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Posted: 9 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: crazy_bholi

Both are equally responsible...they did not think about their kids even for one moment ...they should suffer more than kids...and the fact that ishita accepting shagun in raman's life is so irritating pathetic and cheap.I did not like that bit...tum khush ho mere bina...i left you ...you are happy...writers dont keep in mind the characters...how can he be happy without her...ishitas thought I am not getting...she knows he loved her so so much and the kids ke liye factor was vanished long back...still aisa dikha rahe hai...I mean i am not able to connect or understand because of these dialogues.


Absolutely agree...

That's my fear with this track too..till now..raman is like a stone.. he had regressed. .gone back to a state worse than when shagun left..he doesn't even interact with his own family..but wasn't raman always saying that. .that if ishita leaves him he cannot survive dB and might become that old stone hearted man again..
Ishita knows him better than anyone else. .but how does she keep thinking he can be happy without her.. and that too with shagun...
Its one thing to say I know you hate me for losing ruhi..that's why I won't come back to your life. .but saying are you happy..I know you will be happy without me..is a lil too much. ..she knows very well that raman will shatter without her...it was so visible in tujhe jail track..
Post leap cvs have turned ishita more confused than ever

Suddenly cvs might get a brainwave and have the whole family blaming raman.. and super happy ishita is back. .. and then raman's emotions will never be shown..neither ishita knowing in what a horrible state raman was when she wasn't around. .instead we will have drunk raman..lecturing shani...lecturing mihika...condescending ishita...and accusing iyers dB and bhallas.. and all will be wrapped up in a big drama..

How I wish..sincerely wishh we get one decent heart to heart..after all the screaming matches and MU...like the chaddha murder track reunion scene.. this time longer..
Him saying how much he regrets his words that day and how he has died literally every moment of those 7 yrs wit out ishita..
And ishita opening up about how much she missed him but was scared of him hating her and thought it was better to be dead

No hopes from cvs though. .this shravan missing and iyer bhalla mahabharat all seems to be build up to ishita meeting not raman...but the monster heartless raman. .who might lose it royally at the iyers for thinking toshi will harm shravan and ishita and mani will reach right on time to take the opp side of the debate...scary...
Hope i am proved wrong๐Ÿ˜•
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Posted: 9 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: swatica



lilies r jst a symbol dat watevr u do if u love me frm heart dn im urs n vl b wid u always..
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bt reaching to any conclusions based on ds cute light hearted scene is bizaaree.
though cvs r more bizaare bt dey wont finish al ds..
dere is along way..
before any sorry a lot of drama accusations r on d way...


Exactly Lilies just stand for love

As for what our great CVs can show or will show - only god knows, we have had so many expectations in tracks where we saw potential and they have always found a way to tank and kill them, so dont expect much here too I say...because it can hurt a lot, conversely if they do end up doing something good for a change, we can celebrate and be happy
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Posted: 9 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: Divan-holic

I want apology and heart to headt talk from both sides.
I want raman to ask her that why she left him and They should tell each other that how much they suffer and they are incomplete without each other.


If they give even one of these things I think we should celebrate, these are YHM cvs we are talking about after all
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Posted: 9 years ago
#34
How much weird YHM has become! This is not the initial YHM even though CVs are trying hard to make it like so. "The Beauty and the beast" was never the concept of YHM, it was applied after Mani made his first grand entrance just after time slot change. What is the point of all these, if they deliberately make it look like that the ML doesn't deserve the FL and the FL is doing some kind of "ehsaan" by being with or pining for ML while she has better options available. We certainly didn't sign up for this type of cliche story telling.

I am thankful that the initial YHM was aired at 11 pm slot and we got to see a balanced love story where two broken souls had come together two complete each other. If it were aired at 7:30pm, we would have got that we're getting now-- the story of the beauty and the beast. Whether anyone agrees or not, YHM clicked because of its unique concept, had they applied this "beauty and beast" storytelling in the first place, it would have either gone off air in few months or become another SNS by now.

PS: My opinion isn't based on that particular scene but the entire context that is being shoved down our throat for last one year, specially post leap.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Ignoring the other non-sensicle things that happened, Raman erred when he took the decisio of surrogency without Ishita's permission. For me the marriage was over then and there. Ishita became party to his mistake when she , so happily accepted his decision about her own body and parenting.

Raman crossed many lines when he called Ishita shitty names . I get her hurt and I would have appreciated if she would have moved out with her kids or atleast alone AFTER informing her parents. I would buy the suicide too as for her going into the shock but 7 years? The guilt be bigger than her own love for her parents, kids ? How did she survive without knowing how her new born baby be doing or her parents be okay. If Raman erred than Ishita screwed up as well.

At this point, i don't want an epic reunion. I want a mature talk, between a husband and wife , as individuals and as parents. I don't want either to brush off and move along the conflict without addressing and improving upon it.

Raman might be Punjabi and anger might be his trait but there are traces of misogyny which has time and time, reflected badly on their marriage and Ishita. Similarly, Ishita's guilt makes her irrational and sometimes she ends up harming people unintentionally . I actually want to know what she feels. is she angry at Raman for trampling over her self-respect and questioning her motherhood- only sensible thing that be there. Or, she has resigned to his words and actually believes in it- which is very disturbing.


Honestly if they had to go for a seperation track, that was the time - Ishita walking out on her marriage would have made such a statement and also wouldnt have seemed so weird and forced like this leap is.

But then again we had to go on a detour with ghosts and snow whites and then this lady godzilla popping out of nowhere to avenge her dead father after more than a decade ๐Ÿคช

we the audience cant learn our lesson - of stopping to expect sense and logic from YHM, even when they always disappoint and the cvs cant know their ass from their ankle even if someone were to knock them over their heads with everything possible under the sun because they have just one clear cut agenda - keep shaggy around no matter what...


I keep reading one word on this forum like a million times - nepotism and often accusations fly at one woman only; though I fail to see how can she manevoeur things when she cannot even have a track dedicated to her in the show where she's supposed to be the damn lead herself...if there' nepotism in YHM land offscreen its clearly practiced by another individual only its called perks of being the BFF there ๐Ÿ˜ณ
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Posted: 9 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: ankitasen

How much weird YHM has become! This is not the initial YHM even though CVs are trying hard to make it like so. "The Beauty and the beast" was never the concept of YHM, it was applied after Mani made his first grand entrance just after time slot change. What is the point of all these, if they deliberately make it look like that the ML doesn't deserve the FL and the FL is doing some kind of "ehsaan" by being with or pining for ML while she has better options available. We certainly didn't sign up for this type of cliche story telling.

I am thankful that the initial YHM was aired at 11 pm slot and we got to see a balanced love story where two broken souls had come together two complete each other. If it were aired at 7:30pm, we would have got that we're getting now-- the story of the beauty and the beast. Whether anyone agrees or not, YHM clicked because of its unique concept, had they applied this "beauty and beast" storytelling in the first place, it would have either gone off air in few months or become another SNS by now.

PS: My opinion isn't based on that particular scene but the entire context that is being shoved down our throat for last one year, specially post leap.


I totally agree...originally YHM actually had the this "beauty and the beast" dynamic but it wasn't taken to the extreme where one character looks like he deserves no love from his family, children, or wife...while the other character out of being majboor in love stays with someone who demeans her. YHM 1.0 showed both as flawed and selfish, albeit Raman was a little more so.

What we see now and have been on & off from Jan 2015's dafa ho jao makes anyone question why should IshRa be a couple? Here people argue on and off about who is right or wrong and get frustrated, but the core is IshRa shouldn't exist for their own good. However as this is a desi soap we will see Ishita compromising and suffering while Raman stays aloof until the end, but the kicker is they will be together for this dynamic.

Idk I think you've pinpointed exactly why this post-leap stuff hasn't stuck for me while I could tolerate the stupidity of the Subbu track and such. Outside of the horrible situation the children are in, I don't care for this exaggerated dynamic b/c it's distasteful to me and the fact they are separated makes all the focus on this dynamic.

YHM is just lucky to have established a clear base through it's actors
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Posted: 9 years ago
#37
in dis case raman is main source r root cause n ishita also took part in it


aur do spa fav pat,patni,maa,fav sweep etc.. n cvs more well done karega ๐Ÿ˜†

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Posted: 9 years ago
#38
Clearly, RKB loves his JKR a lot and we've paid testament to that thus CVs need to reinstate that! Otherwise, that'll give a botched up love tale of the 'Beauty & the Beast" and that clearly isn't what IshRa stand for cos the duo loves each other like crazy... One's the heart and other the heart beat. If CVs continue to show Ishita having a monologue on how HER Raman is happy without her and he's moved on in life then that'll clearly be a big problem cos in the fans minds' the picture of Ishu not believing in Raman's love will get fit ...

Is that what the CVs want ... Ishu doubting Raman's love for herself? Yes feeling guilty is another thing and negating Raman's love is a whole different thing ... how can Ishita forget everything that Raman has done for her (I'm not saying she has guys. I mean her thinking that he's happy and all that jazz; how does her conscience allow her to think all this??)

He shut Bala's mom's mouth during Appa-Amma's anniversary party
He protected her dignity from that leecher Param
He did so much for Amma when she met with an accident
He helped Bala on so many occasions
He offered Appa work in his office

He's been such a support to HER; he put his president ship on stake for her dental license (of course Ishu also got it back rightfully!!)
He got a necklace designed for her

He's done ALOT ... I think its high time CVs really DO justice to his emotions cos he deserves an emotional outburst ... Raman needs to let loose and not be blamed for everything that's gone wrong!

Also, why must Raman be accused alone? Ishita should have understood that Raman needed him the most! Remember when he heard of her suicide; a part of him died ... he broke yet lived on cos his kids needed him

Ok I agree he didn't tell Pihu of her biological mom and maternal family but with all the accusations being thrown at this man ... does anyone think he would have the capacity to deal with the questions Pihu would ask? He needed his wife... she left him ... all alone ... with a tiny Pihu ... the Iyers began a blame game ... Raman wanted to block out all his angst and thus he's cut cords (not that there's any difference in his love, respect and care for his Madrasan's family... if you remember he called Mrs Iyer Amma, and he had a rant on how Mihika was living with Romi without marriage ...)

Clearly, Raman wants to keep a guard on his inner emotions cos he doesn't wanna fall weak ... I think that Ishita, the Iyers and the Bhalla's need to realise Raman's importance ... why should he apologise?

I don't see a reason man!! It all began with Nidhi playing her dirty trick ... the discord stemmed from her existence in their lives. She's the root cause of all the chaos and mayhem

Rather than indulging in blame games and the apology business: CVs need IshRa to unite ASAP

They then need to reunite with Ruhi; rehabilitate their girl and rebuild their rapport ...

I don't want CVs to waste time on "you were alive; you didn't tell me ... fine then let's get married to someone else ... well I think that needs to be cut out cos if they decide to marry other people then really WHY would they wanna come together SIRF RUHI KE LIYE ... go on help Ruhi without being married ... if you want!!)

The bottom line is; don't indulge in MU, marriage and all that jazz; no point!! Cut to the chase ... let IshRa take their badhas out ... get angry but just scream out how much they love each other, be mature (that's to have a heart to heart; vent out all their feelings and realising that it's only us two who can anchor each other and get together to heal each other and their ROOH)

they need to get together ASAP and REDEVELOP a strong bond that which is about love, trust, respect, trust and communication

Thanks for bearing with me!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: QueSeraSera


I keep reading one word on this forum like a million times - nepotism and often accusations fly at one woman only; though I fail to see how can she manevoeur things when she cannot even have a track dedicated to her in the show where she's supposed to be the damn lead herself...if there' nepotism in YHM land offscreen its clearly practiced by another individual only its called perks of being the BFF there ๐Ÿ˜ณ


When you don't wanna see, this can happen. ๐Ÿ˜Š
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Posted: 9 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: -MS-


When you don't wanna see, this can happen. ๐Ÿ˜Š



Err, I don't know how to see something that isn't visible to my eyes - cause the one thing that I have observed is since the time slot change which occurred in October 2014, all and every tracks have found Shagun to be the focus whether she was needed or not, justified or not. One character had to fit no matter who or how many others were butchered for the sake of doing so...and if this means I have trouble with my sight - sigh, I suppose that must be the case. After all more than a year's worth of tracks are just a figment of my imagination that has been telecasted for the world to see. Some superpower do I have here...

In Hindi there's a saying - saavan ke andhe ko sab hara hi nazar aata hai, as in One who goes blind in spring, sees only greenery all around - to our splendid CVs - Saavan is Shagun, if they can't see beyond her, how can I look at anything besides her.


But despite that if you wanna say otherwise and can, I won't ask you to change your opinion nor assert mine on you, because you see - I am not changing my stance, If that makes me a loyal, blind bhakt so be it - some badges I believe I can wear with honor and pride, and if this is one of those, so be it - the bagde of being the blind bhakt of an expressive, talented express is something I am willing to sport with pride, over that of a hater who would waste her time abusing those I don't care or like...

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