Its Not Yet Love - IshRa - Page 2

loved it..beautifully expressed 👍🏼

very much liked your point of thinking...

Originally posted by: ZenerDiode

@TM
loved your analysis. hmm dunno i should agree or not lol. but i wait for your post always. come on. make post when you want. i love to read different views and its actually beauty of forum and freedom of speech.

but yes for pervmeet track i too feel it was only responsibility he felt as husband and towards mother of his child the way he said " i cannot do anything anymore for anyone"

for you talking about layers of ishita: what i have felt that they should focus on her too as equal as raman that is not yet done. they started series with ishita but somewhere i feel her past story is wrapped up very fast and it s not having effect right now on her life that raman is still having in strong quantity.

from her talk to tondon, my feeling is that she is over subbu but she has not "love" feelings for raman, though I feel attraction is still there and her jealousy is too prominent .

your paragraph " Here he feels slighted because deep down he believes relationships and love matters over everything. He said so to Tandon too last night he is least bothered about his wealth if it means two people he is close too are happy - that their lives were not ruined, their hearts broken.

Raman values love and his family over everything - the very things Shagun destroyed.

Another reason Raman cannot move on that easy is also because he has two kids with the woman, which is not something, someone; anyone can forget or just skip over. Not to mention the fact Shagun chooses to not leave him alone, time and again she shows up to open up old wounds, though now slowly her effect - poisonous and malicious - is not up to the par."

^^ i loved this most and shagun is still affecting him, her statements are still pushing him, i am waiting for the day he will be over this and her efforts to provoke him will not affect him.

Originally posted by: swati_bhatia

loved it..beautifully expressed 👍🏼

Originally posted by: yhms

very much liked your point of thinking...

Res

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Hey Aani

First and the foremost, this post is very well-written. Hard to argue with logic, especially if it has been articulated well, as you have done here. Do not worry about antagonizing, I believe every view is worth discussing and debating. And unless we debate something, we cannot say someone is wrong. As with all your posts, you have managed to convey your thoughts in a very structured way (well at least I saw the structure 😃). Your post is long, no doubt, but you know my thoughts on the long posts 😉😆

Now, just yesterday I was thinking, that there will be a post some day, where I'll disagree with you. Law of nature, right? This one came close enough.

Bear with me here, I am going to ramble. My reply won't bear any resemblance to the order of your thoughts, but this is the best I can do.

- I usually get swayed in emotions, romance, especially when it comes to fiction. But it doesnt take long for me to ground myself either, I am fickle minded and faint hearted. With Ishra though, I have been a bit more rational, maybe its my age :) I have maintained that they are very close to love (and not far away from it like you mentioned). They have all the symptoms of a couple just about to fall in love. Now whether they take 10 episodes or 50 to get there is something neither of us can control or predict. Personally, I would like them to take time, for 2 reasons a) That would keep the realistic elements of YHM b) I dont like how love stories fizzle out on TV

- About Ishita's back-story and the depth of her character. You know I completely agree with you here. Her story needs to be told, her pain demonstrated and her wounds healed. In real life, the first 2 should happen before she falls in love again, and the last one can happen when she is falling in love or already is in love.

Alas, I dont think this will be the case with the show. Thats not because she has been shown to be a 'mahaan' person, but because of something you have mentioned. There is no physical reminder of her past. Her only pain is heart-break, and as much as I would like to believe, I don't believe our TV has evolved enough to give heartbreak its due. With Raman's character, its easier to depict BECAUSE he has 2 kids. What did Ishita lose really? Only her love? Showing her healing is not good for business.

- About Ishita's speech- this is where I think I'd have to disagree with you the most. The content of the speech was exactly like you mentioned. But the expressions on her face were showing emotions that were not just acceptance. I personally think she was blushing like a teenager in love, gushing on about the love of her life. And believe me, I am not romanticising this. I watched it a couple of times only to analyse her expressions.

- Here's what I think about love in the context of Ishra. I am but a mere mortal trying to analyse such a complex state of mind. But I will attempt.
- Acceptance - a major component of LOve and you have covered it aptly in your post. They see each other clearly for what they are. They have begun to accept each other in their lives. Not because they have to, but because they dont mind as much as they used to. and maybe, even because they like each other enough (I think they do)
- Gratitude - This is an overlooked part, and often confused with acceptance. In my opinion, this was the first step for them. There have been numerous incidents and situations where they have been made to realise what the other person has done for them. Before they started accepting each other, they were thankful (you have correctly listed all such incidents, I won't repeat them). A lot of it was for Ruhi, but like you rightly said, the turning point was Raman 'protecting' her when she got drunk.

- Physical attraction - well; you know, I know... its there

- Awkwardness - this is another part of love that is often not given enough importance. This is obivously visible in the early stages of ANY relationship, and Ishra have been shown to be awkward a lot. Personally, I love this state of mind. Their expressions and emotions in the coffee shop, before they started talking... it was one of the most priceless moments for me. I even mentioned somewhere that they were acting like a couple who were just about to fall in love
- Comfort - Directly in contrast with awkwardness is comfort. They have been shown to live under the same roof like a couple. There have been awkward moments yes, but their comfort level is also very evident. In the recent episodes, they have been shown to 'touch' each other, understand each other without talking.
- Attitude in dealing with difficulties - The Pervmeet fiasco, as you rightly said, was a testing phase for them. NOtwithstanding the way Raman handled it, and the subsequent apology (I will NEVER stop talking about this), I think they dealt with it pretty well. this brings me on to my next point
- Trust - They now trust each other implicitly. It took a lot of bizzare incidents, with equal amount of nautanki and drama. But I think they implicitly trust each other. I would like to believe now that the next time something happens, we'll be shown that they believe each other, without asking any questions.
- Respect - I now think they do respect each other. I know we spoke about this after the Pervmeet track, but I think we are there now. The engagement track was needed for that. (Raman's plotting + Ishita's plotting + her effort for the speech + his 'proposal' to her + Ishita's indirect speech via Tandon)
- Understanding - With all the points above, this is implicit, isn't it?

The 2 things I think are missing, the 2 things that I think are keeping them from the finish line (or start-line if you would) are

- Prioritisation - I may be beaten up for saying this, but I think there is some amount of selfishness that is needed. Not between them, but with respect to everyone else. At some point, they need to prioritise each other over everyone else. And that includes Ruhi, to some extent. They need to give importance to their relationship and spend time to nurture it, without having to 'let it grow' under the shade of their family and Ruhi. If they don't think they are important, they cannot be in love

- Realization - You are not in love unless you know it. But unless Ishita and Raman analyse and understand everything thats gone on between them, we cannot call it love.

The gist of my post: I am somewhat guilty of romanticizing their relationship, but that's the nature of TV. The CVs show us something they want us to believe and know even before the characters start feeling the same things 😉The viewer in me disagrees with you, but the writer in me doesn't.

Good Lord Aani, what it is that I always say after reading one of your posts ??? "Thanks for triggering the right reactions in my brain cells, no?"🤗

So, since your post deserves this, I have 2 quotes.

For the first time ever, I am giving you a quote on the nature of your post (and your irrational thoughts about antagonizing people here)...

"It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it." - Joseph Joubert

"Maybe...you'll fall in love with me all over again."
"Hell," I said, "I love you enough now. What do you want to do? Ruin me?"
"Yes. I want to ruin you."
"Good," I said. "That's what I want too."
- Ernest Hemingway, A Farewell to Arms

Res

You have made some very interesting points which is not wrong. I have own theories too but unfortunately I haven't got the time to write my post since I have an exam to revise for.
Will edit this post when I get around to it but can't make any promises

However, just want to say do not be afraid of posting your views there is nothing wrong with having a different theories, this is what makes a forum interesting. And in your case, you have also backed your points with evidence. I believe this forum is all for an intellect debate/discussion and we need a sensible and insightful person such as yourself to join in more in the forum.

Got to go now, my break is over. 😊

Well aani

I don't mind fights ha
Well coming to Raman ishita it is complicated as both have had heartbreaks and it is not easy to love someone again with purity and soncerity so at the moment they are looking at companionship and liking it

My earlier show had beautiful story of widow finding intense love again even after being in love first time and by the time they had widow expressing her love they had ruined it from guy side with disastrous track hope they show it well here and not ruin it

Now looking at spoilers I feel they are slowly reaching to a point where he would have to choose between family and ishita and he would choose ishita it seems

completely agreed its not love yet its the process which will lead to dat transition of them from just being married for ruhis sake to be each others real lovers ,It will happen .