In defense of Raman Bhalla - Page 5

Originally posted by: -K.13-

I beg to differ about the actors bc time and time again their non-spoken acting conveys deep messages and emotions that viewers latch on to but it's the makers who never properly follow up on these depth of emotions. We saw this in surrogacy, this track, and many others. KP & DT bring in emotions that I don't think the makers intended to highlight but they are emotions only people like us who waste time in using our God-given brains pick up on.

I know many people wh see Ishita and Raman in a beautiful light & even I can...and I think the makers can also but they choose to take the path of lesser resistance as it brings in the most spoils of TRP war. 😆

Originally posted by: Dmug

There is no justification for his behaviour Gan!! I agree ishita in a way betrayed him and the family by not coming back to them for 7 years and left them to live on their own..but raman pushed her to do this..aur kis mooh se wapas jati as if they would have welcomed her with open arms if she would have come back..if i would have been at ishita's place i might not have committed suicide but hypothetically if i did and got saved then i might not have returned to the home where i m no longer required where I m being namecalled or considered bad omen..
And what raman is doing now makes no sense she already believes she is manhoos and banjh and what not his words 7 years back are still fresh in her mind and i dont see any point reiterating the same and getting reaction out of her.. U dnt react to things when u have already accepted them they become the way of your life..and thats what has happened with ishita she has accepted it and moved on so these words uttered time and again now do not have the same impact as they had 7 years back. And she also knows that there is no point in justifying herself when she has wronged everybody by staying away from them for 7 long years..so those words are like a broken record for her and sadly raman still stuck there if he really wants to get reaction off her then he shld corner her and make her speak up thats the only way ishita can give any reaction..a proper conversation where he is willing to listen to her side of story rather than being judgemental which he is now...he is stooping very low in order to hurt her and that is not acceptable..period.. If u want to move on u r free to do so with anybody he wants even if its ur first wife but demeaning ishita by calling her sauteli maa and manhoos will no longe get reaction out of her what he wants..

There's no justification to his words .. Period .. Neither did I justify his behavior 7 years back ... What he said was beyond defensible ... And still are.

My defense is solely focused on his current behavior post his bumping into Ishita at the police station and his subsequent actions.

No where I said Ishita deserves any of this behavior .. What I said was I can understanding his actions from his perspective.. And that's all I have put forward.. His vantage point ..

You're focused on his words.. Mine on his actions ...
And nowhere have I defended the tags he put on Ishita .. And said she deserved them .

I don't agree with you about fully absolving Ishita on her action post her life being saved for 7 years .. If not anyone .. Her parents and her kids needed to know she's alive .. She's staying now in Delhi and both sides of the family are with her and also Adi... What made her think it would have been different past 7 years.

Hope I made my pov clear... It's a grey zone .. With Raman more on the darker side...

Originally posted by: infinity00

@bold ...wah ! that sums up everybody's point of view... 👏 I would just reiterate that the way a lot of us see Ishita and Raman, CV's don't and to some extent the actors neither...

Sorry for my random replies.. It's just that I'm cooking .. So haven't had a chance to read each one in detail... But great debate going on ... From both perspective and non one is wrong here ... So please continue 😳

My problem here with the narrative is not just Raman's words but Ishita's inability to react to it. We harp on her self-respect but she has not for once related Raman's words and anger to her own self- that to me is where lays the sadness of this arc. In their twisted and convulsed manner, cvs want to sell Raman's crass tone and Ishita's silent simmers about it, as part of a great intense love story..I think , not only that compromises both characters, their story but sends out such a wrong message.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

My problem here with the narrative is not just Raman's words but Ishita's inability to react to it. We harp on her self-respect but she has not for once related Raman's words and anger to her own self- that to me is where lays the sadness of this arc. In their twisted and convulsed manner, cvs want to sell Raman's crass tone and Ishita's silent simmers about it, as part of a great intense love story..I think , not only that compromises both characters, their story but sends out such a wrong message.

I am in minority, I don't like Monster RKB beyond a point. I think he was past the shelf date. It was time to make him grow out as a character rather than again put him in a vicious circle of hate-spew-repeat.

Susrrogacy should have been the leap and Ishita walking out for herself with her kids and stay independent (that would have made sense and given both character some tangible progression).

Because technically , story wise , their separation is problematic coz of the kids , the family bond. They are not just linked with each other because of their love but these bond too which makes breaking them so much harder storywise.

Good post .
According to me is that all are right at their on a point of view
Living in guilt ... Both of them were living in guilt ...
At times human beings try to displace the guilt ...Ramans words to Ishitha was out burst of his anger
It happens in relationships... I am a married woman , I know it but commiting suicide for any thing or any one shows the basic flow of the character ...
Raman would have never imagined , she being an intelligent woman would even try it , yes she did .
He blamed him self for seven yrs ...
He shuttered himself from rest of the world , he thinks gorgeous looking Ishitha moved on or shut him out ...he wants her attention now .
He might want to show that he too can live without her

"It is more painful to be forgotten , than to die"... Seeing loved one forgetting us is more of painful than death ...in that sense he has walked through the valley of death...his cruel words too reflects it .

Ishitha always loved the people around her ... She spread fragrance of love every where she went ...
It is her nature and does same ...but frankly speaking " a woman can live alone "
Esp in Australia where under the eyes of law , woman is more previlaged than men ...she could have lived as a total free spirited person ...
She thinks Raman will never forgive her or accept her ... She was a barren woman so long until surrogancy happened ...those women get severly hurt by being held responsible for a child's death...
He verbally abused her to her death ...

The imp point of view comes from CV .. That is TRP ... The other woman brings interest of a indian audience ...
Every one is wrong and right but the ultimate punishment is served to the poor chdren ...
They didn't deserve the pain , because parents first responsibily is children , they both falied at it ...

Originally posted by: shravsss

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I am copying my post here. This was what exactly I wanted to convey too... As you said, Whatever he is doing is just because he wants some reaction from his Ishita. His Ishita would never be this silent.

The most complex and misunderstood character is Yeh hai Mohabbatein's Raman Kumar Bhalla. He has never been understood by his own loved ones, that's what he had been repeatedly dealt with. His ex-wife, parents, siblings, kids and the one person he never thought would misunderstand him or mistake him. He is not the same Raman he was before his first marriage. It had changed the very person he was. Like habit remains, the Raman or should I say Happy in Toshiji's words is still there somewhere in him. He fights with his inner Happy(Raman) and the Raman he has changed into. He has repeatedly shown that he doesn't know to show or express love. That's what people made him believe and they believe themselves too. This man can only and only be opened up to love, a man who understands only love. How can people expect him not to know how to express the same. His gestures speaks how an expressive person he is. He doesn't care about rest of the World, but only people whom he loves. His life revolves around his family and their happiness. He tries to play a pawn to everyone's happiness. He reacts when he is not understood by his loved ones. He does the unexpected to get their eyes laid on him. He wants to be the center of their life he lives for. He doesn't have it in him to face this World without his loved ones, he cannot imagine his life without his loved ones...But, fortune has always played its role in making him feel lone. When you aren't with your soulmate by your side, nothing interests you anymore. He is not accepted the way he is now, everyone expects him to be happy and when he becomes happy something always pull him back to be the new Raman he built him too.

Ishita was one person he expected will never leave him no matter what. Yes, he is a person who reacts to the situation without thinking about others but the one person he lost. His daughter, the daughter once he abandoned from fatherly love, the same daughter who bought his soulmate into his life, the same daughter who made him feel complete as a family, the same daughter who made him his favourite person when he wasn't even expressive, the same daughter for whom or just for the sake of her custody who married a person he was least interested in. He believed when he saw the scene unearthing in front of his eyes, his daughter burning in a car blast. The helplessness as a father of not saving a daughter is something only a father can understand. The failure that he once again came across as an individual, as an father, which led both his children to suffer, The questions which haunted him seeing his son in the mercy of a Psychiatrist, the same father who failed his son many years before, he couldn't fight for, the helplessness he left, the capability that always questioned him. Is he capable of taking care of his loved ones? That left him completely with the new Raman he became after his unsuccessful marriage or should I say the father who couldn't gather much courage to fight for his son or daughter. He once again couldn't do anything in saving his daughter and his Ishita saw the same and had confided in a police than the father of the kids. He couldn't take the fact that his wife didn't support him or his decision. The one person who has supported him all through with his son, with his family, with his siblings, with his business and the most important person he just loss because he isn't capable enough as a father, his daughter, his Ruhi.

Words sometimes does bother when it comes from the most loved person, I do understand Ishita's plight and decision but Raman's anger, helplessness, failures is showing all of that is on himself, it's all about him... He never expected Ishita to not support when he was broken than he was ever in his life or probably he will ever be.

From, Ishita's point of view what she did was what I as a person would have done too, Commit suicide. She is lifeless, doesn't have a life other when that life doesn't include Ruhi and Raman, who were soul of her life when it started and for whom it started at the first place. A person who is wishing to die because she is bad omen, who wants to be away from her loved ones to keep away the bad omen. How can people expect a person who is wishing to die to be in a very thinking state of mind. She was saved by someone, who lost his legs while saving her which made her believe strongly that she is indeed a bad omen. How can someone expect a person to return to her family only to have them experience the misfortune that she would carry. She as a mother thought, her son and the new born daughter would have a better life, if she doesn't instill the bad omen she carries in their lives. May be her parents will be at peace, by not seeing her daughter in a lifeless life. That's more torturous than actually seeing a dead daughter. This is something my mother told me one day. Parents can never tolerate their child or children in a lifeless state.

I don't know what I wrote above made sense or not. But, just my insight to the show or the two characters, I have been loving since the start of the show. The aren't wrong in their own way, they aren't right in their own eyes probably.

So why pihu was told shagun raman are married..there wedding album was shown...and always told shagun is her real mom?????

Originally posted by: -K.13-

We relate to his emotions but not his words
We relate to her emotions but not her actions

This just continually reminds me of the active decision the CVs took on executing this show. Had YHM 1.0 aired at 7:30 from the start - it likely would've replicated this. And that's what's disappointing - raw material is there but rest is not.

The raw material is the scariest part of this bc it can lure you in emotionally only to feel disappointed yet again.

Everyone wrote great posts but let's see what the CVs decide to do to execute these emotions bc as of yet it's just been ugly for all the involved characters.

agree completely

perfectly said

bang on 👏👏👏👏👏