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redwine1

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: dhanashree28
wonderfull post..so u r trying to say..ishra and shagun will be together to teach the lesson to their enemies suraj and param???

I DONT PREDICT AT ALL ... 😃

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ramusk

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Posted: 11 years ago

#12

i love your title... apt ...

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redwine1

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Posted: 11 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: ramusk
i love your title... apt ...

Thanx ... thats the first thot i got when i saw the scene .. from a namesake wife to her name on the nameplate ..what a journey

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alin1113

@alin1113

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Posted: 11 years ago

#14

First of all .. I just want to say I love your posts.. You truly give great insights to the tracks:)

While everyone is on the bandwagon about why ishra have not confessed.. I have a different take..

I think after marriage .all the tracks that have happened so far, has made them get into a friend zone..

A mutually convenient relationship of loving ruhi and coexisting.. It took them 200 episodes just to be physically aware of each other to acknowledge they are married. They are doing everything in their power to ignore their physicality and get back to status quo.. I think it will take another 200 episodes just for them to realize and acknowledge to them selves that they love each other..

Right now we are at an attraction phase..

Granted the cvs lack logic when they start a track but every track thus far has bought them closer..

It has given us passionate ishra scenes..

Didn't kp say that it will take 500 episodes to see what we wanted to see.. In the mean time ppl like shagun, param are needed to create drama and intensity between them...

I like the slow pace but do agree they need continuity in scenes..

Just like adi was raman's weakness , ishita,s weakness is that she is too generous.. She bought param in because she truly considers simmi as her own and wants her to move on.. She bought param in , inspite of him being her molester because she is jkr but mainly she loves simmi despite simmi,s illusions .. And in the shagun matter, she will be Mahaan cause her generous heart will be her weakness again, but it will cost her.. She needs shagun to make her realize that raman I s her husband and some things you can't be generous with.. Raman needs to move on from shagun.. Like it or not he still is soft for her.. For raman to move on, he needs to go through this and ishita needs to see that raman has truly moved on, for both to even realize their feelings..

Just my take on the matter:)

Edited by alin1113 - 11 years ago

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-Anku-

@-Anku-

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Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Wow. Another one of your amazing posts 😳

I have to agree. Raman does manage to take a few steps ahead, but Ishita tends to unintentionally take two back, and hence Raman's frustration rises. His reaction to Ishita's accusation during the accident track was because of how wrong those words felt. Raman has moved on and he has let that know now. But he didn't have a way to prove it.

You've rightly put. That the million times she's felt he doesn't respect her for what place she has in his life and the million times he's not given her the rightful place, Raman has finally christened it boldly for everyone to know.

I hadn't seen it that way. But you've aptly pointed out. That Ishita feels jealous and when she does she becomes a tigress to claim whats hers. Maybe the jealousy isn't as intense as any other wife would feel. And she still manages to be thoughtful. But its intense enough to push her into fighting.

Raman's insecurity on getting Param back into the house is evident. One of the reasons he has done what he did. Though I hope there was more continuity. Because so far, the entire situation has been taken too comically. Sensitivity is needed.

That question you asked. Raman putting Ishita in the forefront everywhere. It's because he wants the victim to punish the culprit herself. And wants the world to know that she rules him and the house.

I do get your point, that everyone affects IshRa and hence all tracks are playing together. But don't you think its a bit confusing?

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Aani

@EkPaheli

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

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Hey Ruby

to begin with can I tell ya I love this title conveys so much in fact everything in so little 👏👏

to begin with the scene you have started this post with is one of the most amazing scenes I have seen - now I am really confused about whether he is mouthing I know or Shagun here to be honest but what is clear is his absolute disgust with the thought, the idea, the very notion that he can or might still love the woman who was once the center of his universe, she still is and will always remain a part of his world by being the woman who gave birth to his kids but beyond that there is no existence in his world for her.

Like I have written in a post of yours earlier too - sun, earth and the moon - the center of the universe, the planet and its satellite. The planet needs to survive but for that to happen it has to have replenishment, energy, brightness and warmth all of which is only possible by the sun. The satellite revolves around the planet in turn to even validate its existence.

But what is beautiful about this scene is here the sun also needs the earth as well - without the earth in its system is there anyplace else that would need the sun, appreciate it as much? The only life form exists on this one planet and hence the sun needs it too even if to provide, to nourish. The sun has an enormous capacity to give but when there is no one on the receiving end how can the giver have an existence too?

Here is a woman who has an enormous heart that is all giving but in this scene for the first time she put a question to the man as well as made a statement at the same time - why wont you appreciate me... and if you can't fine I won't impose myself on you but remember this - you and me - we are connected and you may not want to have to do anything with me but I .. I won't let that change myself unaware that he needs her too but just can't say it as of yet... the earth is covered by darkness and can't do anything about it during a solar eclipse when the moon casts its shadow on the earth by coming between it and the sun.

But now the eclipse is over and the equilibrium restored with an even greater sense of balance - since now both the sides now - they aren't alone, they have someone to shoulder that burden along with them, talk and rest later too. It isn't a lone journey anymore - the banjaaras, the nomads have found a home, made a settlement finally and permanently this time. And hence she prays for his prosperity, his well being

He keeps on saying she is brainless and all but from where I see she does see through to him like she said recently - she knows what a beautiful heart he has, how he is soft from within and tough on the outside and hence called him nariyaal kumar too... what she is unsure is though of her place in his heart, I remember a scene post Raman finally giving her space in the cupboard Ruhi asks her papa gave you only this much space and she said I only needed so much - itni si hi jagah chahiye thi mujhe - that is Ishita for you. She is willing to settle for even a corner of his heart but the question is can he let go off his fears enough to let her know - a corner? she owns it completely... he is hers and hers alone now and forever... but unless that happens she won't jump the guns here. This is a woman who has been burned and in hindi there is a saying dudh ka jaala chaas bhi phoonkh kar peeta hai - literally translated that someone who has been burnt with milk would even blow before gulping down a drop of buttermilk, which in essence is a cool liquid - but since it too is in a way a byproduct of milk, the person becomes wary. the same is the case here for these two - their past has them so scarred and scared they are too afraid to move and take the first step afraid of another heartbreak, afraid of handing out that kind of power to another person to break them again unaware that hard as they are fighting against these feelings - the stronger they are getting.

It is the strength of these feelings that for a smile - her smile he could give up a post since it became a superficial thing to him and she fought when she learned for her sake he could quietly sacrifice. And while this strength is only just beginning to find its roots, I say this because they are still to acknowledge their feelings to even themselves and not each other when their strength as a couple would be at its pinnacle, it is also this very strength which scares them silly when faced with each other.

He puts up a nameplate for the world to see she is his where in jest he says I put this up since your Amma was being bugged by people looking for you so now they now you live here - he doesn't openly say I am yours which is why she says words need to be sweet too. He wants to proclaim his home is her home - she is not just an outsider who the world considers a convenient option he resorted too - she is now the center of his universe.

Yes he did this to show off to param and others but wonder why this scene came post the RuMan scene ? They say a way to a man' heart is through his stomach but Raman had closed off that very heart forget impressing the stomach and all here..

For Raman the only thing that mattered to him in this world was success and revenge - he had closed himself off to all emotions to protect himself except one - that of fatherhood. His children, they are and were the only things that kept him going and human - alive and mostly Ruhi - because not only is she a daughter who is the apple of a father' eye but she is his Ruh... his soul - the one thing that he still had that made him stay sane and alive, the one good thing that he still could hold onto but was so afraid of losing he didn't approach her much too.

But of course how long could that have kept up - a remark broke down that wall which he kept between his daughter and himself and a gulf was created still when he chose to not take a leap of faith and believe his Ruhi can be no one else's. Yes he did manage to find solace that no matter what she is his and shall remain his but he was still not yet at peace completely - not until she slayed the last of his demons.

This time around a demon came that haunted and bothered his daughter - a demon he slayed with his love and let his daughter realize that he loves her, adores her and she means so much to him... in turn he found he is her favorite, her hero but in essence he knows, knew that it is her Ishimaa who actually saved the day - he could slay the demon as she made him slay it... what could he have given her when that happened?

She made him a hero to his daughter and took to the background quietly - he had to let her see he saw that, he knows that and for that he is ever so grateful to her.

She gave him the happiness which is incomparable to him in all the world - she made him realize he is a good dad, something which he craves to know, to learn. Having his daughter say those words gave him a greater victory than a million contracts could and so he did the one thing he thought he could - he gave her the reins of his world - he proclaimed that with a nameplate - in essence realizing a line which he had uttered post marriage in annoyance - lagta hai ghar uska hai aur kamra mera hai.

The way to a man' heart might be through his stomach but when that man is a father it is through his children and the woman who gave them birth couldnt ever become the mother he would have wanted for them and this woman.. she comes out of nowhere and in her he sees the kind of person he wants by his side to raise his kids - hence his line recently he is glad she is raising Ruhi ... here the show isnt just about a man and a woman falling in love - here is a show about a man and a woman bonded by a child falling in love - how can he not love a woman who loves his child so? Who makes his child love him as much and who also shows him the way he can express that love he has that abundant love for his child to that very child?

This is indeed a mature love story and not a romance saga of teenagers - here are a man and woman falling in love beyond the bonds of attraction or sans the trip catch eyelock genre.

They are what to me defines the most beautiful kind of love - one which doesnt consist in gazing in each other' eyes but in looking in the same direction as you move towards the same destination hand in hand 😳

I wont go into the mirch analogy nor comment on the full monty thing - this post is already too long plus... I might go ahem into too much detail - not good for kids 😆 all I can say is I agree with your analysis.

And to conclude I would say the two women in Raman' life are both facing crisis at home - the only difference is one would emerge the winner, stronger than before while the other would lose everything and what would be interesting is what would happen should that fallen woman try to as we know she would come between the man who is too scared to make a move and the woman who is too vulnerable still and holds doubts regarding her standing - and when that happens who would emerge as the leader here 😳

Edited by EkPaheli - 11 years ago

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redwine1

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: -Anku-
Wow. Another one of your amazing posts 😳

I have to agree. Raman does manage to take a few steps ahead, but Ishita tends to unintentionally take two back, and hence Raman's frustration rises. His reaction to Ishita's accusation during the accident track was because of how wrong those words felt. Raman has moved on and he has let that know now. But he didn't have a way to prove it.

You've rightly put. That the million times she's felt he doesn't respect her for what place she has in his life and the million times he's not given her the rightful place, Raman has finally christened it boldly for everyone to know.

I hadn't seen it that way. But you've aptly pointed out. That Ishita feels jealous and when she does she becomes a tigress to claim whats hers. Maybe the jealousy isn't as intense as any other wife would feel. And she still manages to be thoughtful. But its intense enough to push her into fighting.

Raman's insecurity on getting Param back into the house is evident. One of the reasons he has done what he did. Though I hope there was more continuity. Because so far, the entire situation has been taken too comically. Sensitivity is needed.

That question you asked. Raman putting Ishita in the forefront everywhere. It's because he wants the victim to punish the culprit herself. And wants the world to know that she rules him and the house.

I do get your point, that everyone affects IshRa and hence all tracks are playing together. But don't you think its a bit confusing?

Actually all the tracks are inter linked .. the moment u connect the dots it stops being confusing ..

Once u look at all the tracks & see it with the lens of how will this affect the Raman & Ishita relation then u will find the connections ..

The tracks have to always affect the leads .. so when u think Shagun .. whats the connection she has wit Raman .. Adi & Mihir .. now think of the tracks with these 2 in mind ..

Similarly .. romi & sarika & whats the connection to the leads .. whats the common factor .. Param ... now when u think of this u can probably connect the dots ...

UGH another one of Ishita's lectures from me 😛

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Riya Desai

@Vru_16

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

I barely, if ever, read long posts cause I'm usually on the go and don't get that kind of time. But I pushed all my books aside and read the whole post with great interest and now I'm sitting here writing back to you with more than my usual "amazing post" comment😆

I absolutely loved each and every point you brought up.

I love your analysis of the jealous, crying Ishita scene. KP portrayed Raman's frustration brilliantly there, I was sitting in front of the laptop begging him to turn around and tell her he doesn't love Shagun.

I also must agree that it is very important to peel off their established "sirf ruhi ke liye" thinking layer by layer. I don't think the IshRa development is too slow. It's an extremely mature and different love story. Nothing like I've ever seen before. There is understanding, trust, honesty, friendship. In the nameplate scene, Raman has made it clear that she belongs to him and only him. The one thing left is for Ishita to do the same. But I suppose that will take a lot longer since it'll include Ishita realizing that she has thrown Shagun out of her husband's heart. It's all good though. I can wait, it'll be worth it I'm sure😊

Though Raman doesn't love Shagun anymore, I still can't help but think he has some sort of a soft spot left for her. Maybe it's just the respect that Ishita told him to give her for being the woman who gave birth to his children. But at events, he always glares at her and makes notice of her almost first thing each time. I hope Ishita is able to get him to the point where he doesn't care enough to hate or taunt Shagun anymore and really just sees her as the woman who gave birth to his children and nothing more. THEN, they can have their little confession that everyone is soo bummed about right now😆

Again, loved your post!👍🏼

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redwine1

@redwine1

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Posted: 11 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: alin1113
First of all .. I just want to say I love your posts.. You truly give great insights to the tracks:)
While everyone is on the bandwagon about why ishra have not confessed.. I have a different take..

I think after marriage .all the tracks that have happened so far, has made them get into a friend zone..
A mutually convenient relationship of loving ruhi and coexisting.. It took them 200 episodes just to be physically aware of each other to acknowledge they are married. They are doing everything in their power to ignore their physicality and get back to status quo.. I think it will take another 200 episodes just for them to realize and acknowledge to them selves that they love each other..
Right now we are at an attraction phase..

Granted the cvs lack logic when they start a track but every track thus far has bought them closer..
It has given us passionate ishra scenes..

Didn't kp say that it will take 500 episodes to see what we wanted to see.. In the mean time ppl like shagun, param are needed to create drama and intensity between them...

I like the slow pace but do agree they need continuity in scenes..

Just like adi was raman's weakness , ishita,s weakness is that she is too generous.. She bought param in because she truly considers simmi as her own and wants her to move on.. She bought param in , inspite of him being her molester because she is jkr but mainly she loves simmi despite simmi,s illusions .. And in the shagun matter, she will be Mahaan cause her generous heart will be her weakness again, but it will cost her.. She needs shagun to make her realize that raman I s her husband and some things you can't be generous with.. Raman needs to move on from shagun.. Like it or not he still is soft for her.. For raman to move on, he needs to go through this and ishita needs to see that raman has truly moved on, for both to even realize their feelings..

Just my take on the matter:)

@ BOLD i completely agree with u on the bold matter ... dunno about the 200 further episodes but they need to resolve all the past angst between the two before they are able to confess

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redwine1

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Riyaa_
I barely, if ever, read long posts cause I'm usually on the go and don't get that kind of time. But I pushed all my books aside and read the whole post with great interest and now I'm sitting here writing back to you with more than my usual "amazing post" comment😆
I absolutely loved each and every point you brought up.
I love your analysis of the jealous, crying Ishita scene. KP portrayed Raman's frustration brilliantly there, I was sitting in front of the laptop begging him to turn around and tell her he doesn't love Shagun.
I also must agree that it is very important to peel off their established "sirf ruhi ke liye" thinking layer by layer. I don't think the IshRa development is too slow. It's an extremely mature and different love story. Nothing like I've ever seen before. There is understanding, trust, honesty, friendship. In the nameplate scene, Raman has made it clear that she belongs to him and only him. The one thing left is for Ishita to do the same. But I suppose that will take a lot longer since it'll include Ishita realizing that she has thrown Shagun out of her husband's heart. It's all good though. I can wait, it'll be worth it I'm sure😊
Though Raman doesn't love Shagun anymore, I still can't help but think he has some sort of a soft spot left for her. Maybe it's just the respect that Ishita told him to give her for being the woman who gave birth to his children. But at events, he always glares at her and makes notice of her almost first thing each time. I hope Ishita is able to get him to the point where he doesn't care enough to hate or taunt Shagun anymore and really just sees her as the woman who gave birth to his children and nothing more. THEN, they can have their little confession that everyone is soo bummed about right now😆

Again, loved your post!👍🏼

Thank u RIyya ...

UGH i so agree my posts tend to go on & on ... need to start editing my posts

i am with u on the Shagun front .. he needs to reach a stage where he does not react to her .. that wud be path breaking programming ... lets hope the writers take it there

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