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Posted: 10 years ago
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Now I don't know if the track has any goal! Because from where I stand, all I see is Shagun becoming invincible! She's a horrible person and abusive parent at all accounts, moreover she's committing one crime after another yet Raman and Ishita are the two helpless people forced to make impossible choices! What is this?
I have seen villains being championed in Indian TV- everyone knows that's the TRP gimmick but those villains are mighty! They have brains and power and a very good motive and understanding of the game they are playing. Shagun has nothing! NOTHING! Watching the leads lose to Shagun's schemes is not painful or heart breaking- it's downright insulting.

If nepotism is the only reason behind all this- then why not make Shagun grow? Why not give her character some depth? Why not make her worthy of the game she pretends to be playing? The CVs change the basic characteristics of the leads in an episode's time, surely changing Shagun wouldn't be that hard!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#42
Not that I didn't find the episode disjointed and questionable. Not that I didn't find it abrupt but in its twisted dramatization too I did find a few things to pick up. Copy pasting my post on the LU here..



I think half the problems in this show could be solved if there was better communication between everyone. Raman should have confided in Ishita when he signed the custody papers earlier,Raman should have spoken to Adi yesterday, told him a lot more than he tried to then. Even one decent conversation would secure the child enough to know that his father would fight for him to be back with them. Ishita spoke so beautifully, every word she said touched my heart. I am sure had an awake Adi heard them, he would be free from half his insecurities. Raman again should have chosen to speak about his concerns and take a mutual decision rather than go about taking one alone.

Having ranted, when I think about it ^ if these people were so perfect, so right and always correct, we'd have no show, no character. Although the show is dramatized to extreme extents, the basic intention behind Ishita's mistakes or Raman's mistakes aren't irrational.

I am glad Ishita apologized for her behavior. Not that she really needed to, because all she said or did was excusable considering the kind of pain and turmoil she was going through. But just the fact that this was not pushed under the rug that she too CAN make mistakes is a relief to me as a viewer.

Coming to Raman. He's a complex man. He makes mistakes, huge ones.. in his marriage, with his parenting, with his life. But he's the one who corrects all of them. He's been the same since the start.

During Param's track he did not stand up for Ishita. He stood silent when she was accused of the worst any woman could be. Their relation was questioned and maligned but he stood quiet. But he was the one who finally found the truth and proved her right in front of the family. Same goes for the Mihir Mihika track, where he was against Mihika all along but finally was the one who planned to get them together. In the accident case, his impulse and extreme emotion made him take Adi the wrong way. But when he realized his mistake, he was the one to correct it.

Here too he's realized his mistake of signing the wrong paper. And realized that his blunders have divided his kids. But to correct one mistake he's making another again. The easiest way would be to talk to his wife and find a way together.

Raman has never been the perfect parent. The infidelity by Shagun, Adi's false accusation in the court against him changed him to someone different. He has always needed Ishita's guidance to be a better father. His love and dedication to his kids is not questionable but his parenting is. He needs to learn how to balance, he needs to learn how to make sure none of his children suffer for the other and he especially needs to learn to not take impulsive decisions when everything is rock bottom. When his life pushes him to the limit, he breaks and the rational part of his sense is always clouded.

Ishita is the balance in his life and that is exactly why I loved the scene when Raman spoke to the counselor tonight. Ishita's dialogue in the parallel proved how she's the one who brings the calm and maturity in his messed, troubled life. If and only if they both would bridge these communication gaps and learn to talk to each other, share with the other about everything that is related to the BOTH of them. Neither Shagun nor anyone else could do anything to them or the kids.

If I am the writer, the next track would be a full circle for the story. Raman got Ishita in Ruhi's life. And now he's the one responsible for their separation. He's the one getting Ishita and Adi closer and he should be the one to bridge the gap that is now going to form between the mother and daughter. Ishita is now going to become Ishima for Adi too. And this will be the final step of Raman towards being a parent to both the kids. And also probably learning to share, trust and work along with Ishita as a team than alone.

I'll feel happier for having to go through such painful and heart wrenching episodes if they conclude it with a lesson to the characters involved.

Even amidst all the terribly written, dragged and messy episodes YHM still has a strong base, great story and message to give. And although everyone feels characters are destroyed in the process. I think they're all just human and none can be perfect (And I am not talking about Shagun here at all LOL)


P.S - I have said so much about the kids all through the last few posts. They are definitely in between this entire mess, suffering the most. This track, the emotions involved and the base of the story at this moment is about parenting. As simple the word is, it's not an easy place to be in for both the parents or the kids. And here's what we're seeing. I can't freaking help and have high expectations from the track because of how they're building it. I can only hope YHM surprises us with the outcome eventually and does not use this otherwise very exceptional and promising track to dramatize the show. It is sensitive and should be treated in the same way.


Coming to the most talked about scene today, which I haven't mentioned in my post. At the risk of sounding biased which I totally am not. I didn't think or FEEL that Raman got close to Ishita only to distract her. Because if it's just about the papers he would take them anyway when she was asleep. What he did.. seemed more like an act of holding on to what is still with him before his actions destroy it all. He isn't justified in his decisions, as I've written above. When he can so easily just talk this out with Ishita. Hasn't he already learnt a lesson? I think its going to take a situation worst than worst to shake the man up.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: vidya.anand

Perfect post Gan!

baaki episode keliye no comments! [actually so much to vent out...:(]

please dont continue reading in case u have loved this entire track...and if u do read, then no offence...this is my POV on this crap they show!

I literally wanted to cry when Raman initiated the big C...hum sab itne time se, actually its like eternity now, we have been waiting and we get to see this. the passion, the love, the intimacy all made into a big fat joke...Magical chemistry ko ek socha samjha chaal banaake rakh diya!

I really dont understand why CVs are hell bent on forcefully bringing in such annoying ideas and unwanted drama when there is a lot more to show and hook us.

A mature conversation as responsible parents, a decision taken together, a good talk to make kids understand...cant they keep it that simple and show the reality of broken marriage and custody cases in a better light so that a message, the idea is sent across to such struggling families!

You know what message I get from all whats shown??
Even if the couples are having a tough time with each other and nothing makes sense in their life together, dont divorce. For the sake of the kids and their own future piece of mind, stay with each other..

And in case, divorce happens...never remarry and or even think of starting a new life.
If you do such grave sins, then you repent, cry and struggle for the rest of the lives! no happiness, no peace of mind..no life nothing!
this is the MESSAGE this show gives to the viewers!

good post Vidya... yes, CVs r telling people that there is no 2nd chance in life... especially marriage.

my takeaway from this... never watch an ekta show however tempting it may seem. This is my first and will be my last too
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Posted: 10 years ago
#44
Vee yeah ajeeb dustan the old song, you got it, I like Suu's song better though!
Here is one ghazal from Jagjit and Lata, talks about sadness between the two for loving and having lost love momentarily, called Gham ka khazana


my fav part, don't know how relevant it is to what you need.

tu mujhko aur main tujhko samjhaaoon kya

tu mujhko aur main tujhko samjhaaoon kya

dil deewana tera bhi hai mera bhi

dil deewana tera bhi hai mera bhi

gham ka khazana tera bhi hai mera bhi


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Posted: 10 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Wings-of-Fire

Now I don't know if the track has any goal! Because from where I stand, all I see is Shagun becoming invincible! She's a horrible person and abusive parent at all accounts, moreover she's committing one crime after another yet Raman and Ishita are the two helpless people forced to make impossible choices! What is this?
I have seen villains being championed in Indian TV- everyone knows that's the TRP gimmick but those villains are mighty! They have brains and power and a very good motive and understanding of the game they are playing. Shagun has nothing! NOTHING! Watching the leads lose to Shagun's schemes is not painful or heart breaking- it's downright insulting.

If nepotism is the only reason behind all this- then why not make Shagun grow? Why not give her character some depth? Why not make her worthy of the game she pretends to be playing? The CVs change the basic characteristics of the leads in an episode's time, surely changing Shagun wouldn't be that hard!


That is my problem too. Why exactly are Raman and Ishita shown so powerless.. also I think if we Hadassah better actor playing Shagun we would have had a lot of depth and dimension portrayed, unfortunately AH does not have those acting chops to portray such a character.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: beckysharp



Agree with you 100% on this. But if they cannot show us the leads having a mature conversation how exactly are they going to show that they are having a conversation with their children ? How can they stretch it out ? Though I would have loved to see IshRa rely develop without Ru this is not the route I would have wanted to take !



Word...I was even ok with Ruhi being angry/"hating" the Bhallas for leaving her with Shagun, but if I'm reacting off all the news updates.

Meh, whatever...we have our remote controls until things get better!

Also I want KP eye candy back ASAP too! #yes I'm shallow
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I just have a couple of questions and nothing much to rant about today...I am too tired to go through the same thing again and again and again...

1) Is this the ONLY WAY to execute this track? Does it have to be this way...I mean is there no subtle, sensible YHM wala angle to making this work than see stuff, scenes that no longer gives the YHM vibe?

2)
Both his kids are hurting Adi and Ruhi...Sure Adi showed teen depression and suicidal tendencies but after seeing what all Ruhi went through, the pain, the hurt all because of the mess he created in the first place I expected Raman to take a different stand for once. To work out something that wouldn't hurt either kid but once again he resorts to cheating, hiding and breaking Ishita's trust

3) Why does a person in YHM chose the sleeping time of another to coney their message? What was the purpose behind Ishita talking to a sleeping Aditya? When she saying the same when he is awake would make all the difference?

4) Why does it have to be one kid in return for the other? One goes the other comes? Why? Shagun is not a good person, she is not a mother forget good or bad, has no monetary support, has no clean morals can't they just fight against her and win ?

5) This is about the upcoming episodes : As of now Ishita is Raman's wife and Ruhi's mom. For Adi Ishita is not his mom but Ishita Aunty. Everybody including Ishita wants the best for Aditya, a safe place and a healthy environment devoid of all drama but for the sake of Aditya she decides to give up Ruhi. I am sorry but this is Ishita, Ruhi's Ishima we are talking about can a mother truly do that? No matter what the circumstance can a mother given up on her child even if temporarily?
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Posted: 10 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: -Gan-



that's why I didnt message you after watching it as I dont want you to be dragged into this mess..


Yeah there is no way I can watch this track without emotionally unravelling and then I would require therapy to get better so I would rather not watch lol, also I don't know what this says about me as a person because if i can't handle reel kids in pain how will I ever become a parent. 😕 I am told one needs to have a spine of steel to be a parent and I clearly don't.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#49
IshRa bedroom scene, my thought:
Cvs are finally sucessful in what they wanted to show. Just to glorify one character they destroyed other characters. Ppl bashing Raman for no reason. It's actually cvs who should be bashed. They wanted to show Ishu as a bechari, a innocent lady who really didn't understand her husband intentions for getting intimate. She thought its because of love. Kitana over glorify karoge Ishita ko? After stealing the papers. Raman will again go in gulit trip. Ishita will understand him after knowing the truth. She will forgive him and will become Maahan in viewers eyes. And the circle will go on repeating. If they wanted to show Ishu Mahan afterwards. They would have easily shown Raman stealing the papers after when she falls asleep. But cvs love drama and love to over glorify Ishu and they love to show Raman a villian..a cruel husband.
I really wanted them to show IshRa talking about Adi's problem and later discussing it with Ruhi. Making her understand about Adi's problem..
Ishita talking to Adi while sleeping:
It didn't made sense to me as well. I would have been happy if they could have shown Adi waken up and just pretending to sleep. And listening to whole Ishita talk. Or I would have been double happy if they could have shown Adi awake and discussing his problem with Ishu. And Ishu making him understand.. but why do we expect logic in YHM? Logic and YHM are far away from eachother these days..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: krishy13



Word...I was even ok with Ruhi being angry/"hating" the Bhallas for leaving her with Shagun, but if I'm reacting off all the news updates.

Meh, whatever...we have our remote controls until things get better!

Also I want KP eye candy back ASAP too! #yes I'm shallow


😆😆😆 me extremely shallow too... If we are going to be subjected to a horrible track, we should get something to look forward to !

I am finding it too difficult to fight for puttar just now !

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