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Posted: 10 years ago
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If Mani had entered the show 3 or 4 months ago, this track would have made a whole lot of sense. But IMO, we have seen a significant development in Raman's character and the ishra equation in the last few months and this current track seems to be taking away from that development just for the sake of fitting in Mani's character at this juncture.
Yes many of Raman's taunts are extremely rude and aggressive (and they seem to have been turned up a notch recently just to fit in the current track it seems) but we have seen Ishita parkate in this taunt baazi with Raman multiple times. She has also clearly stated on many occasions that she enjoys this banter between them and also understands that the intention behind the taunt is not vile.

Why are we conveniently ignoring all the wonderful things that Raman has done for Ishita and her family. Why do the tanuts take precedence over all the nice things he has done when judging his care and concern towards her? And if Ishita is truly bothered by his taunts and anger, why does she not bring this up to him as a serious matter. On the contrary, when he tries to apologize for his outburst, she asks him to not apologize and sympathizes with him. If she has the guts to stand up for Ruhi/Shagun/parmeet/"the right thing" against Raman, why does she not have the guts to stand up for herself. IMO, its because she knows that Raman and his taunts are harmless. Raman has shown a lot of respect towards Ishita (especially as their relationship has developed over the last few months). He understands and has verbalized the sacrifices she has made for his family (the license/presidentship track) which tells me that he does value her.

To come to the point, I HATE Mani because his introduction in the story seems to be intentionally and illogically eroding away at the significant progress that Ishita and Raman have made so far.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reina1


There are a lot of double-standards floating around in this forum, I will be interested to see how they change when its back to Shagun jhaap. As long as the beloved Raman is not tainted or hurt, I am sure they'll be fine.


you stole words from my mouth...i know this is a deviaiton from the thread...

The thing here as i understood is, in general.. RKB is considered ok.(Nature..a disturbed person). despite his doing worst things and of course great if he does good...

And ishitha as ekta's bahu has gone out of her comfort zone and helped others in al the ways she could...Here again im not saying raman has not done anything for others.. But the thing is ishitha has in a way done things which could have cost her badly...And people tend to forget that by thinking she is Mahaan and that's y she did them and that is what you should not be.. and she pisses RKB.. blah..blah.. blah..

But the point is..she can be blamed for that... at the same time we need to recognize her for her un selfish , and putting others infront of you, caring for everyone nature... which is Raman does but only for his family and closest ones... i believe..yeah of course she has done some mistakes there...

And he should come out of his zone eventualy...and stop being a lot biased towards his son Vs Ishitha..Or else there is no meaning in the marraige with one sided sacrifices,, which according to me is a Major thing than all others...

Comparitively ishitha post marriage has gone through a lot than Raman...i strongly feel.. in most of the ways...🥱



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Apparently

If Mani had entered the show 3 or 4 months ago, this track would have made a whole lot of sense. But IMO, we have seen a significant development in Raman's character and the ishra equation in the last few months and this current track seems to be taking away from that development just for the sake of fitting in Mani's character at this juncture.

Yes many of Raman's taunts are extremely rude and aggressive (and they seem to have been turned up a notch recently just to fit in the current track it seems) but we have seen Ishita parkate in this taunt baazi with Raman multiple times. She has also clearly stated on many occasions that she enjoys this banter between them and also understands that the intention behind the taunt is not vile.

Why are we conveniently ignoring all the wonderful things that Raman has done for Ishita and her family. Why do the tanuts take precedence over all the nice things he has done when judging his care and concern towards her? And if Ishita is truly bothered by his taunts and anger, why does she not bring this up to him as a serious matter. On the contrary, when he tries to apologize for his outburst, she asks him to not apologize and sympathizes with him. If she has the guts to stand up for Ruhi/Shagun/parmeet/"the right thing" against Raman, why does she not have the guts to stand up for herself. IMO, its because she knows that Raman and his taunts are harmless. Raman has shown a lot of respect towards Ishita (especially as their relationship has developed over the last few months). He understands and has verbalized the sacrifices she has made for his family (the license/presidentship track) which tells me that he does value her.

To come to the point, I HATE Mani because his introduction in the story seems to be intentionally and illogically eroding away at the significant progress that Ishita and Raman have made so far.


@bold I noticed that. He started being excessively rude a day or two prior to Mani's entrance (at least that's what I feel).

I think part of the problem, though, is that they actually haven't made much progress at all. They seem to, but when they take one step forward, they also seem to take one step back. They'll do sweet stuff (like that license/presidentship track), thank each other in front of everyone, and then go back to their nok-jhok. I love their little banters because there has always been a hidden attraction in them, but it's time to move past that. But they can't move past that phase in their relationship if they don't learn to talk to each other calmly and rationally. That's what this track is for. To teach Raman to be a little calmer towards Ishu (at the very least).

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reina1


Exactly, I felt that somewhere, there was a double standard that stems from an innate love for the hero that people seem to have. ...Girls can have exes, and pasts and good friends too.



WORD. I seriously don't get the biases towards the male characters often...the side effects of having majority of female audiences i guess. My judgment ain't completely valid...but thats seems to be the reason to me.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reina1


First of all, thank you so much love for being so mature and kind. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I would never condemn one that is presented so well. See the thing is I agree Mani is annoying in all her perfectness, but I think somewhere he is needed as 'the other' that Raman can evaluate himself against. Before, Raman had nothing to compare himself with, his ego was inflated and he thought he could do no wrong. With Mani, he has realized that being a smart CEO is not sufficient to get her attention. He felt before he was not successful like Ashok and that's why Shagun left, so he became successful. But not he has realized that hey Mani too is successful, so there's that missing factor that he needs to get Ishita's attention. He always cared for her, but love is friendship on fire said someone great (I don't remember) and this is what I am seeing now. Raman's actions are normal, and justified actually. He is confused, he is angry at himself, and the situation, he is jealous but doesn't understand what's happening with him. So his outbursts are normal. Why wouldn't she think that about Shagun, the guy doesn't even give Ishita the time of day, yet if Shagun needs him, he's there for her aid in a second. Ishita has the sword of insecurity hanging over her head for so long. I also feel that at this point he doesn't mean to be a catalyst, he is only looking out for Ishu, he needs to understand the dynamics of their relationship more to do it consciously.


@bold Yes Ishita as a woman her insecurity is right in her place, but its not that Raman has always ignored Ishita and ran after Shagun only. Unfortunately SHagun is Raman's ex and also Raman has to be in touch with his child whether Ishita likes it or not. He has been shown as yelling Shagun but never yelled at Adi coz Adi had clearly said in the court that dad hits me n Raman had restraining orders against that. So if Raman yells at Adi, Raman thinks he might not be able to even see his child.

N if I remember even Ishita empathizes with Shagun n also helped her in her worst phases like drunk incident she got her home and making Mihir accept her as his sister.

Having said all this I agree that Raman shud control his anger n rude behavior. Which Ishita is surely helping him with (i.e. we don't need Mani here). It is true that only a sacrificing n understanding kind of person like ishita can handle Raman. But still I find it annoying that a different Man is pitted against him to show him how to be sensitive towards his wife when Raman was many a times sensitive towards Ishita in the past.

@red Raman mostly knew that he was wrong despite his ego,

When during Param track he did not support her when she was being bashed by his family members, he later on proved how cheapskate Permeet is n also apologized n said Sorry to Ishita n got her back home.

during Accident track he was hiding things from ishita he knew he was doing it wrong for saving his child a punishment. But he ultimately came to very same Ishita and apologized and also asked her to be his strength.

When recently he in his angry outburst said to Ishita tumhe ghar se nikal dunga after Shagun n Ashok drama. He apologized again that I was too insensitive to u n she sympathized with him saying its ok don't be sorry n all coz I knew that u really didn't mean it.

Well I can argue with this whole night 😆In my opinion both ISHRA are right n wrong in their ways n that is the reason I love them equally.

my only grudge is CV's shudnt have got mani factor in Ishra story, they were beautiful otherwise. 😳 Yes ishita's past shud be dealt with but the most imp factor of her past is her inability to conceive n her hurt of not being a perfect woman, this cud have been shown with the medical complications n Raman trying to be more sensitive towards her after realizing what all pain she suffered, no need to get Mani into the picture 😊



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reina1

There are a lot of double-standards floating around in this forum, I will be interested to see how they change when its back to Shagun jhaap. As long as the beloved Raman is not tainted or hurt, I am sure they'll be fine.

Oh yeah for sure...Hell, i haven't seen so much hate towards the other negative characters we've had...I guess because they someway or the other have played cupid for Ishra at times. Whereas, Mani is clearly a positive character and the outcome of his involvement will take some time to appear i.e. Improvement in Ishra's relation and Raman's realisation. We have to wait and then react...making such strong judgements so early is what i don't like

I am so glad to see like- minded members here, otherwise the other thread had me in shock at the reactions.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't knew whether I should make this point or not but let me go ahead and make it, I wonder how many mani haters are married women? For fans of jodis on TV it is difficult to see the Jodi as a unit unless you are married yourself - most who hate mani are raman fans or KP fans not realizing Jodi is two characters and then some!
Also another example we tend to romanticize every small gesture and action the sad part of involving in a forum discussing a show cvs are not that deep yaar

Meanwhile let's all enjoy this wonderful ishra vm

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfvfqt23rQ0
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: seared


you stole words from my mouth...i know this is a deviaiton from the thread...

The thing here as i understood is, in general.. RKB is considered ok.(Nature..a disturbed person). despite his doing worst things and of course great if he does good...

And ishitha as ekta's bahu has gone out of her comfort zone and helped others in al the ways she could...Here again im not saying raman has not done anything for others.. But the thing is ishitha has in a way done things which could have cost her badly...And people tend to forget that by thinking she is Mahaan and that's y she did them and that is what you should not be.. and she pisses RKB.. blah..blah.. blah..

But the point is..she can be blamed for that... at the same time we need to recognize her for her un selfish , and putting others infront of you, caring for everyone nature... which is Raman does but only for his family and closest ones... i believe..yeah of course she has done some mistakes there...

And he should come out of his zone eventualy...and stop being a lot biased towards his son Vs Ishitha..Or else there is no meaning in the marraige with one sided sacrifices,, which according to me is a Major thing than all others...

Comparitively ishitha post marriage has gone through a lot than Raman...i strongly feel.. in most of the ways...🥱





Some always give justification to Raman's actions .for ex, his past is more painful, he is a bechara majboor baap , his past made him like this and so on.but if ishita do something ( because of that ishita has to pay hard) people say mahan Devi ishita.. Both do mistakes so many times why to blame one and justify others mistake.. So double standard do exist in forum ..both has painful past .ishita looks happy and calm doesn't make her past is not hurting her.her infertility issue is a big and serious one and still it hurts her..

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Posted: 10 years ago
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bold I noticed that. He started being excessively rude a day or two prior to Mani's entrance (at least that's what I feel).

I think part of the problem, though, is that they actually haven't made much progress at all. They seem to, but when they take one step forward, they also seem to take one step back. They'll do sweet stuff (like that license/presidentship track), thank each other in front of everyone, and then go back to their nok-jhok. I love their little banters because there has always been a hidden attraction in them, but it's time to move past that. But they can't move past that phase in their relationship if they don't learn to talk to each other calmly and rationally. That's what this track is for. To teach Raman to be a little calmer towards Ishu (at the very least).


Agreed...to a certain extent. Neither of them is willing to move past the "sirf ruhi ke liye" cover (at least when it comes to openly expressing things) but this is a problem for BOTH of them. They have been shown to talk to each other calmly and discuss things as adults on multiple instances Its just that the "talk"has never focused on their relationship. But if the goal of this track is to blow the "sirf ruhi ke liye" cover, I have to say that the execution has been extremely poor. Because the Raman from a few weeks ago WOULD talk nicely to Ishita and take care of her (as was shown after the wrist injury- minus some jabs here and there- which again I don't believe Ishita minds anyway) but just would not admit that he was doing it for her. The writers now wanting me to believe that Raman is incapable of being sweet and even remotely nice to her (even under the sirf ruhi ke liye cover) is not comprehensible.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yeah Raman maybe a nice guy in love with Ishita but he knows nothing about her and above all he has never made an effort to know any thing he doesn't even know basic information ,i love the Mani track and Raman should watch and learn from Mani and also others if not love a little bit of respect how a women is to be treated he has plenty examples in front of him Bala/Vandu Vishwa/Madavi even Mihika/Mihir even the Villian like Ashok and Param .Romi made a good point in his outburst from an outsiders point of view if his own family has that opinion what will others think " Rawan Kumar".

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