Suraj has a lot of growing up to do! - Page 4

Originally posted by: sonam21

For me, no matter how good someone's intentions are, if his actions leads to disastrous consequences then one needs to be punished. However, i have my own understanding as to why suraj's explanation is changing every day, you might feel free to completely disagree with me😛.

I think due to their bad childhood, both sukor lacks self-confidence as far as relationships are concerned and feel that noone can love them just for themselves or the way they, thus devising their own strategies to counteract this problem. chakor uses her resourcefulness as means to keep her dear ones always near to her, thats why no matter how badly they treat her, she keeps on doing things for them as she doesnt want their "zaroorat" for her to end. I saw fear on her face when during holi track she came to know that suraj has got work without her help, she said "suraj ko ab hamari zaroorat nahi hain" and then their was relief when she helped him with the kids when she said" dekha suraj, tumhe aakhirkar hamari zaroorat pad hi gayi".

suraj, on the other hand, till he was himself, his father used to beat him, abuse him and then when he started doing things KN's way, he got his affection. in his mind to get a person's love he has to be like him, so to when he was with KN, he bacame KN -part 2, with chakor, he became chakor-part 2 and started behaving exactly like her. the original suraj is there but it fears to come out lest chakor leaves him.

when he saw imli in distress, he did what exactly chakor did a year ago, sacrificed her love, took everyone's blame and hatred but he failed to realize that one cant copy someone blindly. chakor's actions were based on her priority list, she loved imli more than vivan so she sacrificed and let go. but does imli ranks higher than chakor in suraj's priority list, i dont think so, thats why he's not letting go off chakor as well. he doesnt realize that his current demand is downright cheap, he wants to stay with two women in his room and he expects chakor to comply with that.

his conditions is like that student who was copying so blindly that he copied the other person's name too. he thought since he acted like chakor , she'll understand and support him but now that chakor has left him, he's all confused that why he did what he did, did he do right or wrong and thats why he's coming up with new explanation daily. hope i made sense😛

Originally posted by: -LumosMaxima-

IMO if he has to provide different reasons every day to justify his actions then he himself is not convinced enough about his intention. If he wants to protect Imli or lessen his guilt for his previous actions then he should not have used Chakor's happiness as an excuse in the first place. I find his reasons contradictory to EO. Yes you are right sometimes we can't predict the consequences of our actions. Here Suraj had a chance to stop this mess but for whatever reason he chose to stay inactive. I don't believe telling Chakor the truth would have made him less of a man or irresponsible man. He did not need to jeopardize his marriage to protect the child or Imli.

Originally posted by: Tara_Vjian

I have only one thing to add

According to spoiler suraj finds out kn and honestly goes and tells Chakor.

And i am so proud of him.

Originally posted by: sonam21

For me, no matter how good someone's intentions are, if his actions leads to disastrous consequences then one needs to be punished. However, i have my own understanding as to why suraj's explanation is changing every day, you might feel free to completely disagree with me😛.

I think due to their bad childhood, both sukor lacks self-confidence as far as relationships are concerned and feel that noone can love them just for themselves or the way they, thus devising their own strategies to counteract this problem. chakor uses her resourcefulness as means to keep her dear ones always near to her, thats why no matter how badly they treat her, she keeps on doing things for them as she doesnt want their "zaroorat" for her to end. I saw fear on her face when during holi track she came to know that suraj has got work without her help, she said "suraj ko ab hamari zaroorat nahi hain" and then their was relief when she helped him with the kids when she said" dekha suraj, tumhe aakhirkar hamari zaroorat pad hi gayi".

suraj, on the other hand, till he was himself, his father used to beat him, abuse him and then when he started doing things KN's way, he got his affection. in his mind to get a person's love he has to be like him, so to when he was with KN, he bacame KN -part 2, with chakor, he became chakor-part 2 and started behaving exactly like her. the original suraj is there but it fears to come out lest chakor leaves him.

when he saw imli in distress, he did what exactly chakor did a year ago, sacrificed her love, took everyone's blame and hatred but he failed to realize that one cant copy someone blindly. chakor's actions were based on her priority list, she loved imli more than vivan so she sacrificed and let go. but does imli ranks higher than chakor in suraj's priority list, i dont think so, thats why he's not letting go off chakor as well. he doesnt realize that his current demand is downright cheap, he wants to stay with two women in his room and he expects chakor to comply with that.

his conditions is like that student who was copying so blindly that he copied the other person's name too. he thought since he acted like chakor , she'll understand and support him but now that chakor has left him, he's all confused that why he did what he did, did he do right or wrong and thats why he's coming up with new explanation daily. hope i made sense😛

Originally posted by: sonam21

@chasa, i feel its not just suraj but chakor too needs to change her outlook towards maintaining of relationships.

@LumosMaxima, i agree with you about the suraj-imli scenes, for drama sake the CV's tend to get overboard and some of their scenes are done very unaesthetically and distastefully. but about suraj's character, i see it this way. in this show character growth and progression happens only when KN starts going after that person and their suffering and fight to overcome the problems starts. for chakor this journey started since childhood, she is what she is today coz of that 20yrs struggle, her mental strength, grit, determination, never say die attitude,ambition, everything while suraj's journey has just started. for 25yrs he had a happy, careless and arrogant lifestyle, its just months ago that he has started seeing the real face of life, hardships, etc. i feel it'll take time for him to mature and become sensible, with every mistake and following punishment, he'll learn and grow.

atleast this is what i'm expecting from this track, coz if suraj doesnt make amends for his huge blunder, doesnt changes his attitude towards marriage, relationships and chakor, then all this drama, mu doesnt make any sense .

Originally posted by: -LumosMaxima-

Interesting view on Suraj. I agree with you on certain points and that's why I believe he needs lot of growing up to do emotionally. Since he took the responsibility of a kid that makes it ever more necessary for him to become more responsible and mature.

To make amends for his blunder first he needs to understand his actions were wrong. But if CVs portray his act as generous act instead of making him realize his short comings then i dont think his character graph will improve.

Originally posted by: sonam21

@bold, this is what i fear too. in yesterday's episode, suraj said " hamari jagah koi nahi leh sakta", this coming from a man who has already given chakor's place to another woman in his room, is plain ridiculous. I thought that suraj-chakor-ajay equation will be reverse of suraj-chakor-imli equation, except that this time it will be suraj who'll feel like an outsider or the 3rd person instead of chakor and suraj will realize how much he has hurt chakor with his actions, but yaha sab ulta ho raha hain, suraj getting angry and questioning chakor's character 😲.

I am optimistic about this track coz i genuinely feel at the end of it, suraj will rise like a phoenix , set everything right and become the hero. If it doesnt happen that way and CV's justify his action as generosity , then i can happily move on from this show thinking of getting saved from future tortures. Imagine if this is the solution CV's come up with for this problem, then god knows what track they'll bring later in the future and pata nahi suraj aur kis kiske bachche ka baap banega.

Originally posted by: sailuja

@bold nice observation u are giving do much definition about sukor based history...but u mean that is suraj doing everything chakor way? U meathe that he is copying everything the look chakor...😛 ?? It's mean chakor is his professor . suraj is following her..😛😆.(great point)😃👏

But deeply can't say like that...he thought that chakor will give award to his mahantha attitude finall chakor left..him 😉(but oneyhing any wife will never accept this such crap sacrficness)😛

Originally posted by: sonam21

Hi, sorry for the late reply, was at work. By copying, what i meant was suraj reacted the way chakor would've reacted.

About suraj expecting chakor to understand him, i've already written in my 1st post that i see a similarity in the situation of last year's chakor and today's suraj. Back then while refusing divorce chakor repeatedly said she loves suraj, she wants to stay with him, so she doesnt want to divorce him, then how could we expect vivan to trust her. She came back after 10yrs, people do change in that time so vivan didnt know the grown up chakor well, so it was natural for him to distrust her. Its not that he didnt give her chances, he asked so many times but everytime chakor kept on saying the same thing but she also expected vivan to trust her, why? that situation was as grave, think from vivan's point of view, my childhood friend faked love with me while she was loving my brother, fooled me into this marriage setting so that she can marry him, him finding both in one room and suraj shirtless, wasnt it obvious for him to get angry and not trust chakor's words and on what basis was chakor expecting him to trust her, coz they loved each other.

the difference is, back then we knew why chakor is lying, today we dont know why suraj is lying, i guess we've to wait for future episodes for that. Like last time's chakor, suraj is also expecting that though he's lying still chakor should understand and trust him, because they love each other. I know chakor cant be blamed at all for this, coz going by the past history that they share, vivan's words of them coming close when she wasnt around (result of their own inappropriate behaviour), her own insecurities, she's totally justified in what she has done. Here, i just explained why i think that suraj was expecting chakor to trust him.

Originally posted by: Richa.pokeship

I agree with most of your points,but i don't think that suraj is copying chakor now,i think this is what he has become,maybe m wrong.