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Bhanu

@btalwar

Dazzler

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: paru_rox
For all her independence and her strength, Ishita has always seemed to lack confidence when it comes her various sides as a women. As a daughter & sister she is comfortable, probably because these are two relationships in her life where she has never been questioned or felt inadequate in.

Her role as a mother ...yes this has been her biggest insecurity. And it took numerous instances after which she finally accepted that Ruhi is her daughter and she is a good mother. But I have quite a feeling that this inadequacy of her's when it comes to Ruhi will again be in the forefront if something big happens.

Coming to her role as a wife ... Ishita has always fulfilled her roles as a wife when it comes to her duties & responsibilities towards her husband and his family. And no I do not include the physical aspect of a married couple's relationship as a "duty" to be fulfilled 😲. These two started off as a couple who were together for their mutual benefits -- she wanted a daughter, he wanted his daughter back & for her to have a good mother. Their equations changed today but who has confessed??? Who has said they want something more from each other. On top of it, hubby is such a jerk that he taunts her on her physical aspects & keeps telling her there would be nothing more between them. Whattay shit? This to a woman who has undergone immense rejection in her life.

The above is something that any normal person might view this whole situation in. But honestly when it comes to CV's, I have no hopes of such deep thoughts from them. I have a feeling this country dance of one step forward & two back is just to postpone the inevitable to appease the TRP maiyya. So my request, if this is the reason CV's are writing this shit, then please to remove the "Cheee" from Ishita's vocabulary because then it is irritating.

My imeediate thoughts on reading this ... Paru ... u r really ANGRY from CVs ... 😆

Will reply to your thoughts in a separate post

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anamika87

@anamika87

Explorer

Posted: 11 years ago

#12

I completely agree with u. it felt really bad seeing many

post on the forum telling how disappointed they were

about due to Ishita's 'chee'. But this was because they were

thinking from their point of view. They need to think from

Ishita's point of view to understand her actions and reactions.

It is not about how they would feel and act, it is about Ishita.

I am so grateful to u for making a post about this.

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Paru

@paru_rox

Rocker

+ 8

Posted: 11 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: btalwar

My imeediate thoughts on reading this ... Paru ... u r really ANGRY from CVs ... 😆

Will reply to your thoughts in a separate post

Nahi yaar Bhanu ... am just bored and I mean it ...really bored .

The thing is I honestly feel there is more chance that this is all being done to stretch the track than the deep thoughts that we have about Ishita ... and if it turns out am wrong, well then I will be really happy in this case ... CV's actually thinking, is like seeing a unicorn 😆

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Oishi Dasgupta

@Oishi_S

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#14

The thing is Bhanu, I agree with what you said and I would not have one single problem with the whole scene if that's how it was meant. God knows, I tried viewing it from different angle and finding reason for Ishita's behaviour yesterday. But that's the problem, no matter how many times I look at the scene, it doesn't look like awkwardness, embarrassment, shame or a way to hide her feelings.. If there was a single reason for Ishita's behaviour, valid or invalid, I wouldn't have minded it.Actually, if they had meant to show pure disgust, even that would have been acceptable. But it wasn't to show even disgust, fear or any other emotions. To me it looked like plain cv's way of dragging the whole thing, a chee that looks like it was added in the last moment just for the sake of it, to make it look funny.A chee so that no IshRa's relation does not progress in anyway. Otherwise Ishu could say chee everyday on this type of scenes, if she wishes to do so, I don't mind.😆

Edited by Oishi_sonu - 11 years ago

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Bhanu

@btalwar

Dazzler

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: redwine1
BHanu ... Loved the way u went inside Ishita's head ...
The "CHEE" per se i don't think was the wrong word ..but how it was said .. when it was said & what followed it was the shocker & why the entire forum is up in arms about it ..

Now as u put it ... she is a REJECTED WOMAN .. she thinks she is HALF A WOMAN .. if this same scene had happened in the beginning of their marriage the JOKE of it would have kept this same forum in splits .. But too much has transpired between the 2 for this to be a "CHEE" moment ..

What all u say makes immense sense to me .. in ur last post i too wrote that the CHEE is justified for a woman for whom PHYSICAL INTIMACY is a BIG BARRIER specially coz she feels she is HALF A WOMAM .. PHYSICAL INTIMACY in our country is normally related to creation of progeny .. a place where she feels she is a failure hence Physical Intimacy will always be a Barrier in her mind ..

BUT having said that .. one they have been physically close just a couple of days back ... in a shower .. after which her reaction was very normal ...also the nameplate scene & her acceptance of RAMAN as her husband ... was a big step ..

Now if u look at this scene ... If the "chee" had come immediately after the APPA dialog it wud make sense .. she is disgusted by the talk of intimacy & she is disgusted about the joke that Raman has made of it ... ( i think Aani pointed this out during the LU yesterday .. & she was bang on) ...

But for me personally what was even more difficult to palate was the way she cleans herself .. she rubs her hands as if she was TAINTED .. that was completely not PALATABLE to me ... that was WRONG ON SO MANY COUNTS ... i just gave up counting ... Thats one juvenile ... secondly it belies the closeness these two have already formed .. three she is a dam doctor ... she was all over him when she gave him that back rub ... a million other reasons why that particular SHOT was the WORST EVER ON YHM ...

Awkwardness yes ... also the nok jhok to cover the awkwardness .. which is what RAMAN does by bringing in the APPA topic was APT ... this was a BIG move for the couple .. the ease & no hesitation with which Raman went to sleep next to his wife .. that moment was lost completely .. either don't show INTIMACY now if the writers are not ready for it .. or then show it in a way which is palatable ..

The other thing which irked me & probably the entire forum is a lack of follow thru of this scene .. when the forum says Less scenes of ISHRA .. i guess this is what they are crying for ... U see in the last 2 intimate scenes ... 1. Button popping ..2 . Shower scene ... There is a follow thru .. they both exchange awkward looks .. at the end of the button popping scene u get a monologue of ishita's & at the end of the shower scene u get a monologue of raman;s ... now u know where these 2 stand vis a vis what u saw ... But in this scene there was NO FOLLOW THRU ... it jumped all places ... hence a feeling of W*F did i see .. WHY DID THEY EVEN SHOW THIS ??

During the LU in the first half of this scene .. i had mentioned .. it will be ONE STEP FORWARD .. 2 STEPS back for these 2 ... but this was a million steps back ... now of course we are seeing this scene in isolation ... all one can hope is that a follow thru at some point about this scene & the writers are able to justify the same ..

PHEW ... i am posting more than a regular post in a reply ...😡 UGH sorry

Ruby .. kya din aa gaye hai. For the first time, I think I will disagree with u a bit. I am honestly not unhappy from the scene aoart froit. The only part which irked me was the length of Ishra scene. While I agree there was a definite monologue afterboth shower and button scene ... both of them were monologues. No one knows what the other thinks.
Now come to the scene. They argue in the nite. He sleeps on the bed without worrying abtvwhat will his wife do. She does a makeshift arragement and sleeps. Mornng she finds him invading her privacy ... open ur eyes to the smell of the frqgnance of ur husband. How many tmes it yas happenned ? He mocks her ... again ... so how does she return her feelngs ...
She needs to acknowledge her feelings to respond or accept ... I do not find that at least now.
So this is like the same Chee when Raman offerred her the eye mask. She was like how can u even bring that topic.

Quoting u ..they will definitely take few steps back until they r pinned to the wall and they r forced to take a step forward.

.S. typing from phone sucks. Sorry for typos.

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BombayTroll

@BombayTroll

Achiever

+ 5

Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Well

You make sense

But still not acceptable

As probably it was done by writers only for comedy and nothing more

And they have been close before even before marriage and at that time also she did not say it

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redwine1

@redwine1

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Yaar disagree karenge tabhi toh new POV bahar aayenge .. Disagree away .. 😉

Like i said i too don't have a problem with the CHEE ... if it was said in the right time or the right place ... The CHEE & the hand rub happens after RAMAN LEAVES THE ROOM ..

If she had done it on his face .. i would give it a clap & make a post .. VIVA LA ISHITA .. the woman got her own back today ... the man made a joke of them sleeping together .. she joked right back with him .. it would be a return "TAANA" ... which would make this a perfect CHEE moment ..

Like i said .. the chee is not my problem as much as the RUBBING OF HER HANDS .. like REMOVING HIS TOUCH .. that too when she is ALONE .. that was JUST NOT RIGHT >>

But yaar thats MY POV .. as i say not my story to tell .. I am sure Sonali Jaffar & Ritu Goyal know what they are doing .. 😉

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...EhSaas...

@...EhSaas...

Trailblazer

+ 6

Posted: 11 years ago

#18

It's not first time she used chee word she did in past like green dress scene where raman said how he looked at her body when she gave lecture to him and many incidence too and no one objected and yesterday scene was objected because it was presented in a wrong way. It was not at all related to her past but writer or cv just want to give their scene and try to fill with comedy and yesterday scene was looking force and the way ishita rubbed her hand it was looking like param was there not raman.

Ishra consciously denying intimacy but sub consciously they don't mind it. Ishita last scene was just to add comedy which look bad not funny and ishra are getting used as a filler.

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RheaSh

@RheaSh

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#19

I think continuity of portraying Ishita's character is to blame here. Ishita was over Subbu long before her marriage with Raman and the big example of her moving on was to plan her future with Prateek by all means. she was not hesitant with him to share husband-wife relationship. When she married Raman, it was just a contract marriage but since then both of them have come a long way.

Just before Adi accident track, she almost blurted out to Bala that she loved Raman. She told him " Mere jaagh agar aap hote to apko kaise lagte, woh apse jhut bole jisse app itna..." and then she stopped. Many opined that she meant companion/friend/someone to trust blindly. But nothing clarifies holding her tongue at that moment because if she meant Raman as her companion/friend that was not unknown to Bala as Ishita told it to him right after Mihir-Mihika engagement. So the ...was nothing but "pyar karte ho". Bala being the smart one got it instantly and wanted to talk to Raman. .During Adi accident case, we saw insecurities growing on Ishita's side and throughout the whole incident she acted like "Raman's wife" not "Ruhis Ishima". When she had heart to heart conversation with her amma at that time, she was heartbroken thinking Raman still loved Shagun. Her longing for Raman's love was so evident there. Then there was no continuation and everything got fazed out after the Adi accident case.Ishita got back to her shell and one logical explanation was that she was unsure about Raman's feelings.

But since then Raman has progressed miles in their relationship. Yes, he taunted her as usual but that to shield his emotion and Ishita knew it well. He gave numerous subtle hints that he was looking to spend a lifetime only with her but she didn't reciprocate much. Somehow continuation of Ishita's feelings for Raman is not there. But these feelings pop out when needed : like Ishita was really expecting a love confession from Raman's side when he faked it second time. First time she was angry with Raman for proposing her and second time she acted like she was waiting for it. She even had unshed tears and nodded slightly in acknowledgement that they were only made for each other. Just few episodes ago, she inquired Raman about whether he felt hurt when someone disturbed and Raman brushed it off with his usual taunts. But Ishita understood the inner meaning concluding he also got hurt. Then there was "Pati wala feeling", goosebumps and all that. All the scenes are brilliant in progressing Ishita's feeling towards Raman but the continuity is definitely lacking. It is like one step ahead and two steps back. CVs want to linger the confession time I get it but there has to be some continuation of all the scenes. This all scenes and event will make one believe that they are in love with each other but too afraid to confess. As action speaks louder than words, they also both can sense each other feelings.

Keeping all these things in mind, Ishita's "CHEE" was totally uncalled for. She said it when Raman was not there and it felt like she is disgusted just to sleep with him in close proximity. If she uttered it in Raman's presence then one could say she used it to hide her embarrassment, shyness etc. But it sounded like the "chee" she usually said to Param! Again here I see continuity gap. In the time of Adi accident case, she was super angry with Raman but Ruhi made them sleep together alone. That time both were not awake and it was more intimate in nature as they slept whole night holding hands, fingers entwined. Ishita was slightly blushing after she woke up ,could not meet Raman in the eyes and immediately left the place searching for Ruhi...but yesterday's "Chee" sounded like she forgot everything and she shifted back to her wedding night...

***Sorry for the long post***

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Aeryn

@Aeryn

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Sorry bhanu I disagree

Taunts and putting a front of not being attracted to the other are Ishra's means of covering their real feelings.

That is what Raman has done last night too. She screams covering herself with the blanket, he wakes up, she immediately asks what is he doing in her bed so he hides and covers his actions by his usual defense mechanism "madam don't dream, I am not attracted to you, I won't touch you"

But Ishita's reaction was ill timed on all angle.

First personally I think the screaming was too much after all these two have gone through, all the progress they have made.

Secondly, really the thing that was more unpalatable and why the scene didn't make sense at all, was that Ishita was shown disgusted AFTER he left the room. If it was in front of him we could have argued that it was just an act to hide behind but from who was she hiding last night? She was alone. Showing disgust was so a wrong move...

Edited by Aeryn - 11 years ago

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