A question for those who believe Raman should not be forgiven - Page 2

Originally posted by: sammywammy

Slapping someone and molesting them are two completely different things. I can't even comprehend how you can even compare the two. She gave him one slap, she didn't beat him up.

She's weaker than him, he tried to take advantage of her to satisfy his sexual frustrations. I don't even understand why can't raman just ASK ishita or confront her about Mani. Instead of going crazy with his overdrived imagination.

I don't think Ishita should divorce him over this but Raman did very wrong and needs to repent and apologise. His behaviour was disgusting.

I also think that ishita is overly friendly with mani. Why can't she see that Raman is jealous. Both characters are behaving ridiculously.

Ishita gave him one slap Raman is always taunting her and manhandling her.

Hi friends

Originally posted by: sammywammy

I didn't say all women are weaker than men. But physically ishita is weaker and Raman is a lot stronger. You can't deny that, I recall when ishita slapped Raman he took control of the sito and grabbed her from the face and threatened her. He can protect himself and defend himself. He was about to RAPE her, it's sickening that people on this forum are defending him. I'm not saying ishita is a saint or anything but with this situation Raman is at fault solely. Why is it that when a man doesn't get what he wants he resorts to molesting and attempting to rape a woman?? I think it's ridiculous that TV serials show such tracks, glorifying the male lead attempting to molest a woman, especially when we have countless rapes in India. It's not a good message Ekta is portraying to the Indian audiences. It's almost normalising the situation.

First Of all what raman did was completely wrong & no one should support him for that, but calling him rapist or he was about to rape her is wrong and just your assumption(as we are not knowing what his intention was). also as we have seen from start of YHM , raman is emotionally weak person and still has scars of his old marriage with shagun and when we wants to express himself he uses rude words so that people should not think he is weak or take his advantage as he was fooled by shagun and ashok when he was sweet and loving person. Also we cant imagine just how a person male/female goes when they are deceived by a person whom they loved and trusted the most and same situation is repeated once again with new spouse/husband...don't worry raman will apologize to ishita for his mistakes..but calling him rapist is uncalled for.

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

This has been gnawing on my mind ever since I've seen this forum erupt into topics about sexual harassment and woman's dignity following Raman's recent actions (which are wrong, no doubt about it).

My question is for those who believe Ishita should never forgive Raman and divorce him. I agree sexual harassment is wrong and what Raman did (or almost did) to Ishita can indeed be seen as sexual abuse.
I havn't come across a topic yet that says raman should never be forgiven and ishita should divorce him. If you are referring to the sarcastic comments in some topics by fustrated rational members who find every topic turned into an Ishita b*tchfest then those don't count.

HOWEVER, has everyone forgotten the time when Ishita was drunk at the Iyer party and Raman defended her since it wasn't her fault, and Ishita slapped him? Doesn't that construe as physical abuse, domestic abuse, and shouldn't that be an unforgivable? But I did not see ONE post on man's dignity or domestic abuse in the forum.

Why is it that when a woman abuses a man, it is totally forgivable and some women even applaud it as "daring" and a sign of "women empowerment"?

But when a man abuses a woman, it becomes such a serious issues and all the feminists in the world cry for that man to be given life imprisonment or whatever.

Maybe this is the reason why I don't like to be labelled as a feminist. Being a woman, I totally believe in gender equality and women empowerment, but to me, so much of today's feminism seems like another form of male chauvinism. Feminists only care about women and chauvinists only care about men. There are very few people who actually care about gender EQUALITY.

It should NOT be right for a woman to abuse a man. I've seen women unnecessarily slap their boyfriends/male classmates and get away with it by a gentle reprimand, but when a man slaps a woman he is suspended or even expelled. Why this bias between genders? Where's the gender equality in all this?

Why has Ishita been forgiven for slapping Raman and playing on his insecurities (both of which are different forms of abuse), when Raman should not be forgiven for almost molesting her?

Either both should be forgiven and move on or both should be punished and get a divorce. I hate this gender bias of portraying Raman as the villain and Ishita as the damsel in distress.

No one has condoned or justified ishita slapping raman...it was not raised. That does not mean it was condoned. As for the rest...when a girl forcbly retrains a boy and uses POWER and CONTROL andn molestetion, rape as punishment and if a husband, then a RIGHT THEN we can talk about this. What say? Maybe the girls can form gangs...start in delhi in trams what say?) and every time a wife's ego is hurt or she her feelings are hurt by her husband she should "haq jataa" on him😳 Right!
Its shameful that some ppl can't see that just coz ppl didn't condem ishita slapping raman...that means that these ppl are condoning it. 🤢

As for the TM not calling herself a feminist...are you old enough to vote? If you are and you ever have...thank the feminists oh and thank then too for having internet access coz without feminist... 17th century indian samaj would not be allowing you that or an education. Don't be a feminist but don't forget to thank them.😳

Nobody who has objected to raman's behaviour has ever said what ishita did is ok.

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

Both slapping and molesting are forms of abuse, and both can break a person in inconceivable ways. Let me put it this way. If Raman was the one who slapped Ishita, would you have said the same thing?

Sorry, but this is exactly the mentality why there is no equal rights in India. Women are not weaker than men! The fact that they give birth and live to tell the tale proves that women have a lot of physical strength. The problem is that it's not cultivated. Women are not taught from a young age to defend themselves. They are encouraged to be weak and dependent, but are women weak? NO. Look at a lot of indigenous cultures where women do a lot of physical labor that requires, or cultures where women are warriors and fight as well as the men.

Ishita is not weak and neither should she be projected as weak.

Abuse is abuse, whether it's physical, mental, or sexual. For me they are all the same.
If for you they are all the same...how come you haven't posted or objected to ramans constant verbal abuse of ishita??? Nuff said...I got no time for pseudo equality claptrap🤢
If someone slapped me or physically abused me, I'd be just as broken and hurt as if they'd sexually abused me (though in different ways), because I've always been taught never to raise my hand against someone. To inflict physical pain on another person is just as disgusting and detestable as to molest them.

Yes, Raman did a very wrong thing by molesting Ishita. NO ONE is denying that, but that does not make Raman a villain and Ishita a saint because Ishita emotionally and mentally abused Raman beyond comparison the past few weeks. I find her behavior just as sick and unforgivable as Raman's. Why doesn't anyone feel mental abuse is bad? Has anyone ever been mentally abused by someone? It feels terrible, absolutely terrible. Many people commit suicide because of mental abuse. It's in every bad just as bad as sexual or physical abuse and should NOT be taken lightly. Raman did wrong by physically abusing Ishita, but he's been on the receiving end of emotional abuse for several weeks ever since Mani came into the picture. A human being has their limits, and when their limits are pushed, they sometimes do the unthinkable. Does that make Raman's behavior right? NO WAY, but as a human being, can we try and understand his feelings? I would hope so.

Both Raman and Ishita have communication issues, not just Raman.
Wrong..here its puttar alll by himself. Coz its been clearly shown that each time ishita has tried to talk to him...he doesn't want to know and just shouts at her and puts her down.
The only way they can work past these recent events is by sitting down and talking honestly. BOTH need to repent and BOTH need to apologize for abusing each other. Will that happen though? No way. It'll be Raman who's going to repent, Ishita leaving the house because she's this Devi who can do no wrong and who has an immoral husband, and Raman going after her with pleas to come back. Why? Because this is an Ekta Kapoor show and she excels at stories where the heroine is Sita and the hero is Ravan. 👎🏼 There is going to be no Ishita repentance. I am 99.99% sure of it.

The wrongs of ishita and raman are NOT EQUAL that you can weigh them like that in terms of apology😆

"Oh My Lud... the defendent survived an attempted rape but she mislead her husband by having a male friend...Nooo my lud...my client did not question said friend or his wife as to what was going on...Yes my Lud...she DID try to get her husband to meet her friend but he didn't want to know...BUT she is obviously wrong!!😡 ...any man would thinks his wife is cheating on him will cry and attempt rape...because he has been EMOTIONALLY ABUSED my Lud...with the thought of his wife cheating on him. I rest my case my Lud... the defendent Ishita should apologise too " for the emotional abuse he suffered at the combined hands of ishia and her friend... 'NEVERMIND that it was his own doing and lack of guts and communication that he didn't seek clarification😳 Both must apologise coz otherwise puttar errr I mean raman will seem MORE wrong and well IF forum can't handle that😆

Now comon ishita and mani "jhappers" set the seal on regressive thinking and say that marital rape isn't a crime in india sooo even if raman had done it its ok!!🤪

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

This has been gnawing on my mind ever since I've seen this forum erupt into topics about sexual harassment and woman's dignity following Raman's recent actions (which are wrong, no doubt about it).

My question is for those who believe Ishita should never forgive Raman and divorce him. I agree sexual harassment is wrong and what Raman did (or almost did) to Ishita can indeed be seen as sexual abuse.

HOWEVER, has everyone forgotten the time when Ishita was drunk at the Iyer party and Raman defended her since it wasn't her fault, and Ishita slapped him? Doesn't that construe as physical abuse, domestic abuse, and shouldn't that be an unforgivable? But I did not see ONE post on man's dignity or domestic abuse in the forum.

Why is it that when a woman abuses a man, it is totally forgivable and some women even applaud it as "daring" and a sign of "women empowerment"?

But when a man abuses a woman, it becomes such a serious issues and all the feminists in the world cry for that man to be given life imprisonment or whatever.

Maybe this is the reason why I don't like to be labelled as a feminist. Being a woman, I totally believe in gender equality and women empowerment, but to me, so much of today's feminism seems like another form of male chauvinism. Feminists only care about women and chauvinists only care about men. There are very few people who actually care about gender EQUALITY.

It should NOT be right for a woman to abuse a man. I've seen women unnecessarily slap their boyfriends/male classmates and get away with it by a gentle reprimand, but when a man slaps a woman he is suspended or even expelled. Why this bias between genders? Where's the gender equality in all this?

Why has Ishita been forgiven for slapping Raman and playing on his insecurities (both of which are different forms of abuse), when Raman should not be forgiven for almost molesting her?

Either both should be forgiven and move on or both should be punished and get a divorce. I hate this gender bias of portraying Raman as the villain and Ishita as the damsel in distress.

@bold-I want to comment on this part.I never visited YHM forum at that time when this episode was aired,where Ishita slapped Raman.So,don't know what went in the forum.But did watch that episode.It was wrong action from Ishita.As she had assumed that Raman have tricked her in consuming that drink .This the problem of this couple that they assume a lot of things without even asking the other about the fact and react instantly.And now playing with insecurities.I don't agree on this part .Yes she knew that Raman was jealous but she was not able to know that it was taking hell out of him.That he was constantly being reminded of his dreadful past.I don't think Ishita is such inhuman that she will feel satisfied or find pleasure in seeing Raman going thru hell again.If that so,then she would not have said to give all his sorrows to her.It was not at all deliberately done...but totally unknowingly.So,I think that now it's high time Ishita should know about the hell that Raman went thru.

@Panthera,

@divine_16,

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

@divine_16,

I totally agree that both Ishita and Raman have major communication issues, but my frustration lies in the fact that all blame is placed on Raman both by viewers and the CVs. What message does this pass to people? Raman doesn't have insecurities for no reason. He was treated beyond redemption by Shagun. He was abused by her in the most horrible manner. Obviously it's going to leave a mark.

I'm also not comparing a slap to molestation. I'm comparing the mental state of Raman with the mental state of Ishita. I have never said anywhere that what Raman did was right. I am highly disgusted by sexual harassment and never ever ever ever support it in any manner! I don't get why people are getting so sensitive over this issue that they cannot try and understand Raman's mental state. Raman is not an evil person. His actions cannot be defended, but we can empathize with his mental state. Ishita was party responsible for it. Saying Ishita did wrong does NOT mean Ishita deserved molestation. I don't get why people are coming to such conclusions.

Why can't we allocate blame where it's deserved? Why is it so hard to believe that Ishita and Raman have both done many wrong things in this track, and both need to repent? Why is it so necessary to paint Ishita like a saint and Raman like a villain? Is there no such thing as being human anymore? Does one have to be black or white? Is there no gray area in every human being?

Well...I can't say about others. Bcoz ..certain posts make me disgusted.And @ bold part...SORRY if I have misinterpreted.But your line did convey such meaning ,so I commented.I personally not in any single post of mine said that Ishita is saint and Raman is a villain(but y'day what Raman did was utterly wrong).That's why I mentioned that he had a dreadful past...and as Raman didn't share anything of his pain to anyone it made a grave mark in his mind and heart.I completely understand his mental state.And as for Ishita...well she had done that unknowingly making Raman going thru that phase again...though it was a total assumption from Raman that Ishita is cheating on him.Both r at fault.Both have to realize that .And this can only happen with a substantial and mature convo...they both need to bare their heart in front of each other.

hatsoff to ur post...atleast nw forum wont be baised betwn ishita r raman..im neutral...im a ishra fan...