Anjor --- Sukor ka Ujjala ya Bujjala????

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Anjor --- Sukor ka Ujjala ya Bujjala????

At the outset a big thanks to Mai for the summaries and the titles in special.

Thanks to Ruby and Siyu and VJ-Fanclub for the excellent POVs and character analysis of Chakor and Suraj.

As per the Udaan norms (recollecting the horrendous Benaras separation during the Navratri time) and also of the current one and due to the festivity was living on the WU and off the show. But was doing my bit on insta and tweets about the behavior of the 8 year old...

But nevertheless did Anjor keep me thinking? Irritating? Disconnecting? Yes all three but somewhere I feel she needs post trauma counselling too... eversince she came to know that Sukor are her parents all she is doing is getting scared, paranoid, become selfish to the extent that she is even taunting, behaving rude to Chakor! She is behaving like a teenager (she wasn't injected with the harmone injections)

I can accept her to behave rude only if...

Anjor had been a child of just Sugna and Kishen

Anjor was never shown as a bit smart (shown before meeting Chakor)

Anjor was never shown as helping others

Anjor was never shown as trying to fight Gumaan to save her friends from being stamped as bandhuva

Anjor never felt so depressed, dejected after the death of her best friend TunTun.

But... how can I accept her, this behavior... As she is Sukor's child...

my brain keep comparing her with that 8 year old Chakor(spandan) who was outwitting KN, was compassionate with every human being including her life's worst enemy, who staked her life for others...

my brain keeps comparing her with Suraj, who feared his father only to win his love, who never ever behaved rude with his mother at any point of time.

Nowhere I am seeing her having /exhibiting traits of Sukor... I am indeed getting disconnected.

I don't believe in superstitions but now I get to start believe that because she was renamed from Saanvi to Anjor is she showing the traits of the evil Imli Devi? Becoming selfish, not leaving a chance to pounce, hurt Chakor?

Yes, keeping aside everything, I can empathise with her that she has indeed been traumatized and needs someone to be beside her. Give her the support. To make her understand that she is no kid of ordinary parents but kid of SuKor... The selfless, epitome of courage, righteousness mother and a fearless and the epitome of love father.

She needs to be made to sit and replay the actions of her dandewali and of her own self.

The one who helped her, saved her life twice without thinking about her life.

She indeed played against the dandewali as she had to save her foster mother.

She has to introspect, but I will give her the benefit still, as she is a child.

The writers have messed up with her completely that I am off the show so that I donot start hating her, as, as of now I am disconnecting with her.

She has to realise that she is Sukor's ray of shine and hope and not turn into shame and darkness.

I would be happy if she was renamed as Saanvi... the goddess Lakshmi who brings only happiness and this name was chosen by Sukor.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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The reason for anjor's hatred is very well justified. As a child we expect our parents to love and protect us explicitly. But here her mother refrains from saving her life over many others. Then she's almost been injected to death. A eight year old actually saw death so close by but thanfully she got saved due to her father taking the case back. At this stage everyone will agree to anjor's state of mind which was natural.

But makers have big time failed to show anjor's trauma i.e trauma of almost dying. A traumatic child turns silent, unhappy, feels dejected, distances self from everyone. How can trauma turn you into a tantrum queen. The belief of anjor that her mother doesn't love her enough as a parent is justified and is difficult to change so how can she believe chakor's love for her in a moment after agreeing over taking case back .

She saw how RD's truth was out in public with strong evidences and she was arrested and in jail toh who told anjor that RD will create danger even then. Small kids also don' t trust the police, judiciary etc. The moment she demanded chakor take the case back to believe chakor loves her i forgot that this is an eight year old child and also that she was heavily traumatised. Her behaviour is quite contrast to how traumatised kid behave or for that matter even how kids behave.
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Originally posted by: tinapiku

The reason for anjor's hatred is very well justified. As a child we expect our parents to love and protect us explicitly. But here her mother refrains from saving her life over many others. Then she's almost been injected to death. A eight year old actually saw death so close by but thanfully she got saved due to her father taking the case back. At this stage everyone will agree to anjor's state of mind which was natural.

But makers have big time failed to show anjor's trauma i.e trauma of almost dying. A traumatic child turns silent, unhappy, feels dejected, distances self from everyone. How can trauma turn you into a tantrum queen. The belief of anjor that her mother doesn't love her enough as a parent is justified and is difficult to change so how can she believe chakor's love for her in a moment after agreeing over taking case back .

She saw how RD's truth was out in public with strong evidences and she was arrested and in jail toh who told anjor that RD will create danger even then. Small kids also don' t trust the police, judiciary etc. The moment she demanded chakor take the case back to believe chakor loves her i forgot that this is an eight year old child and also that she was heavily traumatised. Her behaviour is quite contrast to how traumatised kid behave or for that matter even how kids behave.


thanks Tinapiku

True

the post trauma part is the most important and normally traumatised individual become more cocooned, closed and more feary...

The makers have not done their research proper on this.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Sumi long time since we got a post from you!!! Good you wrote...👏 absolutely bang on with your analysis.
udaan last few episodes have been such that most of us are feeling disconnected...

The first week after the lease was simply awesome...And i was like WOW ...after a long time... but slowly it started going haywire and especially this anjor PART is kind of getting on my nerves...

I mean yeah she is a kid and all but they have fully changed her basic character itself...I mean what they had started with... her tantrums are kind of becoming irritating now... the way she is mouthing dialogues after dialogues, makes her a teenager rather than an 8 year old...also personally I feel that no sukor moments, is adding to the frustration 😳

Actually track has loads of potential... villains are a breath of fresh air after that deviji... hope they utilise this to the maximum and don't bore us to death.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Anjor behaviour is not completely different from how traumatised children look.


The effect of trauma on children especially if it's trauma that last for a longer period are different. The final effects depend on many things like personal characteristics, family and society (don't forget Anjor went trough big change here and she accepting and hugging Sukor that way was more fictional and illogical then maybe her behaviour now), type of trauma, duration of trauma. Children's will react differently and maybe not in same time. There is primary and secondary traumatisation. Some children will show effect of first traumatisation only after they were traumatised for second time.

There is that picture of traumatised children which is shown on TV, in films, in books, and the picture about which people are talking. The picture of child who gets depressed and silent closed and distant. But there are also other pictures of children who behave totally different. Some become rebellious while very few of them become over happy children who dont let people to see trough them and to their sufferings.

When u start coming close to the world of traumatised children you understand that their population is like one small world. You will find different children's with one same characteristic - they are all traumatised. While you will easily recognise some of them (identify their trauma), for other you will think they don't belong to that world till you find a way to reach the real them.

Some traumatised children grow up to be the best doctors, scientists, artist. Some of them will try to change the world. Some of them will be succesful in it.

Yet some traumatised children will become psychos and mentally sick people. Because no one saw and identified them as traumatised person, no one helped them. Maybe world will know about them too but not because they tried or did changed the world in a positive way but because they acted in opossite - destructive direction.



This is not justification for Anjor. Makers messed up with her but not totally. Imo while there is reason for us to get irritated there is still no reason to hate her. And no way that we can compare Anjor with Imli so soon. Imli from childhood was nowhere similar to this Anjor.

The biggest mistake makers did with Anjor is to change her from what we saw in UAK. I already said it, we should totally forgot that period. Anjors importance in show has been reduced to is attention to her writing. She is no more lead but leads daughter and there is significant difference between the two roles. If they have keept Anjor the way she was before then she would've required more attention, more screen space, more focus in show. And we would be complaining on that.
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Originally posted by: 77nikita

Sumi long time since we got a post from you!!! Good you wrote...👏 absolutely bang on with your analysis.

udaan last few episodes have been such that most of us are feeling disconnected...

The first week after the lease was simply awesome...And i was like WOW ...after a long time... but slowly it started going haywire and especially this anjor PART is kind of getting on my nerves...

I mean yeah she is a kid and all but they have fully changed her basic character itself...I mean what they had started with... her tantrums are kind of becoming irritating now... the way she is mouthing dialogues after dialogues, makes her a teenager rather than an 8 year old...also personally I feel that no sukor moments, is adding to the frustration 😳

Actually track has loads of potential... villains are a breath of fresh air after that deviji... hope they utilise this to the maximum and don't bore us to death.


Thanks Nikki deary!!

yes quite long after my dude's that fiercy pounce everything is dull... except for drama

very true yaar, missing sukor way too much,...only minuscule blessings but not satiating my sukor needs😭

no complains about the villians, they are threatening, though have not seen Vikram...

the makers are messing up as they are showing quite the opposite of a traumatised child's behaviour.

and now that dude has been kidnapped god knows how long he will be holidaying 😭 and we need to wait.

and Teju all the more I stay off, she is behaving like one ...


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Krupy

Anjor behaviour is not completely different from how traumatised children look.


The effect of trauma on children especially if it's trauma that last for a longer period are different. The final effects depend on many things like personal characteristics, family and society (don't forget Anjor went trough big change here and she accepting and hugging Sukor that way was more fictional and illogical then maybe her behaviour now), type of trauma, duration of trauma. Children's will react differently and maybe not in same time. There is primary and secondary traumatisation. Some children will show effect of first traumatisation only after they were traumatised for second time.

There is that picture of traumatised children which is shown on TV, in films, in books, and the picture about which people are talking. The picture of child who gets depressed and silent closed and distant. But there are also other pictures of children who behave totally different. Some become rebellious while very few of them become over happy children who dont let people to see trough them and to their sufferings.

When u start coming close to the world of traumatised children you understand that their population is like one small world. You will find different children's with one same characteristic - they are all traumatised. While you will easily recognise some of them (identify their trauma), for other you will think they don't belong to that world till you find a way to reach the real them.

Some traumatised children grow up to be the best doctors, scientists, artist. Some of them will try to change the world. Some of them will be succesful in it.

Yet some traumatised children will become psychos and mentally sick people. Because no one saw and identified them as traumatised person, no one helped them. Maybe world will know about them too but not because they tried or did changed the world in a positive way but because they acted in opossite - destructive direction.



This is not justification for Anjor. Makers messed up with her but not totally. Imo while there is reason for us to get irritated there is still no reason to hate her. And no way that we can compare Anjor with Imli so soon. Imli from childhood was nowhere similar to this Anjor.

The biggest mistake makers did with Anjor is to change her from what we saw in UAK. I already said it, we should totally forgot that period. Anjors importance in show has been reduced to is attention to her writing. She is no more lead but leads daughter and there is significant difference between the two roles. If they have keept Anjor the way she was before then she would've required more attention, more screen space, more focus in show. And we would be complaining on that.


Krupy.. thanks

@ Bold black ...true... as i have worked with them through CSR...

when coming to Anjor I am not comparing her with Imli's childhood but my affinity to Spandon makes me compare her. Yes i am able to give her that benefit, I am able to empathise her, getting a bit disconnected though not hating her (makers fault)

but my strong view is that she has to be taken care and not left alone with a stranger (that part of dealing with a traumatised child is not dealt properly... I have not seen the episode but read the WU) . Teju should stay with her...

I know Suraj is concerned about Chakor and also about the villians but i would prefer him to talk to Anjor not about Chakor or chakor's love but to find out the agony trauma she went through, as no-one has sat with her to find the depth. (again i am talking logic...)

Bold red will try to follow your... erase from memory UAK

thanks again Krupy for the explanation 👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Another problem of makers they never show anjor bonding with other than leads lyk teju, bhuka etc. Not even during 2 year leap chakor let saanvi with daadi or others. Atleast i thought when she hates chakor she might sleep with her dadi. But makers only add extra characters to scenes when there is crisis or danger. Teju is now only seen when someone is kidnapped and that too for blaming chakor. Bhuka toh chodo unka zikr bhi nahin hn.

Makers ke pass revamp ke waqt bohat zyada budget tha for mela of characters. Ab haveli mei sirf sukor hi dikthte hn regularly. Benefit of joint family is if children somehow distances them from parents grandparents make the tuning between them better.

Space is what anjor needed from chakor but not be entirely kept alone, her space should be accompanied by suraj, teju or bhuka , suraj is busy in consoling wife though i agree he is spending time with anjor but quality conversation is misding, teju toh haveli mei hi rehti hn ki nahin pata, aur bhuka azaadganj mei rehte hn ki nahin pata. So the space is invaded by stranger vikram.
Edited by tinapiku - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Please for God's sake,cut down dialogues of Anjor.
Why she repeating same things again and again and it's hell irritating.😡
Last part of today,dragged and boring to watch.

Don't know what CVS trying ?
Forcing us to feel for Anjor or irritate us ?
Both the child artist with no skills of acting plus her character are irritating to watch.

Creative team seriously lacking sense of realising what is good performance and what is good for show or not and what is need to cut down to make show interesting.

@sumi (sorry for making your post a frustration thread)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: binivenugopal

Please for God's sake,cut down dialogues of Anjor.

Why she repeating same things again and again and it's hell irritating. 😡
Last part of today,dragged and boring to watch.

Don't know what CVS trying ?
Forcing us to feel for Anjor or irritate us ?
Both the child artist with no skills of acting plus her character are irritating to watch.

Creative team seriously lacking sense of realising what is good performance and what is good for show or not and what is need to cut down to make show interesting.

@sumi (sorry for making your post a frustration thread)


Bini no sorry dear. I too wrote this to share my view snd bring out others too.

Writers have messed up. Wish they see the old gokden episodes of udaan

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