A Trail of Breadcrumbs through Reflections - Page 10

Originally posted by: MERARAI

He creeps me out too, yikes, that I turn away and just hear his dialogues.😆

Originally posted by: btalwar

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

@bold - you mean to say you wanted to go beyond PG... I DEFINITELY WANT THAT SEQUEL FROM YOU NOW Please Bhanu please...you can bug Uz and I am sure she wont mind... she is the numero uno in subtlety with these things 😉

Originally posted by: redwine1

Now tell me in all this definition of marriage where is it a CRIMINAL OFFENCE TO COMMIT ADULTERY .. ???

I reacted to the word CRIMINAL .. it was not a crime to leave her husband .. How she left him was WRONG .. it was MORAL WOUND INFLICTED ON A PERSON ..

MY POST as i mentioned was not about who is more wrong SUBBU OR SHAGUN .. both are WRONG ..( read my reply to Oishi a page ahead)

I asked u a simple question where are the PARALLELS BETWEEN WHAT MIHIR DID & WHAT BALA DID ...

Whether what Bala did was right or wrong is not the issue here .. whether mihir is wrong or right is not the issue here ..

All i ask is MIHIR had the CONVICTION to STAND BY WHAT IS RIGHT .. & in the PROCESS OF RIGHT HE GAVE UP HIS FAMILY .. whether he is right or wrong is not the issue here .. this is what he did

BAlA .. did support RIGHT .. but he chose the MID PATH .. that of keeping a close touch with his FAMILY .. while also Supporting his in laws ... I am not saying he is WRONG .. just that he did things differently ...

ONCE AGAIN i ask the simple question ... DID BALA TAKE A STANCE ???

What u write about normalcy in Bala Vandu's life is not in ques here .. by that sense .. won't MIHIR & MIHIKA have a normal life .. will their kids not question

BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT I ASKED ...

When u say parallels .. Mihir gave up his life his family for a man called raman bhalla who he felt was in the right ... once again when he felt his brother raman was wrong he supported his BHABHI .. ISHITA .. this man only supports right ...

he stood up during his engagement to Trisha & said .. i know i have lost the one i love .. but i can't do this to TRISHA .. i can't let her live a lie .. this guy STANDS FOR WHAT IS RIGHT ...

PPS : pls be gentle with the reply ... 😉

Ruby .. hope it helps clear my POV ... 😳

Ruby ... I never said that she committed a crime when she left Raman, am not talking about Shagun the wife who committed adultery ... it is acceptable ... it is a grey world and everyone has the right to make choices. She committed a crime when she left Ruhi, when she changed the perspective of Adi, and she does not stop at that. She just does not miss any chance to meddle with Raman's world. It may not legally be a crime, but in my book, this is definitely a crime.

The parallel is self-explanatory. Bala went ahead and supported her sister in law in her time of need in his manner while Mihir supported his brother in law in his time of need in his manner. The roads they took may be different, but their destination was definitely the same ... be there and support the person in need.

I wrote about the normalcy to answer your question of Bala's insecurity. I do not find him insecure. He is a normal man who will get afraid in adverse situations, yet he will find a way to sort them out with the help of his partner. The solutions may not be perfect but they help them progress in life .. together and that is what makes them normal. Remember, I said, we live in a grey world. He is striving in this grey world itself.

Beautifully written! Hope the CVs think it out and bring it out as beautifully as you've put it..😳

Originally posted by: redwine1

According to me .. Ishita has not come to TERMS WITH RAMAN'S PAST .. i.e. his love for his ex wife ...😳 my ques to u is .. can u explain how u feel Ishita has come to terms with ramans past ... ?

On the bold blue : this is what i wrote ..

During the first Param reveal .. what i loved ( after the male BG) was Raman's dialog to bala .. Now a whole lot of people i am sure thot that was for BALA ... but no that discourse was for Ishita & Ishita alone ..Raman was actually not speaking to Bala at all ...

On the bold black: he did not do a thing to PROVE HIMSELF .. he did it to prove to ISHITA .. thats what i have written as well ...

heres what i wrote ..

he is struggling with being the MAN for her .. the person whom she will go to FIRST ... THE PERSON WHO WILL NOT LET HER DOWN .. THE PERSON WHO WILL BE HER FIRST PORT OF CALL ... THE PERSON WHO CAN DELIVER A SMILE TO HER FACE ..

yes but you wrote also that Errr i showed you that your ideal man could not do for you that i did. that s why I felt you wanted to tell that raman tried to show ishu that bala is low. i know he was not speaking to bala. it was only for ishu because after all that hangama she expected raman to tell her to stay but she din get so she instigated him by 2 times calling lets go to home. and raman knew bala is important to iyers that s why he called bala and he actually taunted ishu that he was fixed between family and wife.

He was not centered to that you don't go to bala. he wanted to perform his duties of protecting her being her husband. even if she would have gone to any other person than bala, he would have done same.
he wanted to make her feel, "now you don't need to wander anywhere to solve your problems, come to me only" he din like she kept hiding all till matter got ugly. he said : why din you talk to me(his inner message was we are married , we should be for each other)

Ishu is aware right from beginning episodes about raman s past. slowly she got all idea about it. the only thing left was adi that was revealed to her on wedding day. she has acknowledged all in 17 july episode .

btw you din enlighten me so asking you again that when did raman feel that he achieved impossible "the man " tag in his wife s eyes? please enlighten me. Because I have not seen that kind of satisfaction in his eyes by monologues even. he was only keened for her smile and as dues return to what she had done till now for his daughter and his family.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Bhanu excellent post and I agree with you on this.

I don't blame Shagun for ending a marriage she was unhappy with but the way she went about it and in doing so the way she used, ruined and abused her own kids.

Raman too IMO has erred a lot when it comes to his children esp Ruhi when he neglected her but..BUT what redeems him is that he has finally understood that he erred, he is trying to make amends for it. For Adi he may delay but he chooses to do the right thing like how he turned him in and made him say sorry in the princy' office in the school the other day.

Now when it comes to Ruhi his offence, his crime was neglect which is where he has made progress too...it is precisely why we got the RuMan scene that touched us so. In Jan he had a scene with Ishu and Ruhi where they go shopping and there he had no idea what to pick for her and just wanted to pay bills and leave - her size, fav color even the correct shoes he knew nothing... now while those errors can be attributed to him being a man they weren't - cos he just had NO idea about his child but now, NOW he knows all there is to know about her, he pays attention to her smallest things and it is this which makes him also vulnerable and think when she asks her last question - who is her fav person? - he thinks he cannot be that person because of the way he has been with her for years but he overlooked one thing - the love of his own daughter, his guilt made him even say Muthu' name but she absolved and forgave him in that one line and he found bliss.

And Subu' act is not a crime but an act of cowardice.

Now coming to Mihir and Bala - like I have said none had it easy here... the only thing is Bala had to maintain some balance in his family and he could because while he brother did break an innocent girl' heart he does make Bala feel ashamed - it is not because he was an adulterer who chose to cheat on his wife and vows and leave his kids - he left a girl stranded after promising her the moon for a lifetime. And breaking ties with his family would not have been the right thing to do - instead he chose to maintain a distance and find a midway where I think he chose to live in a nuclear family setup so that even Vandu can keep her family around and they can come to their home without any cause to have doubts or without creating a scene where they may face his mom' taunts and be embarrassed.

Mihir in his stance to break ties was and is right because what his sis did is indeed a crime - against her own family.

While in a way what Shagun and Subu did are similar acts they aren't too - they both chose to leave their partners - one owing to greed, other because of his inability to accept her shortcoming thus being a coward - what's different in their acts is... one may have hurt an entire family including his own blood when breaking the heart of a girl, he didn't ruin anyone' name or family and had the good sense to not stay in his ex' face all the time... the other she not only ruined a family, soured the ties between those she left behind, she did it out of greed and even when she had done what she could she wasn't satisfied - she still wants and wanted the best of both the worlds - she wants the comfort and riches and she wants the attention of a man she dumped.

👏👏 could not agree with you more

yes but you wrote also that Errr i showed you that your ideal man could not do for you that i did. that s why I felt you wanted to tell that raman tried to show ishu that bala is low. i know he was not speaking to bala. it was only for ishu because after all that hangama she expected raman to tell her to stay but she din get so she instigated him by 2 times calling lets go to home. and raman knew bala is important to iyers that s why he called bala and he actually taunted ishu that he was fixed between family and wife.

He was not centered to that you don't go to bala. he wanted to perform his duties of protecting her being her husband. even if she would have gone to any other person than bala, he would have done same.
he wanted to make her feel, "now you don't need to wander anywhere to solve your problems, come to me only" he din like she kept hiding all till matter got ugly. he said : why din you talk to me(his inner message was we are married , we should be for each other)

Ishu is aware right from beginning episodes about raman s past. slowly she got all idea about it. the only thing left was adi that was revealed to her on wedding day. she has acknowledged all in 17 july episode .

Originally posted by: redwine1

Zene ..

its all there in the post yaar ,...

@ BOLD1: i have said . ur Perfect man can err .. so did I ...(raman) .. i did not say he said i stood up for u when Bala did not ...

@ BOLD 2: .. Zene ... when i talk coming to terms with Raman's past i mean she still thinks RAMAN IS IN LOVE WITH SHAGUN ... it is not about his divorce .. the betrayal of Shagun or Adi's existence .. its her belief on what she feels that her HUSBAND HAS NOT MOVED ON ...

@ BOLD 3: kindly see the vrah laxmi episode .. when he comes home with the 2nd sari .. he says clearly .. u have got 2 gifts from me today .. & he talks about the license ... then says CAN U NOT SMILE .. basically if u read the deeper meaning in that dialog . it means .. he did all this for her .. to be the person who will deliver on all counts for his wife .. the man to deliver all happiness in her life ..

which alludes to him wanting to be "the man" now this whole licence track was about establishing the status quo .. when she tells him that i spoke to a professor .. he says the time to talk is gone .. now i will get ur licence back .. at the clinic when Suraj misbehaves with her .. she says she can handle him .. but its Raman who still steps in & handles Suraj ..

i have actually explained this in detail in the post itself .. do give it another read .. maybe u will get ur answers ..

well it seems your tone as writer is of upper level that I am not getting sometimes when you use err i considered it as taunt rather than simple talk .
btw , I got you ruby but he has not considered himself as perfect man for the woman who has done a lot for her. he has always felt that he has hurt her.

see this is my pov strictly, feel free to disagree but this is how I have watched IshRa progress:

Like I have said a lot in your post for "when you were sleeping" that he has given clear indications many times that now she is only his life partner in every means . right from salsa dance when he asked her to accompany him for dance and in life, when he said in accident track that she is his wife, asked her to become his strength, recently he said he wants to new start with her making new memories, and last she is out of his heart . how many times still he wants her to make her assure ? he has insulted shagun a lot so many times,. it s his way to react and to express that he has moved on. if she does not understand it s her problem. she is not mature enough if she does not understand this. if she can get that he is very soft from inner side how come she will not get that he has moved on from his past ? 😆

Ishita has at least idea that he is in the phase of middle of the way where he has moved on from shagun, and he is considering her as a friend and accident track was actually testing point of his moving on process and track was over he asked her to become his strength. this is where ruhi came in their scene asking for new baby. I saw him first time observing ishita s reaction to know if she is ready for new life without any resistance . Because he knew sooner or later he is going to fall for her if they are married and bound to live together under common shelter what I think practically and I have seen in arranged marriage. he knows she is too fragile heart and even he has hurt her a lot but he thinks things will be fine soon.

for varlaxmi vrat and saree : IMO he wanted her smile back. recall his monologue, "iski smile ke aage president ship kuch bhi nahi" because he respects her a lot and he could not see her upset and crying . he still feels himself as lower than her in terms of husband who ishita deserves for. because as a husband he has got that rejection and he does not want same failure again .

and he knows as a well known person and successful businessman he could powers than why he would wait for that random professor ? It was not to prove himself. it was to give to asap what she had lost .

regarding harassing by ashok, he is following vows to protect wife is HIS responsibility always as husband.

yes he will deliver all of her life s happiness but not to prove himself in her eyes but because she deserves it

well it seems your tone as writer is of upper level that I am not getting sometimes when you use err i considered it as taunt rather than simple talk .
btw , I got you ruby but he has not considered himself as perfect man for the woman who has done a lot for her. he has always felt that he has hurt her.

see this is my pov strictly, feel free to disagree but this is how I have watched IshRa progress:


yes he will deliver all of her life s happiness but not to prove himself in her eyes but because she deserves it




Thnx