a mute spectator to the abuse today, so tomorrow if those guys rape any girl, would he still justify himself that he only was a mute spectator and he did not rape the girl.

Having grown up in the 90s, having faced such eve teasing, groping, being touched in public places or crowded buses, I know exactly what those girls went through. And the trauma will never leave me, I know that too.

It's disgusting that such acts are being justfyied by giving excuses like Boredom.

I have a teenage son and I have told him how a girl feels when she is taken advantage of and he tells me that he will respect women, always.

So Sameer is still 17 and young, such reasons are just nonsense

He very well understands how those girls are feeling.

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Dhruvi

@Hearttalks_90s

Voyager

+ 4

Posted: 7 years ago

#39

@Zulu - thats the worst part to experincne it urself... i can very well relate how u must hv felt... its just plain harsh reality that our system doesnt find anyway to tackle this issue even though its most rampant n each one of us, including young boys now, face it... i dont know what it will take for the system to ever come out of the shitty politics and do something concrete to curb this down if not completely eradicate it...

and thats what i had mentioned in my post yesterday that we are a nation where we worship Goddesses and each religion teaches to respect women and children as you have rightly said, but alas we fail badly here...

hope CVs really show something... however for me the damage has been done and dont know if anything can ever repair it

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Dhruvi

@Hearttalks_90s

Voyager

+ 4

Posted: 7 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: doublecross
Dear dhruvi
If I did hurt you with my post then am sorry and I apologize. I am with you on the same page. Especially when am about to embrace motherhood and since I don't know the gender of my unborn child and if it's a boy I would always want him to hold women in high esteem. Not only his own mom but also women in general. Am sorry that you had to witness such a traumatic and gory incident, but the fact that you stood up to it to protest that's something to be proud of.

As far as sameer and tarnishing his character is concerned, I don't think any number of posts can do that on this forum since the cvs are mastering the art at this moment. It's a stellar performance by them. So if you felt that my quitting the forum post was directed at people like you am sorry it wasn't, rather it was for them who were speculating about the future tracks and coming up with some obnoxious theories. Without watching the show or being an insider on the sets how can you speculate. If you have hard facts then that's understandable but I don't know I have never really warmed to pg3 gossips and rumours. So my post was for them not for people like you.

In my post too I have mentioned that I don't support him in his anti social activities. It's a complete downer. The part with beer and cigarettes was still understandable but eve teasing was something, I mean being a mute spectator where the voice over is himself contradicting his own actions in the present was hard to digest. He could have taken a stand against it. And even playing cards in the park didn't sit well with me. This entire Delhi track spells doom. It has enhanced naina's character to new heights and is turning into a slow poison for sameer's character which is being razed to the ground. So.even I Don t Differ Much On That With You There.

You Left Me Quite A scathing Ascerbic On My Thread. Am Not Supporting Sameer In His Wrong Doing Rather I Too Protest To It But I Had Merely Highlighted Some Of The Points In The Current Track That Doesn't Sit Well With Me. The Entire Delhi Scenario Seems Wrong To Me. Am Not Against Those Who Are Voicing Their Opinions Against Sameer'S Character. He Is Not Mine Or Yours Or Anybody Else'S . Infact Am Against Any Kind Of Atrocities Against Women. Am A Woman As Well.

Pooja first of all sorry for the words i said on your thread... but i pointed this issue yesterday as well.. dint quote my life incident but still shared... and so i thought it was taken as spreading negativity... so sorry about that

and i m glad we all are on the same page with regards to Eve teasing...

anyways u pls relax and pls do take care of urself and look for positive things...👍🏼