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Etna_Dia

@Etna_Dia

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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: parboni
Well,one thing that I hated in both small and adult chakor is-meaninglessly yelling!Yeah,that kinda pisses me off when she she deals with Suraj.But then Suraj is the guy she doesn't even 'like' a bit,let alone love.Though inwardly she does care about him,and I donot think its only because she wants him as an ally against KN,as she keeps repeating to herself.Even if I was confused,my confusion became clear after the jailor Yadav fiasco.But as she tries to show otherwise,I donot wonder why Suraj feels that Chakor still hates him.Having said,all these I'd wanna see that Chakor gives him all the love and care that he rightfully deserves once she actually falls for him.However,its gonna be a tough ride coz forgiving a guy who'd been a monster to you his whole life and falling in love with the same guy are totally two different things.

Indeed she doesn't see him just as a weapon against KN. She has already shown signs of attraction toward him, but she will never admit this to herself.

All I know from Indian shows is that when a girl falls for her husband, she never looks back, she adores him. But for this to happen here, Suraj has to go through some important changes.

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Etna_Dia

@Etna_Dia

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: ipkrr
Claudia - I did not read other's replies...as I wanted to jump in.
You may all be a bit presumptious in assuming Chakor does not realize all this. CVs have given clues...that it may not be so. During the bus ride...she smiles after she finds herself sleeping on his shoulder and especially after today's episode...CVs took my breath away today...she turned the tables on him today as well...even when drunk????...with her knowing smile before she drifted off to sleep.
CVs are smart...after today's dialog's Claudia...we may be right after all - with Surajs prior infatuation with Chakor...he did say Imli was jealous of her...I tell you the CVs have still not closed that off.

I did not like her confessing today that even Suraj was in love with Imli at the same time and that it bothered her...too soon for that I felt. While Suraj may be justified in all he has done...he still has done a lot of stuff to Chakor - that he has not officially apologised for.

Just like Suraj with all his baggage may be justified...poor Chakor with everything that gets doled out to her on her head every 5 mins..needs to be seen in context of what she sees done and happening. She says today - that fighting with Suraj got her attention...that was very vulnerable.

Priya, I have just written a long post for you, but the power went out for a couple of moments and missed all of it. Too bad, I was working on a gif to make a point but lost it. Now is too late to start again. I am tired, too. I feel so sorry.

Just to make it short. I am glad that you've read my thread and I agree with what you have said in all of your replays. I was just telling Esha the same thing. I don't defend Suraj and I even expect some public apologize, maybe even in front of the media. The thread was meant to present the current state of their relationship and to emphasize who Suraj is and where he comes from. Sometimes is difficult to write down exactly what you mean.

I don't defend Suraj or anyone based on their background. It can be an excuse for children, not for grown up men. But seeing someone evolving from a bad background into a better person makes for good story real or reel. And that is what I have expected from Suraj, a beautiful story.

Coming back to our prediction, my heart skipped a beat when I read that maybe we are right after all. I haven't watched the episode, too busy with the replies.
As I was trying to explain in my post, if she can't understand who Suraj is and where he comes from, how can she understand such a personal thing about him, like whom he loves. I was just telling Namita that she was so wrong about reading the feelings of people close to her like Vivaan and Imli, so how come she knew exactly what feels such a complex man like Suraj. And he was almost a complete stranger back then when she assumed that he loves Imli. Her innocent mind makes her see the world how she wants it to be not how it is.

There are other things that I wanted to share with you but is really late. Perhaps I'll see you here tomorrow again.

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ipkrr

@ipkrr

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Etna_Dia

Priya, I have just written a long post for you, but the power went out for a couple of moments and missed all of it. Too bad, I was working on a gif to make a point but lost it. Now is too late to start again. I am tired, too. I feel so sorry.

Just to make it short. I am glad that you've read my thread and I agree with what you have said in all of your replays. I was just telling Esha the same thing. I don't defend Suraj and I even expect some public apologize, maybe even in front of the media. The thread was meant to present the current state of their relationship and to emphasize who Suraj is and where he comes from. Sometimes is difficult to write down exactly what you mean.

I don't defend Suraj or anyone based on their background. It can be an excuse for children, not for grown up men. But seeing someone evolving from a bad background into a better person makes for good story real or reel. And that is what I have expected from Suraj, a beautiful story.

Coming back to our prediction, my heart skipped a beat when I read that maybe we are right after all. I haven't watched the episode, too busy with the replies.
As I was trying to explain in my post, if she can't understand who Suraj is and where he comes from, how can she understand such a personal thing about him, like whom he loves. I was just telling Namita that she was so wrong about reading the feelings of people close to her like Vivaan and Imli, so how come she knew exactly what feels such a complex man like Suraj. And he was almost a complete stranger back then when she assumed that he loves Imli. Her innocent mind makes her see the world how she wants it to be not how it is.

There are other things that I wanted to share with you but is really late. Perhaps I'll see you here tomorrow again.

i'm glad you responded back Claudia...i've been hanging around today...waiting for my turn for your response. Watch the episode and lets discuss what you made of it. Everyone perceives diff things based on their understanding of plot, script and background...and i wanted your take on today's episode.

I felt today was all about Chakor as a woman...her feelings...her insecurities and in fact this is what Suraj needed to see...to let down his guard. It should have told him - she was human too - with feelings. I'm half glad CVS brought out Chakor's take on Suraj's feelings for Imli...because at that time...it bothered me that she could be indifferent to it. Even tho she did not care for Suraj then...having the man you love and your unwanted husband both run after your sister should have been damn hard...and the CVs never addressed it aking Chakor look like a mahaan and unrelattable.

By addressing it now - they have shown she is human ... just holds her feelings to herself.

I kind of am also upset - that Suraj got this glimpse into the situation before he apologized and properly grovelled for all he's done.

For some reason after today's episode - when I was just about to give up...I had a renewed sense of Suraj not really in love with Imli...but there being a bigger story behind this...maybe his reactions...the fact that other than his confession - nothing else seemed to point to it..he has always seemed shifty with it to me. Sleep now ...but do circle back to me with your take after watching the epsiode.

Also so glad you are back🤗

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SukiDakanya

@SukiDakanya

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

Just wanted to add my two cents in.

They have only started seeing each other as human beings with dreams hopes and fears. To Suraj Chakor was completely a white colour. Some one he needed to get out of the way to his path for his father's love and recognition.

To Chakor, Suraj is this Black colour with. He is someone who is has despicable, amoral, not a human, unkind evil character. Here also he comes second to her, it's KN who is the larger villian who dominates the evilness in her life.

When you question Suraj's character and his loyalty to his father, or to ragini or to his family. He is a creature that responds like this - if you do good to me and don't block my path, I will not bother you, I will jump in for you especially if you are family.

I have started seeing the show only from Sept, and seeing only the pre marriage/ switch track, and the Imli se pyar ka eshaas track. But reading in the forum, I think his faith in his father crumbled after Vivaan was given access to all the wealth, which sends him and his father to jail. It Further crumbles, when his father stops being HIS father and starts becoming KN in his mind, when an idea, of what if I was the supreme ruler of Azaadgunj takes root in his mind... it's actually quite common for sons to rebel against their father.

He is cunning enough to think about self preservation so he takes it a step further by giving evidence and sending a killer against his father. He thinks and tells alot of things during the marriage swap, KN's funeral and then to Chakor's horrifed face that point to him. We also have a thread saying abi ki baar Suraj ki Sarkar...😃

Ragini, he doesnt bother with her till she stops him from building something with free bandhua labourers.

His most beloved person is his mummy. No evidence needs to be said. He loves her enough, but he knows that she was placing equal value to her "MP Sahab." Even after he tossed her out of the haveli, she is still wearing her magalsutra. Teju somewhereI feel is torn between love for her son and loyalty to her husband...

I think his loyalty in the person who places him 1st in their world is what will start seeing as his love story will start coming out. There is an exceeding desire to be validated as the centre of someone's world so badly that came out as his need for his father's approval and love.

The second clip you showed where Suraj desperately tries to make Chakor see why he hated her... that his feelings is in the past, is important. He doesnt not appologise for them but asks her for empathy.

This open dialogue where Chakor is vulnerable to his barbs of Vivaan not loving her and him being a pakundi insaan is important. This is how they will stop seeing each other as abstract colours and rather as a human being.

And the idea that Suraj is a Pakandi insaan, is the same way that Chakor is a Jagth Matha. It is not meant to be derogatory but a reflection of their personalities. Can you see him respond to janu/sweetie/luv/ honey/etc... For the record, Suraj being sweet is nice, but too sweet and you have cavities 🤢

Suraj needs to be the raw, ruthless person who is capable of taking a life, cutting someone's tongue and lassoing people because he is never a hero for the greater good as Chakor is. He is the kind who would kill for you.. and live for you... because he is Suraj and he loves his life too much to die.

The other thing I like about him is he fights for the people on "HIS" side. KN was on his side, so was Ragini... for sometime only Mummy was on "HIS" side, but after Chakor saves his life especially after the diwali dhamaka, he is on her side.

He gives a vague after thought to the others...

The way I see so far he is giving as good as he gets... so please dont mind if I have a contrary opinion to what you mentioned.

Kay if you read this 🤗

Edited by SukiDakanya - 8 years ago

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parboni

@parboni

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Posted: 8 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: _Namita_

Priya, presumptuous is exactly what I felt when Chakor bared her soul today!!! I literally felt ashamed that we as women didn't think of the things Chakor said.

After what you are all saying,gotta catch the episode ASAP!

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Etna_Dia

@Etna_Dia

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Posted: 8 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: ipkrr
i'm glad you responded back Claudia...i've been hanging around today...waiting for my turn for your response. Watch the episode and lets discuss what you made of it. Everyone perceives diff things based on their understanding of plot, script and background...and i wanted your take on today's episode.
I felt today was all about Chakor as a woman...her feelings...her insecurities and in fact this is what Suraj needed to see...to let down his guard. It should have told him - she was human too - with feelings. I'm half glad CVS brought out Chakor's take on Suraj's feelings for Imli...because at that time...it bothered me that she could be indifferent to it. Even tho she did not care for Suraj then...having the man you love and your unwanted husband both run after your sister should have been damn hard...and the CVs never addressed it aking Chakor look like a mahaan and unrelattable.
By addressing it now - they have shown she is human ... just holds her feelings to herself.
I kind of am also upset - that Suraj got this glimpse into the situation before he apologized and properly grovelled for all he's done.
For some reason after today's episode - when I was just about to give up...I had a renewed sense of Suraj not really in love with Imli...but there being a bigger story behind this...maybe his reactions...the fact that other than his confession - nothing else seemed to point to it..he has always seemed shifty with it to me. Sleep now ...but do circle back to me with your take after watching the epsiode.
Also so glad you are back🤗

Priya, I've watched the episode. What more can I say? You've said it all so perfectly.

The fact that Chakor let it out how much hurt she was to see her husband and the man she loves running after her sister made her look so human, so vulnerable and also strong because she had the power to overcome her jealousy and envy and still feel happy for Vivaan and Imli. Now she is real. All human beings feel emotions like anger, jealousy, envy. The difference is who can keep them in control and who can't. Imli can't, for example.

The surprising element was when she revealed that she was also upset to see Suraj confessing his love for Imli. So much nagging to accept his love for Imli and when it happened, deep inside, she didn't like it. I think no woman in this world would like to see her husband (fake or real) to run behind another woman. Can't explain why, maybe it has to do with the vanity of having the status of a married woman. Don't know, but I liked Chakor for showing so much vulnerability and questioning about what's so special about Imli. The unwanted husband to be in love with your sister must have hurt her ego to some extend but too also have your ex-boyfriend in love with her must have been very painful.

Don't worry about the apologizes. They will do it properly. I've seen many shows, most of all with protagonists hurting each other very deeply but in the end they have asked forgiveness for each and every mean act they did. I am sure that is going to be like a whole episode full of apologizes with tears and everything.

But I feel there is going to be more to this love story, it will not just go smoothly.

I am sure Suraj will face full rejection and suffer a lot before they will unite. If our assumption turns out to be true, then God protect him! Because there is now way that Chakor will spare him if he played such a prank on her about being in love and heartbroken, regardless of his reasons! And even if we are not right, I still think he will go through a lot of suffering to overcome what he has done because the CV made it clear that Chakor does feel awkward for the whole Imli affair.

Aslo, Chakor and Suraj made more confident than ever that Imli thing will be cleared up. It was evident from Chakor's outburst that this character needs someone in her life to love her unconditionally, to be truthful to her and to see her as his first choice only. Chakor was always pushed here and there by her parents in order to save one or another member of the family. She needs to count on someone who has not exchanged her and will not exchange her for anyone and anything in this world. That's why I am almost sure the Imli and the consummation will be erased. She needs to know that she was not his second option because Imli rejected him but was always his one and first choice. It is almost vital for her to be loved like this only.

As for Suraj, I think he almost said it when he told her that some boys like girls like her. Which boys? He was definitely speaking about him, all smiling and blushing.

And four times Chakor went into romantic mood asking him if she can tell him something and four times Suraj felt into the trap, shying away, getting emotional, thinking that she would confess something, that she may like him. She almost said it the last time. I think she likes him, not love yet, this is far away. But she will not admit, not even to herself, in her consciousness state, that she likes him.

Edited by Etna_Dia - 8 years ago

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Etna_Dia

@Etna_Dia

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Posted: 8 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: SukiDakanya

Just wanted to add my two cents in.
They have only started seeing each other as human beings with dreams hopes and fears. To Suraj Chakor was completely a white colour. Some one he needed to get out of the way to his path for his father's love and recognition.

To Chakor, Suraj is this Black colour with. He is someone who is has despicable, amoral, not a human, unkind evil character. Here also he comes second to her, it's KN who is the larger villian who dominates the evilness in her life.

When you question Suraj's character and his loyalty to his father, or to ragini or to his family. He is a creature that responds like this - if you do good to me and don't block my path, I will not bother you, I will jump in for you especially if you are family.

I have started seeing the show only from Sept, and seeing only the pre marriage/ switch track, and the Imli se pyar ka eshaas track. But reading in the forum, I think his faith in his father crumbled after Vivaan was given access to all the wealth, which sends him and his father to jail. It Further crumbles, when his father stops being HIS father and starts becoming KN in his mind, when an idea, of what if I was the supreme ruler of Azaadgunj takes root in his mind... it's actually quite common for sons to rebel against their father.

He is cunning enough to think about self preservation so he takes it a step further by giving evidence and sending a killer against his father. He thinks and tells alot of things during the marriage swap, KN's funeral and then to Chakor's horrifed face that point to him. We also have a thread saying abi ki baar Suraj ki Sarkar...😃

Ragini, he doesnt bother with her till she stops him from building something with free bandhua labourers.

His most beloved person is his mummy. No evidence needs to be said. He loves her enough, but he knows that she was placing equal value to her "MP Sahab." Even after he tossed her out of the haveli, she is still wearing her magalsutra. Teju somewhereI feel is torn between love for her son and loyalty to her husband...

I think his loyalty in the person who places him 1st in their world is what will start seeing as his love story will start coming out. There is an exceeding desire to be validated as the centre of someone's world so badly that came out as his need for his father's approval and love.

The second clip you showed where Suraj desperately tries to make Chakor see why he hated her... that his feelings is in the past, is important. He doesnt not appologise for them but asks her for empathy.

This open dialogue where Chakor is vulnerable to his barbs of Vivaan not loving her and him being a pakundi insaan is important. This is how they will stop seeing each other as abstract colours and rather as a human being.

And the idea that Suraj is a Pakandi insaan, is the same way that Chakor is a Jagth Matha. It is not meant to be derogatory but a reflection of their personalities. Can you see him respond to janu/sweetie/luv/ honey/etc... For the record, Suraj being sweet is nice, but too sweet and you have cavities 🤢

Suraj needs to be the raw, ruthless person who is capable of taking a life, cutting someone's tongue and lassoing people because he is never a hero for the greater good as Chakor is. He is the kind who would kill for you.. and live for you... because he is Suraj and he loves his life too much to die.

The other thing I like about him is he fights for the people on "HIS" side. KN was on his side, so was Ragini... for sometime only Mummy was on "HIS" side, but after Chakor saves his life especially after the diwali dhamaka, he is on her side.

He gives a vague after thought to the others...

The way I see so far he is giving as good as he gets... so please dont mind if I have a contrary opinion to what you mentioned.

Kay if you read this 🤗

Hi Kay 😊

I don't mind at all that you have a contrary opinion than mine, but I would like to clarify some thing based on the episodes pre-leap and pre-wedding:

- Suraj was not exactly the kid/man who lived after the principle "you do good to me, I'll do good to you" rather he was "you will be good to my parents, I'll be good to you", it was not about him, it was about his parents; he was selfless in his love for his parents, it didn't matter what he had to went through just to see his father being happy and successful; that was one quality that I've admired about him because it showed that he can love someone unconditional; imagine, if he could do so much for his parents what he can do for Chakor! that's why I've thought that his unselfish love for his parents was the promise of an unique and beautiful love story;

- he loved Ragni too there is no doubt in that and there is more to this story because it is not clear yet why he didn't allow Chakor to investigate what she was doing; maybe he knew it and he allowed her to do her job;

- there is more to his father story; yes it was true that he felt jealous when he saw KN trusting Vivaan, but more than jealous he was particularly worried that Vivaan will betray his father; he was not at all angry on his father when they've got arrested because he knew Vivaan tricked him; more, he promised his father that he will get both of them out of the jail only that the lawyer told him that he can free only him if he confesses against his dad; only after that we have the whole dram of rebelling against his father which it is most probably an act; these events happened in the two consecutive episodes, Suraj couldn't have changed his character so soon; besides he once said that he always keeps his promises, so if he promised his father that he will get him out of jail, I suppose he did kept his promise no matter how twisted the solution was.

But, let's wait and see what's going to happen next, as this cat and mouse game can't continue forever.

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Eatifi

@Eatifi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#28

👏👏👏,

AWESOME POST...SWEETIE...well done,mujhe toh lagta tha ke suraj babu ko mujhse zyaadah aur koi pyar nahi karta,but how beautifully and deeply u analysed the character,right from childhood to this current stage,i feeling proud of myself that i am a suraj fan...

but only a slight a contradictory point,we all know that be it childhood or adults,be they friends or foes,the too just know each other too well,their weaknesses,their strength,their deepest secrets,or feelings,the two were and are always into one another,[though these understandings are more on suraj's side],it just that,chakor really needs to connect well with suraj's emotions,,,,,,he is a very unexpressive person,so its true that one has to play very hard in order to understand him deeply and bind to him emotionally...

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Esha Singh

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Posted: 8 years ago

#29

You know I just cannot get over yesterday's episode...Chakor's emotional outburst really did something to me I guess. All this while when some of us were presuming that Chakor seems robotic, because nothing seem to make sense to her, then all this while this girl held her emotions, her pain, her disappointment inside and never showed it to the world until yesterday...

And this is the difference btwn Suraj and Chakor

Chakor rose above her pain, hurt , disappointment and rejection and can still be a more humane, not going around trying to destroy or hurt everything that comes in her path that doesn't fit there, whereas Suraj cannot deal with these things and becomes violent or hurtfull when things don't go as he wishes...I think in this case Suraj needs to grow up a little, he is not the only one who had / has to deal with pain and whatsoever in his life...

If he suffered as a kid, then Chakor equally or maybe more suffered as a child...

And if it's justified that Suraj is the way he is , then it's more than fair that it's justified for Chakor as well to be how she is...

And yes I am somewhat happy although I didn't like the timing much, that the CV's made it clear that Chakor feels akward about the whole Suraj-Imli issue, so maybe just maybe they will clear this mess up...and maybe you guys were right all along that Suraj was never in love with Imli

Chakor made it clear that she needs someone in her life who loves her for who she is with all her dreams and with all her flaws, someone who makes her his first priority and not someone who sees her as a second choice, becoz he got rejected the first time around and she's not good enough to be the first choice...so let's see if Suraj is that person or someone else...

And I think Suraj should go through rejection completely and suffer for what he has done so far and only then maybe he will understand what this is all about...

And yes even if Chakor likes Suraj, she will never admit it in a conscious state untill he does

Edited by eshasrk - 8 years ago

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nycgal

@nycgal

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Hi Claudia...I am Rajshree..I dont think we have interacted on the forum..I have read so many of ur posts and I absolutely enjoy reading your perspective on the characters...

I havent watched the show as long as many of you have so my perspective might be a bit off...(A lot of things have changed in the past few episodes but I still wanted to put my views acoss ).When I started following Udaan Suraj came off as an entitled, shrewd human being, Chakor as someone who is a very nice human being but is sometimes a know-it-all. I did go back n watch a few episodes to better understand the characters.

One thing which I noticed was Chakor had everything slotted into white n black as far as Suraj was concerned. There never was any grey area for him..She set the benchmark ( a little unfairly at times, I felt) impossibly high for him and he was bound to fail. I understand he was rather nasty at times.As you have pointed out, she could be rather robotic at times where he was concerned. I had felt that way too and had mentioned the same in many of my posts.Sometimes , I felt he was a means to an end ( though that has changed)

She wasnt as stringent with Imli n Vivaan .. Or maybe she was always a little more forgiving with them. I understand one is family and the other boyfriend ..But Chakor , as a person , treated everyone fairly..I thought she was more accepting of grey areas if it comes to Imli and Vivaan..She always had an explanation for why Imli or Vivaan did this or that .. Never for Suraj...For someone who thought of the greater good,I found that to be a little weird and a little inconsistent with her character..

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