A Suraj basher or a Surajian? - Page 3

Originally posted by: eshasrk

Very apt post Geet 👏

You have said it all and nothing more to add

And I am kinda fed up of writing something down or ranting or bashing or whatever ppl want to call it

@geetkumar

Firstly a huge round of applause for such a wonderful post👏

This is for all you lovely people out there in this forum😊

All of you are neither Suraj haters nor Suraj bashers😎 I've seen your madness for Suraj, I've seen you all wanting to trash Chakor with a frying pan😆 So none of you are biased either towards Suraj or Chakor👏 You people takes sides of them depending on what they've done in their scenes. this is commendable & this is what I like about you all🤗 This is what makes me proud of your all👍🏼 I value your opinions a lot & I really mean it😳

It's actually you all, including me are disappointed with how the CVs are showing Suraj's character nowadays You all are hardcore fans of Suraj who are immensely and deeply in love with him😉 You all have identified yourselves with him, you all have made him your idol, you all have made him the true symbol of love & heroism, you have all made him a vital part of your life, you have always forgiven his mistakes in the belief that he can never go wrong, knowingly or unknowingly he has become the name you all reckon upon, your imaginary world revolves around him being the superhero who can never go wrong⭐️

Now this is the problem hereHe's no superhero He's a normal human being.

When we don't love someone or are indifferent to someone, then his/her opinions don't tend to bother us much, if that person hurts us also, we don't tend to get hurt that much. But when our nearest and dearest ones does a small mistake or fails to fulfill our expectations, then we tend to get more hurt😭 It's bcoz we value that person; that person's opinion matters a lot; his/her behavior bothers/affects us a lot😳

All of us have loved this guy called Suraj so much that we have set our expectations sky high thinking that he'll react like this in this situation & he'll react like that in that situation. We've failed to recognize him as a normal being like us who has his own flaws. After all, nobody is perfect right guyz!😃

Just bcoz he could sense at times that chakor is in danger, we think this sense of judgement of his will last forever. Yes, undoubtedly he did sense that chakor is in danger & is remembering him. But as I said, I truly believe that if imli had not been with him at that moment😡 then the phone conversation would have been something else. Coz we all know, chakor's voice was definitely not normal & neither was she speaking in a normal manner or tone. Everything was being reflected in her voice & I'm sure suraj sensed it too &that's why he asked her what's the matter, is she ok? Believe it or not, if imli wasn't in the scenario in that time, I'm damn confident that suraj & chakor would have talked freely regarding what happened, & by chance if chakor still said she was ok, suraj would be adamant to know what happened, he would have said what's wrong with her voice & all that & would have left that car & ran on his feet to save chakor

The problem is that imli's presence could not allow the environment where Sukor could have a normal conversation in that moment🤢😡 Sukor were feeling awkward, & that credit goes to imli coz if they would say anything then imlu would go arrey maiyya re, aap dono toh blah blah blah & start teasing them. That's why suraj couldn't show more concern towards chakor at that moment & chakor too couldn't tell suraj to come fast to her so the poor soul said come at your own time😭

Plus, we can't expect suraj to leave imli all alone on the streets & run to save his jungli billi😉 If he was alone, then I'm sure he would have left the car on the street & run to save chakor. During the delhi track, if he could leave his jeep on the road, then what's the big deal this time⭐️ Telling imli that they can't leave the car on the street like that was just a silly excuse🤪 saari musibat ki jad toh woh imli hai. If imli wasn't with him, then he would forget everything & run despite a bleeding leg for chakor. Now we can't expect suraj to say, it's bcoz of u i can't go coz i can't leave u alone all here at night, otherwise i would go😆 that would be rude from his part & a gentleman doesn't leave a girl all like that on the road at night right guyz 😛

When imli started the conversation, we all could see suraj turned his face in the opposite direction. Seeing that imli should have stopped the conversation right there & think suraj has felt awkward, but she still went on & asked him does he still remember his son😲 When he said yes, baat khatam... but naah! She demanded an explanation🥱 & started the court session where he needed to say something to prove that he does remember it by saying the number of days & months😵 He's so bad in calculation, he says 18^th is their wedding anniversary😲 I thought 30^th june was their anniversary, the episode had aired on that day 🤣 hum audiences ko kya bewakoof samajhte hain yeh log...🤣

OK, Coming back to their conversation, yes, in my pov, their conversation was absolutely fine & normal but ended up with a mess The conversation should not have ended on aapki aur humri shaadi hojati, it should have reached the conclusion that the swap that happened was better but naah! But then it's not suraj's fault also, now in the current situation he can't say you got a gem like vivaan seeing how vivaan is nowadays. So i really don't know whom to put the blame upon that their conversation got messed up at the end & didn't reach a proper conclusion.

Then our imlu baby who can scare the hell out of us gets scared & holds on to his hand🤢 Guyz there's one thing I've never ever been able to understand in my entire life. Who goes & catches someone or runs into the arms of someone on listening to the thunder or at the sight of lightening😡 Why is this such a clich used in almost every hindi serial or movie👎🏼 I just hate it😡🤢

Their holding hands was also absolutely normal. The problem is that in the past they had physical relationship for one night in a drunken state & that past of theirs is not haunting them but is haunting us in real😭 We just can't forget that moment so we fear that if these two people come together then they'll become weak & become a victim of circumstances & once again repeat that physical relationship once again. I know these two have already moved on The pregnancy joke last time with that pillow was a proof that there was no awkwardness or bitterness left in their mind or hearts for one another & they have moved on already😎

Guyz, I didn't find their glance towards each other any romantic. It was like something else, a mixture of fear, a mixture of guilt, a mixture of awkwardness, a mixture of pain, a mixture of care for each other, a mixture of love, (now by love i mean that friendship love, that respect for another person, i'm not talking about the opposite gender's ishq wala love) that's it, etc. nothing more than that. It was as if they lost words & had nothing more to tell each other rather than to say it's over, forget it, let's move on, they decided to keep their mouths shut woh bhi muh mein dahi jamaake😛😆

The music, ambience, mood, feel of that scene was no way romantic in my pov. It was actually full of horror🤪 as if the ghosts named CVs were challenging us, dekho tumhare Sukor ko hum alag kar denge yeh sab chakoriya ko dikhake, phir woh suraj ko chod degi HA HA HA rok sako toh rok lo HA HA HA 🤢🤣

Well well well, so what if chakor didn't promise suraj that she'll never leave him during the mela track; he too didn't promise he'll never leave her when she kept on saying waada karo suraj tum hume kabhi chodke nahin jaaoge, wada karo suraj. Both didn't promise each other not to leave them. hisaab baraabar. That's why I said this earlier, dono hi gadhe hai, ullu ke patthe hain, made for each other types - rab ne banadi jodi hai 😉🤣

btw i still love Sukor ☺️

after such a long post, let me answer your title in short - @geetkumar You (naah! actually all of you😉) are a true Surajian not a Suraj basher 😎

Love

Sneha

Originally posted by: ghotalaz

@geetkumar

Firstly a huge round of applause for such a wonderful post👏

This is for all you lovely people out there in this forum😊

All of you are neither Suraj haters nor Suraj bashers😎 I've seen your madness for Suraj, I've seen you all wanting to trash Chakor with a frying pan😆 So none of you are biased either towards Suraj or Chakor👏 You people takes sides of them depending on what they've done in their scenes. this is commendable & this is what I like about you all🤗 This is what makes me proud of your all👍🏼 I value your opinions a lot & I really mean it😳

It's actually you all, including me are disappointed with how the CVs are showing Suraj's character nowadays You all are hardcore fans of Suraj who are immensely and deeply in love with him😉 You all have identified yourselves with him, you all have made him your idol, you all have made him the true symbol of love & heroism, you have all made him a vital part of your life, you have always forgiven his mistakes in the belief that he can never go wrong, knowingly or unknowingly he has become the name you all reckon upon, your imaginary world revolves around him being the superhero who can never go wrong⭐️

Now this is the problem hereHe's no superhero He's a normal human being.

When we don't love someone or are indifferent to someone, then his/her opinions don't tend to bother us much, if that person hurts us also, we don't tend to get hurt that much. But when our nearest and dearest ones does a small mistake or fails to fulfill our expectations, then we tend to get more hurt😭 It's bcoz we value that person; that person's opinion matters a lot; his/her behavior bothers/affects us a lot😳

All of us have loved this guy called Suraj so much that we have set our expectations sky high thinking that he'll react like this in this situation & he'll react like that in that situation. We've failed to recognize him as a normal being like us who has his own flaws. After all, nobody is perfect right guyz!😃

Just bcoz he could sense at times that chakor is in danger, we think this sense of judgement of his will last forever. Yes, undoubtedly he did sense that chakor is in danger & is remembering him. But as I said, I truly believe that if imli had not been with him at that moment😡 then the phone conversation would have been something else. Coz we all know, chakor's voice was definitely not normal & neither was she speaking in a normal manner or tone. Everything was being reflected in her voice & I'm sure suraj sensed it too &that's why he asked her what's the matter, is she ok? Believe it or not, if imli wasn't in the scenario in that time, I'm damn confident that suraj & chakor would have talked freely regarding what happened, & by chance if chakor still said she was ok, suraj would be adamant to know what happened, he would have said what's wrong with her voice & all that & would have left that car & ran on his feet to save chakor

The problem is that imli's presence could not allow the environment where Sukor could have a normal conversation in that moment🤢😡 Sukor were feeling awkward, & that credit goes to imli coz if they would say anything then imlu would go arrey maiyya re, aap dono toh blah blah blah & start teasing them. That's why suraj couldn't show more concern towards chakor at that moment & chakor too couldn't tell suraj to come fast to her so the poor soul said come at your own time😭

Plus, we can't expect suraj to leave imli all alone on the streets & run to save his jungli billi😉 If he was alone, then I'm sure he would have left the car on the street & run to save chakor. During the delhi track, if he could leave his jeep on the road, then what's the big deal this time⭐️ Telling imli that they can't leave the car on the street like that was just a silly excuse🤪 saari musibat ki jad toh woh imli hai. If imli wasn't with him, then he would forget everything & run despite a bleeding leg for chakor. Now we can't expect suraj to say, it's bcoz of u i can't go coz i can't leave u alone all here at night, otherwise i would go😆 that would be rude from his part & a gentleman doesn't leave a girl all like that on the road at night right guyz 😛

When imli started the conversation, we all could see suraj turned his face in the opposite direction. Seeing that imli should have stopped the conversation right there & think suraj has felt awkward, but she still went on & asked him does he still remember his son😲 When he said yes, baat khatam... but naah! She demanded an explanation🥱 & started the court session where he needed to say something to prove that he does remember it by saying the number of days & months😵 He's so bad in calculation, he says 18^th is their wedding anniversary😲 I thought 30^th june was their anniversary, the episode had aired on that day 🤣 hum audiences ko kya bewakoof samajhte hain yeh log...🤣

OK, Coming back to their conversation, yes, in my pov, their conversation was absolutely fine & normal but ended up with a mess The conversation should not have ended on aapki aur humri shaadi hojati, it should have reached the conclusion that the swap that happened was better but naah! But then it's not suraj's fault also, now in the current situation he can't say you got a gem like vivaan seeing how vivaan is nowadays. So i really don't know whom to put the blame upon that their conversation got messed up at the end & didn't reach a proper conclusion.

Then our imlu baby who can scare the hell out of us gets scared & holds on to his hand🤢 Guyz there's one thing I've never ever been able to understand in my entire life. Who goes & catches someone or runs into the arms of someone on listening to the thunder or at the sight of lightening😡 Why is this such a clich used in almost every hindi serial or movie👎🏼 I just hate it😡🤢

Their holding hands was also absolutely normal. The problem is that in the past they had physical relationship for one night in a drunken state & that past of theirs is not haunting them but is haunting us in real😭 We just can't forget that moment so we fear that if these two people come together then they'll become weak & become a victim of circumstances & once again repeat that physical relationship once again. I know these two have already moved on The pregnancy joke last time with that pillow was a proof that there was no awkwardness or bitterness left in their mind or hearts for one another & they have moved on already😎

Guyz, I didn't find their glance towards each other any romantic. It was like something else, a mixture of fear, a mixture of guilt, a mixture of awkwardness, a mixture of pain, a mixture of care for each other, a mixture of love, (now by love i mean that friendship love, that respect for another person, i'm not talking about the opposite gender's ishq wala love) that's it, etc. nothing more than that. It was as if they lost words & had nothing more to tell each other rather than to say it's over, forget it, let's move on, they decided to keep their mouths shut woh bhi muh mein dahi jamaake😛😆

The music, ambience, mood, feel of that scene was no way romantic in my pov. It was actually full of horror🤪 as if the ghosts named CVs were challenging us, dekho tumhare Sukor ko hum alag kar denge yeh sab chakoriya ko dikhake, phir woh suraj ko chod degi HA HA HA rok sako toh rok lo HA HA HA 🤢🤣

Well well well, so what if chakor didn't promise suraj that she'll never leave him during the mela track; he too didn't promise he'll never leave her when she kept on saying waada karo suraj tum hume kabhi chodke nahin jaaoge, wada karo suraj. Both didn't promise each other not to leave them. hisaab baraabar. That's why I said this earlier, dono hi gadhe hai, ullu ke patthe hain, made for each other types - rab ne banadi jodi hai 😉🤣

btw i still love Sukor ☺️

after such a long post, let me answer your title in short - @geetkumar You (naah! actually all of you😉) are a true Surajian not a Suraj basher 😎

Love

Sneha

Originally posted by: Falku11

damn what a post👏👏

me too love Sukor

and a Surajian too😛

Epic post👏

>>1<<--they are in a hurry to separate Sukor so that's why they are now playing with the dates now.😛

>>2<<--🤣🤣

>>3<<--so true😆

I ❤️ Sukor

Originally posted by: geetkumar

Thank you Sneha, for taking out the time to read my post and enduring it.

And thank you for not being judgemental.

Yes I loved Suraj. No doubt about that. But I never expected him to be a super human. No.

If I could love Suraj when he was purely evil, do you think that I wouldn't overlook few of his human flaws?

No, I have no such notion in my mind that Suraj is a super hero. Neither , have I build up a larger than life character in my mind like a teenager ( No offence to teenagers. It is just that I deal with a lot of teenagers in my profession). I just want him to use his common sense.

Let me tell you, Udaan is such a serial, that not only youngsters but also the older group of citizens enjoy watching. In fact my Naani is a much more avid fan of Suraj than me. And she was the first one to say "ye kya tha?"

Suraj as a character was shown as a very smart and intelligent person. And more than that he was very much intuitive.

Since , the Bandhua track , the makers have started the constant degradation of the character.

Tell me honestly, which 25 to 30 year old man needs a love lesson from a seven year old? Don't we ask the children to stay away from the matters of the adults?

Did he need help during the confession of his love to Imli? He used his brains didn't he?

Did he need help while plotting against his father?

He was the only one who came to the conclusion that Manohar was murdered and that too by Ranjana and collected evidence against Ranjana, That means he is extremely smart.

Then how come the same person need help for taking every step in his life now.

Why does he need help from either Paakhi or Chakor or Imli?

Now my second point is, he has moved on in his life. And loves Chakor.

When we love someone. We automatically start to understand that person. We start observing their likes, dislikes, their habits, attitude, fear, joy, insecurities, flaws etc.

OK, I get that, that he doesn't know that Chakor loves him. But hasn't he noticed that Chakor likes him? Hasn't he noticed that she trusts him?

He knows about her insecurities. So can't he maintain a little distance from Imli?

He couldn't leave Imli stranded, so he could have asked her walk home with him. If he would have voiced out that he was worried for Chakor and he wants to reach home as soon as possible, Would Imli have stopped him?

Now tell me what was more important, Chakor safety or not getting teased by Imli?

If imli was interfering too much between Sukor's conversation, he could have easily asked her to kindly shut up and let him talk.

If you think that your loved one is in danger or in trouble, then you bother about their safety and not about being teased.

If he was sleepy, he could have easily moved to the front seat and offered the entire back seat to Imli to sleep comfortably.

I am not asking him to be a super hero, I am asking him to use common sense.

He had that before. In ample. So what is stopping him to use it now?

AND WHY THE HELL DID HE LIE?

Did Chakor ask him about his sleeping arrangement? Did she set up an inquiry?

Did she ask anything? Then why did he lie.? Was he feeling guilty? About what? Did he do something wrong? Then what?

He had never lied to Chakor before. He confessed the ugliest of truths to her previously. Then what was the necessity now to lie to her?

That means he knows that what he did was ethically incorrect.

I don't mind being called a hater or a basher. But right now the way Suraj is shown I don't like him much.

For me emotional infidelity is equally bad.

Originally posted by: Banjaaran.

Thank you Geet.
THIS.

i for one LOVE flawed protagonists.
i want my heroes to be Titans. Yes! do i want them be flawless super heroes or perfect? NO!
my protagonist in the novel i wrote was an Assassin for godsakes😆.

what i want my heroes to do is... give it all. be it in love. or in vengeance.
and Suraj failed me in both aspects.
not because i expected more of him. but because i expected what he was capable of delivering and didn't.

he couldn't step up in guts, grit and gumption in game of vengeance.
he couldn't step in for sense and sensibility in world of love. (not even counting intensity and passion.)

i am not cribbing, complaining or bashing if you please because i am chronic basher.
but because i saw a man who was there.
and then he was gone.

loving less, living less, being less... i can't accept this in my real life.
why should i in my fantasy land?

Originally posted by: ghotalaz

@geetkumar

Firstly a huge round of applause for such a wonderful post👏

This is for all you lovely people out there in this forum😊

All of you are neither Suraj haters nor Suraj bashers😎 I've seen your madness for Suraj, I've seen you all wanting to trash Chakor with a frying pan😆 So none of you are biased either towards Suraj or Chakor👏 You people takes sides of them depending on what they've done in their scenes. this is commendable & this is what I like about you all🤗 This is what makes me proud of your all👍🏼 I value your opinions a lot & I really mean it😳

It's actually you all, including me are disappointed with how the CVs are showing Suraj's character nowadays You all are hardcore fans of Suraj who are immensely and deeply in love with him😉 You all have identified yourselves with him, you all have made him your idol, you all have made him the true symbol of love & heroism, you have all made him a vital part of your life, you have always forgiven his mistakes in the belief that he can never go wrong, knowingly or unknowingly he has become the name you all reckon upon, your imaginary world revolves around him being the superhero who can never go wrong⭐️

Now this is the problem hereHe's no superhero He's a normal human being.

When we don't love someone or are indifferent to someone, then his/her opinions don't tend to bother us much, if that person hurts us also, we don't tend to get hurt that much. But when our nearest and dearest ones does a small mistake or fails to fulfill our expectations, then we tend to get more hurt😭 It's bcoz we value that person; that person's opinion matters a lot; his/her behavior bothers/affects us a lot😳

All of us have loved this guy called Suraj so much that we have set our expectations sky high thinking that he'll react like this in this situation & he'll react like that in that situation. We've failed to recognize him as a normal being like us who has his own flaws. After all, nobody is perfect right guyz!😃

Just bcoz he could sense at times that chakor is in danger, we think this sense of judgement of his will last forever. Yes, undoubtedly he did sense that chakor is in danger & is remembering him. But as I said, I truly believe that if imli had not been with him at that moment😡 then the phone conversation would have been something else. Coz we all know, chakor's voice was definitely not normal & neither was she speaking in a normal manner or tone. Everything was being reflected in her voice & I'm sure suraj sensed it too &that's why he asked her what's the matter, is she ok? Believe it or not, if imli wasn't in the scenario in that time, I'm damn confident that suraj & chakor would have talked freely regarding what happened, & by chance if chakor still said she was ok, suraj would be adamant to know what happened, he would have said what's wrong with her voice & all that & would have left that car & ran on his feet to save chakor

The problem is that imli's presence could not allow the environment where Sukor could have a normal conversation in that moment🤢😡 Sukor were feeling awkward, & that credit goes to imli coz if they would say anything then imlu would go arrey maiyya re, aap dono toh blah blah blah & start teasing them. That's why suraj couldn't show more concern towards chakor at that moment & chakor too couldn't tell suraj to come fast to her so the poor soul said come at your own time😭

Plus, we can't expect suraj to leave imli all alone on the streets & run to save his jungli billi😉 If he was alone, then I'm sure he would have left the car on the street & run to save chakor. During the delhi track, if he could leave his jeep on the road, then what's the big deal this time⭐️ Telling imli that they can't leave the car on the street like that was just a silly excuse🤪 saari musibat ki jad toh woh imli hai. If imli wasn't with him, then he would forget everything & run despite a bleeding leg for chakor. Now we can't expect suraj to say, it's bcoz of u i can't go coz i can't leave u alone all here at night, otherwise i would go😆 that would be rude from his part & a gentleman doesn't leave a girl all like that on the road at night right guyz 😛

When imli started the conversation, we all could see suraj turned his face in the opposite direction. Seeing that imli should have stopped the conversation right there & think suraj has felt awkward, but she still went on & asked him does he still remember his son😲 When he said yes, baat khatam... but naah! She demanded an explanation🥱 & started the court session where he needed to say something to prove that he does remember it by saying the number of days & months😵 He's so bad in calculation, he says 18^th is their wedding anniversary😲 I thought 30^th june was their anniversary, the episode had aired on that day 🤣 hum audiences ko kya bewakoof samajhte hain yeh log...🤣

OK, Coming back to their conversation, yes, in my pov, their conversation was absolutely fine & normal but ended up with a mess The conversation should not have ended on aapki aur humri shaadi hojati, it should have reached the conclusion that the swap that happened was better but naah! But then it's not suraj's fault also, now in the current situation he can't say you got a gem like vivaan seeing how vivaan is nowadays. So i really don't know whom to put the blame upon that their conversation got messed up at the end & didn't reach a proper conclusion.

Then our imlu baby who can scare the hell out of us gets scared & holds on to his hand🤢 Guyz there's one thing I've never ever been able to understand in my entire life. Who goes & catches someone or runs into the arms of someone on listening to the thunder or at the sight of lightening😡 Why is this such a clich used in almost every hindi serial or movie👎🏼 I just hate it😡🤢

Their holding hands was also absolutely normal. The problem is that in the past they had physical relationship for one night in a drunken state & that past of theirs is not haunting them but is haunting us in real😭 We just can't forget that moment so we fear that if these two people come together then they'll become weak & become a victim of circumstances & once again repeat that physical relationship once again. I know these two have already moved on The pregnancy joke last time with that pillow was a proof that there was no awkwardness or bitterness left in their mind or hearts for one another & they have moved on already😎

Guyz, I didn't find their glance towards each other any romantic. It was like something else, a mixture of fear, a mixture of guilt, a mixture of awkwardness, a mixture of pain, a mixture of care for each other, a mixture of love, (now by love i mean that friendship love, that respect for another person, i'm not talking about the opposite gender's ishq wala love) that's it, etc. nothing more than that. It was as if they lost words & had nothing more to tell each other rather than to say it's over, forget it, let's move on, they decided to keep their mouths shut woh bhi muh mein dahi jamaake😛😆

The music, ambience, mood, feel of that scene was no way romantic in my pov. It was actually full of horror🤪 as if the ghosts named CVs were challenging us, dekho tumhare Sukor ko hum alag kar denge yeh sab chakoriya ko dikhake, phir woh suraj ko chod degi HA HA HA rok sako toh rok lo HA HA HA 🤢🤣

Well well well, so what if chakor didn't promise suraj that she'll never leave him during the mela track; he too didn't promise he'll never leave her when she kept on saying waada karo suraj tum hume kabhi chodke nahin jaaoge, wada karo suraj. Both didn't promise each other not to leave them. hisaab baraabar. That's why I said this earlier, dono hi gadhe hai, ullu ke patthe hain, made for each other types - rab ne banadi jodi hai 😉🤣

btw i still love Sukor ☺️

after such a long post, let me answer your title in short - @geetkumar You (naah! actually all of you😉) are a true Surajian not a Suraj basher 😎

Love

Sneha