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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: groucho

Very often ,due to our frustration with the serial (I am also guilty of this) we tend to blame everything on the producers of the show.

In the case of Vansh leaving the show, it would be interesting to know why he left.

Was it the producers who cut him out or did he get a better offer and leave the show of his own accord??

Once we know the real reason of Vansh's departure we can lay the blame on the right person.

Till then let us continue to discuss what is actually happening in Uttaran.



well to tell u something vansh's suicide was done 4 trps....trps were record high at that time๐Ÿ˜•
n I m his fb fren 4 long.๐Ÿ˜Š.he told me he did not want to quit ever..even his telly challar interview he said he was sad when he was told of his death track..wy wud someone quit the show that is in top 5 always๐Ÿ˜•

u know he still feels sad although he is doin a star plus show, Vansh was his fav role..n he himself said to some of us he wud love to return as a look alike

c the trend is of killing leads๐Ÿ˜†..n blame shud b placed on channel creatives..they wanted twist ....n yes he said his character was never meant to b permanent but of couse no one expected that Vansh wud b bumped off so soon

so the channel creatives r to blame.....instead of psitive inputs..they r showing bizzarre twists always..always


n Rohit ./.vansh said in an interview abt his cameo role in MJHT on star one that this time he hopes he does not die๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†




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Posted: 15 years ago
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If that is true it is a great pity that they killed off Vansh. TV channels and viewership has certainly changed from my time because killing off a lead character raising the TRP's sounds so very odd to me.

All the comments on IF also indicate most people were not happy with the decision to remove him so why the producers who do something like this is beyond me.

Please read the article written by Radt (another IF member) on Ballika Vadhu and you will understand what the CEO of Colors channel feels about the serials and the audiences of his channel. It is odd, an eye opener and does not do justice to the viewers of Colors channel.

I would be very interested in hearing your comments and the comments of others once you have read this article.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Here's a small experiment. Switch on the TV. Put the volume on mute. Imagine that the channel logo is not visible on the screen. Surf the entertainment channels. Does everything blur into a tired, been-there-seen-that kind of picture? Why does nothing look different on TV? Uday Shankar, CEO of the
Star network, which runs Star Plus, currently rated the No 1 channel, is not amused by this query. "It's like saying all newspapers look the same ' they all have headlines and pictures and stories," he retorts. "Just as it was once trendy to trash Hindi films ' usually by people who never saw Hindi films ' it's now trendy to trash Indian television."
There is some truth to what Shankar says. It's easy to knock TV down because the medium itself is so unabashedly lowbrow. Even in countries with evolved television industries such as the USA, the idiot box is the target of much derision.

"It's the nature of the beast," laughs scriptwriter Venita Coelho, who worked in the television industry for several years before abandoning everything and escaping to Goa. "You need large volumes for TV and for large audiences; that's what gives it a mass-produced, assembly-line air." In an industry where 24 hours of airtime have to be filled with 'entertaining' programming, where the competition between channels is so intense and bitter, it would make Kane and Abel look like best friends. The inevitable casualty is The Idea.

Soaps begin but don't end
At the heart of the 'where-are-the-ideas' lament lies the Indian soap, the staple of all entertainment channels. "It is our daal-roti," says Rajesh Kamat, CEO of Colors, currently the No 2 channel in the country. It's tough to create new ideas within the genre, as soaps come with inbuilt limitations: they have a beginning but no end; instead they just have an endless middle. They are geared to creating emotional melodrama, not to plot or character development. Characters exist primarily for viewers to identify with and sympathise with as they go through their onscreen trials and tribulations.

"But soaps are another genre of story-telling altogether," says Uday Shankar impatiently. "A soap is not a film where a three-hour story begins and ends. Plot lines come and go but characters last."

He adds, "If you have consumers willing to give three or four years to watch a story day in and day out, why shouldn't you carry that story? Look at it in perspective. In India, viewership has a certain pattern. Outdoor life is restricted. There is a huge commitment to long-running stories. There's a need that exists in the marketplace and soaps fill that need."

Today there are about 135 million TV households in India (up from 25 million in 1992), out of which 80 per cent have a cable and satellite connection. The penetration into small towns and rural areas has been significant. To give just a small example: the share of DTH in rural markets has almost doubled in rural India in the last two years.

This new mass audience is what TV soaps primarily cater to. As Uday Shankar explains, "When you create content that is monetised through advertising revenue, you perforce have to create content that the largest number of people will watch."

Identify and crucify
Within this large audience, the most committed viewers are women. Enter the soap staple, the traditional family drama. Exit everything else. Says Rajesh Kamat, "Women viewers almost start living the life of the protagonists. It could be her story or her daughter's story." Admits Rajan Shahi, producer of two of Star Plus's biggest hits, Bidaai and Yeh Rishta Kya Kehlata Hai, "Soaps become an addiction. The characters enter your home every night for months. They become part of your family."

But all these facts ' the inbuilt limitations of the genre, the need to cater to mass small-town audiences, the importance of women viewers ' ensure that there is minimal room for experimentation or for the creation and execution of bold new ideas. For the moment, the industry is stuck in an eternal loop of emotional family dramas followed by more emotional family dramas.

All that the maker of a soap can aspire to do is shuffle about within the standard format. Says Rajan Shahi, "I try and be different within the framework of my social subjects. In Yeh Rishtaa', for instance, you will notice that there is not a single negative character. Therefore the serial stands out in a sea of loud, crass, negative shows."

Or to backtrack a little, Balika Vadhu (Colors) was a differentiator because it was a story around a social issue which wasn't set in a big city. It was a breakthrough idea for soaps and spawned dozens of me-too shows.

Seasonal breaks
The predominance of soaps means there's very little chance to experiment with other formats ' such as series and seasons, as the USA does. Whether it's The Wire or Sopranos, a particular story is told to the finish. Then the show takes a break and the writers roll up their sleeves and get down to the task of writing the next season. This allows them to create plot and character-driven stories. There is scope for intriguing, trend-setting new ideas ' witness the latest series to seduce America, Mad Men, about a 1960s adman in New York.

But most television professionals believe that in India, seasons are a distant dream. Indian viewers want ' no, need ' their daily fix every night. Says Purnendu Shekhar, writer of the hit show, Balika Vadhu, "Over time, shows become brands. Even if a show is dragging on, channels are reluctant to take it off the air, because where's the guarantee that a new show will do well?" What makes matters worse is the sameness in approach. Soaps unfold in a cookie-cutter manner: identical reaction shots, trademark background music and effects. The comfort zone is so high, you can imagine directors literally dozing through the shooting, so similar do most of them appear in look and feel.

But some baby steps have been taken. Recently Sony introduced a primetime band dedicated to a clutch of very different shows, with not a single mother-in-law in sight. But the ratings were disappointing. Viewers couldn't relate to shows such as Powder, a gritty take on the underworld. Perhaps the sudden introduction of a hot chilli in a diet of syrupy rasogollas was too much for viewers to swallow. But there was also Mahi Way, a very urban and contemporary story about an overweight girl who worked in a fashion magazine in Delhi, which got a fan base but didn't get the ratings. (This is less surprising than it seems: stories abound in all TV industries all over the world of critically acclaimed shows with impressive fan followings which inexplicably get stuck with low ratings).

Good writing works
The encouraging part is that Sony does plans to bring another season of Mahi Way. "We didn't want to needlessly extend the story," says Ajit Thakur, Executive Vice-President, Sony. "Now the writers are working on the next season. And I'd like to believe that eventually such shows will work."

The fountainhead of new fiction ideas is of course the writer. If film is a director's medium, television is a writer's medium. But it's a strange paradox ' on the one hand, there is a general lament that that there is a dearth of good writers, yet writers are treated with scant respect and there are few attempt by anyone ' TV channels, production houses ' to invest in writers workshops, talent spotting or to create entry points for new writers. Star Plus is trying to set things right in this direction: it has started sending out teams of people to college campuses in UP, Bihar, MP etc to hire budding, talented writers.

"We need to create a pipeline of talent," says Uday Shankar. "We've created a new unit in our company which is only dedicated to coming up with new ideas and developing them." Ekta Kapoor too scouts small town campuses for writers ' but probably only to create and write the kind of shows she would like to do/the kind of shows channels would like to run, than to think out of the box.

Pressure of ratings
Currently, soap writers have the most unenviable job ' not only do they have to write five episodes every week, they're also constantly under the pressure of ratings. Purnendu Shekhar confesses that when he was writing Saat Phere for Zee, towards the end of the serial's life, there was a great deal of interference from the channel to change the story. "Mostly I have been very lucky," he clarifies. "I have been allowed to work with freedom. The challenge is in trying to introduce new strands into the soap and yet merging them as part of the overall story."

It is true, as Uday Shankar points out, that content consumption changes very slowly. But it is equally true that, as in other fields, only if you zig when everyone else is zagging, will you bring new ideas into play. And that's tough to do in an industry as risk-averse as the TV industry. The stakes are too high, is the universal chorus.

Fear of failure is a powerful driving force, but often it will ensure that you do fail. Star Plus stuck with its mega successful shows (Kyunki Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi and Kahaani Ghar Ghar Ki) for far too long. Result: New entrant Colors took advantage of the fatigue factor nudged it out of the No 1 slot for several weeks last year.

Perhaps the TV industry should make a new entry to its book of rules: If it's already on air, don't do it. Think of a new idea.



This is an article posted by another fellow member Radt on the Balika Vadhu forum. Since it applies to all serials I am posting it here. My reply on this is in that Forum but I would be interested in having all your reactions.

I personally feel it makes us viewers look like fools but you are free to give me your interpretations.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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ow that was lovely to read this๐Ÿ˜Š....i m gonna send to this to rohit๐Ÿ˜† ..wonder if he has time๐Ÿ˜• but yah gross injustice to any actor who puts in lots of hard work for a role n for twists ...they bump offthe character....I wud hav no problem if the character had made an meaning ful exit..unlike that over dramatic suicide scene which seemed so illogical

biggest blame on CVs is that they went off track ..rather than the initial Ichcha n her ammo's story it is now more tappu n her complexes' story


I agree many times channel creatives interfere with the work of the writer of the original production house

this we can see here in Uttran as it seems channel is highlighting rashmi in all reality shows , n since she is a popular actress with a glam image ....they hav decide to place the crux of the story n the progress of the story through her character mostly ..it is damn visible, she acts good n her character is entertaining..but for how long a sane viewer can continue seeing the same old negativity having a tinge of psychotic aliment.....


Edited by arunima_luvdsky - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@groucho..radt wud be super-psyched to see her article on another forum as well...
anyways..the production houses and channel people just dnt know when to quit..even if its a risk taking off a long running show,atleast the audiences wud be happy till the end of the show..bt in most cases by the time a marathon soap ends after sum 6-8 yrs,everybody mostly has startes hating the show..this is my personal POV..i prefer watching the reruns of sum old show which intrigued or interested me thn watching a long running show wid nothing more to offer..nowadays,most of the shows,i follow on IF wid updates..very rarely a watch a show on tv nowadays except SGP which incidentally has an interesting story,great script and thankfully hardly any interference frm the channel to change the original script frm the bengali version..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I have very clearly mentioned that this article was posted by Radt another fellow member on the Balika Vadhu forum. I have taken no credit for it other than to ensure some members who might not read it have a chance to read it.

This is all thanks to my fellow member Radt.

Thank you,
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: groucho

I have very clearly mentioned that this article was posted by Radt another fellow member on the Balika Vadhu forum. I have taken no credit for it other than to ensure some members who might not read it have a chance to read it.

This is all thanks to my fellow member Radt.

Thank you,

i dint mean it like tht..i know u mentioned radt and i just said tht she wud also be happy to read tht her article was put up here..thts it..i dint mean to offend u at all..please dnt think otherwise..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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uuuufffff......pasina pasina ho gaya padhte padhte........thanx......still could not finish it......thsi article seems like TV serials.....never ending......
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: groucho

I have very clearly mentioned that this article was posted by Radt another fellow member on the Balika Vadhu forum. I have taken no credit for it other than to ensure some members who might not read it have a chance to read it.

This is all thanks to my fellow member Radt.

Thank you,


its okay we read that n yah ..some of the points in the article r so valid..I mean if u dont take a risk ..how can u ever know whther it will work or not....Colors itself Broke some stereo types with balika Badhu..n yes sony's refreshing but the mass audiences dont seem to try them
Edited by arunima_luvdsky - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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i dint mean it like tht..i know u mentioned radt and i just said tht she wud also be happy to read tht her article was put up here..thts it..i dint mean to offend u at all..please dnt think otherwise..

No offense taken at all. I think you are right I should have informed her (which I have just done) before I posted it. No need for any apologies but I owe you my thanks.๐Ÿ˜Š

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