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Posted: 10 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: Reina1


I honestly don't see too much of a growth in their relationship. In fact I feel they were closer post the Param track, and after the accident track. Since then they have kind of regressed.

Its not quite the taunts, the one liners are okay, but sometimes, the way he talks about her in front of even his parents is wrong. Also despite her doing so much for him, the slightest slip, and he's back yelling at her as we saw after she tried telling him about ShaShok. If you asked him to buy her a gift, he wouldn't know what to get. They have never fully discussed their past and let it air out. A proper love story develops (IMO) as they learn more about each other. I feel that Raman doesn't know much about Ishita at all. He thinks she's pretty, but then he calls her Kachra, which was weird. Also tbh, he hasn't done much except get her license back, and help Amma, which cancels out by the fact that he supported his son in that after. In fact, most of the time, he seems rather indifferent to her. To me personally, it feels just like a friendship between two kids, who fight make up and fight make up. There needed to be that fire, that spark, and I think Mani is that spark to push it past stagnation, and consolidate their relationship as love.


@bold- but as soon as he apologized for his behavior, Ishita was back to sympathizing with him...why? If she is truly hurt, why not express it? Makes me think that she is not really bothered by it too much. She has no issues standing up to Raman when it comes to giving refuge to his ex, so why not stand up for herself if he is truly hurting her?

@ bold 2 and 3: I do agree with this to a large extent. And I do think it goes both ways (but definitely applies more to Raman than Ishita but a lot of it is also cultural --- the girl moves into the husband's house and has to assimilate herself into the family and so forth and this in a way forces her to learn about her husband and his family).

As to your point about what Raman has done for Ishita, I could go on and list many other instances but that is not the point I am trying to argue- I think both Raman and Ishita have done plenty for each other.

As I alluded to in another post in this thread, I think the writers and some of the viewers are confusing two different issues- the issue here is that both Raman and Ishita need to blow the "sirf Ruhi ke liye cover" and actually move forward in their relationship as partners. To that extent, I think the scene between Mani and Raman today answering the doc's questions was well-placed. But how does blowing the "sirf ruhi ke liye" cover translate into the assumption and depiction that Raman is uncaring towards Ishita and does not value her? Because if he does not even care or value her or respect her as you say, then these two can't even be called friends! If you are arguing that Mani is the catalyst to consolidate their love, then you must admit that Raman already cares, values and respects her but just does not express it because it will blow the "sirf ruhi ke liye" cover.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: AroraTanya


There are so many flaws in Mr.Perfect Mani character to criticize him:
1. He's Ishita's bestest friend. Where was he when Subbu dumped her? He was not there even once during the worst phase of her life. He's definitely not a believer of " a friend in need is a friend indeed".

One can only help if one is aware. It is quite likely that he left heartbroken after they got together, and was never informed about their breakup until very late. There is also the phone, plus we haven't seen much of that phase in Ishita's life, so cannot really say.


2. Mani has two kids. He's been at Iyyers for two days completely forgetting his kids. Did Mr.Perfect try once to know how were they at the other side of the city alone?

To be fair, we didn't see much of any of the kids. But if they can have Mihir behind Raman one shot then running into the hospital another shot, Mani could have very well given his kids up for adoption😆

3. Ishita told him Ashok's a bad guy and he himself saw how shamelessly he behaved at the party while he was drunk. Yet when Ashok gave him an earful of lies, Mani instantly chose to believe him and made up his mind Raman was misfit as husband.

Mani wasn't ONLY affected by his words. He was disturbed since he saw Romi who is family. Ashok only confirmed what he suspected for a while. I bet if he had seen a good relationship and Ashok had said that he wouldn't have bought it. People are impressionable when it comes to loved ones and people we care about.

4. Mani's very ethical about his business, behaves in very polished way. Yet he can't curb his OTT enthusiasm to drool over a married woman 24/7.

Firstly I have never seen him 'drool' over Ishita. But there is nothing unethical about finding a married person attractive so long as you don't start acting on it. If you think someone's hot, there's unfortunately nothing much you can do about it. Looking from afar has never been a sin. I have had several professors and TAs that I KNOW are married, yet I would go the entire year thinking they're hella hot, and drool over them😆. Mani has done nothing to directly interfere in IshRa's life without reason.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#93
I don't think mani is a bad guy but he is looking at things from a completely wrong perspective. although, he needs to stop mentioning how much he loves ishita. that is annoying.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: Apparently


@bold- but as soon as he apologized for his behavior, Ishita was back to sympathizing with him...why? If she is truly hurt, why not express it? Makes me think that she is not really bothered by it too much. She has no issues standing up to Raman when it comes to giving refuge to his ex, so why not stand up for herself if he is truly hurting her?

@ bold 2 and 3: I do agree with this to a large extent. And I do think it goes both ways (but definitely applies more to Raman than Ishita but a lot of it is also cultural --- the girl moves into the husband's house and has to assimilate herself into the family and so forth and this in a way forces her to learn about her husband and his family).

As to your point about what Raman has done for Ishita, I could go on and list many other instances but that is not the point I am trying to argue- I think both Raman and Ishita have done plenty for each other.

As I alluded to in another post in this thread, I think the writers and some of the viewers are confusing two different issues- the issue here is that both Raman and Ishita need to blow the "sirf Ruhi ke liye cover" and actually move forward in their relationship as partners. To that extent, I think the scene between Mani and Raman today answering the doc's questions was well-placed. But how does blowing the "sirf ruhi ke liye" cover translate into the assumption and depiction that Raman is uncaring towards Ishita and does not value her? Because if he does not even care or value her or respect her as you say, then these two can't even be called friends! If you are arguing that Mani is the catalyst to consolidate their love, then you must admit that Raman already cares, values and respects her but just does not express it because it will blow the "sirf ruhi ke liye" cover.


YES, of course he does, but my point is essentially, that he has never shown it directly. Valuing her actually I don't know, maybe he does but he tends to take her for granted, but he does care for her, and respect, but those two things need to be shown more clearly. Not covered in awkward exchanges and playfights. As for Ishita, I don't think she expects anything from Raman, so the little she gets she takes. But my issues with Ishita can go on forever too, so let's not get into that. 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: pomegranate

I don't think mani is a bad guy but he is looking at things from a completely wrong perspective. although, he needs to stop mentioning how much he loves ishita. that is annoying.


Mani contrary to what people seem to think is not all perfect. He's been 'annoying' since the time he met Ishita at the coffee shop, but people seem to be blaming him for some completely other reasons. This is what I gathered from the forum. I think annoying or otherwise, a catalyst was needed, because they had kind of stagnated in a weird happy place, that was more than friendship but not quite love.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#96
oh god people are being so over the top about this track. lol everything is gonna work out eventually and this mani will not pose a threat to raman and ishita unless writers decided to do a 360 turn.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: pomegranate

oh god people are being so over the top about this track. lol everything is gonna work out eventually and this mani will not pose a threat to raman and ishita unless writers decided to do a 360 turn.


I kind of stepped out and looked on the On Location thread, its like WWIII there. Eventually, we will be back to hating Shagun, so for now, I am enjoying having no actual villains. I came to understand, and left more confused.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Reina1


I kind of stepped out and looked on the On Location thread, its like WWIII there. Eventually, we will be back to hating Shagun, so for now, I am enjoying having no actual villains. I came to understand, and left more confused.


the reactions as well as throwing shade at members with the opposite opinions
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Posted: 10 years ago
#99
Mani is the way for Raman to realize Ishta's importance in his life..he is also the one to make Raman reconsider his behaviour towards Ishita..he is also the one to make Raman realize his faults..I think we should be happy about Mani because in his absence we will never see Raman seeing these things..Also as a friend Mani is nowhere wrong..he flirts with Ishita at times but it is harmless because he is also comfortable to flirt with her in front of Raman which clearly shows he is just kidding and has no bad intentions..Mani-Ishita behave like any childhood friends with good comfort level and trust..Mani chapter can only have good results for Ishra so I don't understand the negativity regarding the track..
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Reina1


I kind of stepped out and looked on the On Location thread, its like WWIII there. Eventually, we will be back to hating Shagun, so for now, I am enjoying having no actual villains. I came to understand, and left more confused.

OK totally off topic but I love your DP 😃 Olicity are awesome😳😳

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