Whose success is just luck? - Page 6

Originally posted by: shubh.shubh

SRK hands down

DEEWANA left by armaan kohli

BAAZIGAR left by salman khan

DARR left by Aamir khan

DDLJ left by saif

CHAK DE INDIA left by Salman khan

SWADES left by Amir khan

(and here I am not even talking about his unbearable over acting & hamming in a majority of his films, but pure luck of the films which made his career left by others, barring Swades)

Lagta hai meri yeh facts say bhari post kuch zyada hee pinch Kar gayi hai..

now I understand the famous old saying "suchh kadva hota hai". / truth is always bitter

😂

I would take successful as being A listers. I dont think luck has made anyone an A lister frankly. Yes all A listers are not great actors but they do have some factor which makes them worthy for the career graph they have had. Kat for instance as shit as her acting is, was a stunning face, and kudos to her being a firang still making Indian audiences relate to her. In the times where actresses used to say some shallow shit about each other she came across dignified and bechaari, an image she has maintained to date so people love her .

Alia very average looking but great acting chops to complement (mostly) and great PR. I think how you present yourself is important she, eventhough people think is an idiot but I think is super mart, she is creating an optimistic sweet positive person image. Like Sonam unintentionally presents herself as a bitch 😈

So basically I think everyone who is successful is either great at acting or good looking and the must is just making sure their public persona is excellent.

If anyone of these new kids are successful I would say luck because nor are they good looking and nor can they act and I doubt they will improve because they kinda live in a bubble. Their interview skills are shit like they open their mouth I wanna go and hit them 😭

On the other hand there are some who have not been successful and that I would maybe relate to just being unlucky or destiny. Like Sushmita , Mahima etc

SRK was patronized because he was a pliable newcomer compared to Aamir and Salman who were known to be difficult and accused of having attitude.

I have heard SRK was totally obedient to Chopras and never refused them or questioned them.

Unlike Aamir who had questioned Yash Chopra, asked for joint narration with Sunny and later also he accused Yash Chopra of being a liar. He was too outspoken for a newcomer.

SRK may act all witty or wisecrack in interviews or take digs at rivals but he has never dared to speak against powerful and bigger people.

Industry in India rewards not just talent but also silence, obedience and chaaplusi. Abhay Deol had spoken how hierarchical Indian industry is and how they want chamcha types, hate being questioned or critiqued.

SRK had pandered to ego of Chopras when no one else did. And he, being an outsider, had no choice except to massage egos of biggies and was too happy to get any work.

Aamir, Salman, Sanjay, Sunny etc had fought with media also. SRK never went against media despite his frustrations at media trying to link him to co stars. He rather befriended editors and journos.

He has not just made it due to talent but also due to great Indian expectation of being sycophant to powers that be. He was even ready to dance at weddings and private parties of rich and famous who later patronized him in return. Unlike other stars who would refuse to attend parties for a fee.

SRK had never stepped out of comfort zone once he struck gold with romantic films, NRI romances. And a man with average looks, weak voice and height, making it so far, doing same type of films, benefiting from lousy rivals and lack of good competition, is obviously lucky.

Though I would NEVER say SRK's success is JUST or ONLY due to luck. He has more to him than luck and he is indeed really good in romantic roles and has a charm onscreen.

He is not talentless plastic nor so useless that he does not even know any Indian language properly and still got work.

But yeah he did benefit due to his chaaplusi, media savvy ways, never disturbing powerful biggies in industry.

He is also smart enough to never speak on political or social issues unlike stupid Aamir who was openly bashing Modi or foolish Salman who defended Modi for 2002 riots.

He is lucky in sense that his rivals often lost their way or dug own grave too or took breaks leaving only him as a more watchable commercial A lister.

I would not say his success is just due to luck though.

Originally posted by: atominis

SRK was patronized because he was a pliable newcomer compared to Aamir and Salman who were known to be difficult and accused of having attitude.

I have heard SRK was totally obedient to Chopras and never refused them or questioned them.

Unlike Aamir who had questioned Yash Chopra, asked for joint narration with Sunny and later also he accused Yash Chopra of being a liar. He was too outspoken for a newcomer.

SRK may act all witty or wisecrack in interviews or take digs at rivals but he has never dared to speak against powerful and bigger people.

Industry in India rewards not just talent but also silence, obedience and chaaplusi. Abhay Deol had spoken how hierarchical Indian industry is and how they want chamcha types, hate being questioned or critiqued.

SRK had pandered to ego of Chopras when no one else did. And he, being an outsider, had no choice except to massage egos of biggies and was too happy to get any work.

Aamir, Salman, Sanjay, Sunny etc had fought with media also. SRK never went against media despite his frustrations at media trying to link him to co stars. He rather befriended editors and journos.

He has not just made it due to talent but also due to great Indian expectation of being sycophant to powers that be. He was even ready to dance at weddings and private parties of rich and famous who later patronized him in return. Unlike other stars who would refuse to attend parties for a fee.

SRK had never stepped out of comfort zone once he struck gold with romantic films, NRI romances. And a man with average looks, weak voice and height, making it so far, doing same type of films, benefiting from lousy rivals and lack of good competition, is obviously lucky.

Though I would NEVER say SRK's success is JUST or ONLY due to luck. He has more to him than luck and he is indeed really good in romantic roles and has a charm onscreen.

He is not talentless plastic nor so useless that he does not even know any Indian language properly and still got work.

But yeah he did benefit due to his chaaplusi, media savvy ways, never disturbing powerful biggies in industry.

He is also smart enough to never speak on political or social issues unlike stupid Aamir who was openly bashing Modi or foolish Salman who defended Modi for 2002 riots.

He is lucky in sense that his rivals often lost their way or dug own grave too or took breaks leaving only him as a more watchable commercial A lister.

I would not say his success is just due to luck though.

?? what is this history rewriting. 😆😆😆 SRK could’ve sucked up to the Chopras etc but you’re totally wrong about his behaviour in the 90s. He was accused by lot of journos of being an “angry Delhi boy/ “sakt launda”. 😆 He fought with a LOT of journos in the 90s & some have even said how scared they were of him. He was known for picking fights everywhere. The Chopras doted on SRK for many reasons, he had integrated himself well into their family. But it wasn’t only b/c he sucked up to them. 😆 Lot of actors did that, none had the relationship that SRK had. 😆 They clearly saw in him what everyone did/does. It was only in the 2000s that SRK calmed TF down & mellowed down… Or maybe not b/c we’ve the Kunder SlapGate & Wakhande Stadium debacle to show us that. 😆😆

Originally posted by: atominis

SRK was patronized because he was a pliable newcomer compared to Aamir and Salman who were known to be difficult and accused of having attitude.

I have heard SRK was totally obedient to Chopras and never refused them or questioned them.

Unlike Aamir who had questioned Yash Chopra, asked for joint narration with Sunny and later also he accused Yash Chopra of being a liar. He was too outspoken for a newcomer.

SRK may act all witty or wisecrack in interviews or take digs at rivals but he has never dared to speak against powerful and bigger people.

Industry in India rewards not just talent but also silence, obedience and chaaplusi. Abhay Deol had spoken how hierarchical Indian industry is and how they want chamcha types, hate being questioned or critiqued.

SRK had pandered to ego of Chopras when no one else did. And he, being an outsider, had no choice except to massage egos of biggies and was too happy to get any work.

Aamir, Salman, Sanjay, Sunny etc had fought with media also. SRK never went against media despite his frustrations at media trying to link him to co stars. He rather befriended editors and journos.

He has not just made it due to talent but also due to great Indian expectation of being sycophant to powers that be. He was even ready to dance at weddings and private parties of rich and famous who later patronized him in return. Unlike other stars who would refuse to attend parties for a fee.

SRK had never stepped out of comfort zone once he struck gold with romantic films, NRI romances. And a man with average looks, weak voice and height, making it so far, doing same type of films, benefiting from lousy rivals and lack of good competition, is obviously lucky.

Though I would NEVER say SRK's success is JUST or ONLY due to luck. He has more to him than luck and he is indeed really good in romantic roles and has a charm onscreen.

He is not talentless plastic nor so useless that he does not even know any Indian language properly and still got work.

But yeah he did benefit due to his chaaplusi, media savvy ways, never disturbing powerful biggies in industry.

He is also smart enough to never speak on political or social issues unlike stupid Aamir who was openly bashing Modi or foolish Salman who defended Modi for 2002 riots.

He is lucky in sense that his rivals often lost their way or dug own grave too or took breaks leaving only him as a more watchable commercial A lister.

I would not say his success is just due to luck though.

Absolutely

I still remember SRK has not hiked his price for a very long time so that producers will remain take him as being the successful yet the one in their budget...

heroes of his stature were paid much higher it he intentionally planned to choose to be a low key in his initial 4 or 5 years to capitalize over this

SRK was always more media friendly compared to other stars. He is still the ONLY one to arrange biscuits, water and tea for mediapersons outside his home and the only one to attend parties of editors, media barons, agree to appear at any media summit such as India today or NDTV and also invite editors to his own home and parties.

In 90s when a group of stars like AB sr, Anupam, Mithun, Sanjay, Salman, Aamir etc had banned media and spoken against magazines, SRK was only one who did not join group of stars in banning media.

SRK has never done as much khit pit or questioning with Chopras or other makers as say Aamir does.

He may have had own issues of being brash or speaking too much but he never fought with biggies. That Dilli ka sakhta launda image attitude was never shown to Yash Chopra for sure or to Subhash Ghai.

Salman once assaulted Ghai. Have you ever heard of SRK doing same to Ghai type big shot maker?

SRK fought with small fish or rivals but never the biggies.

And even now SRK has not spoken against media nor burnt bridges with them despite coverage they ran against his son.

Originally posted by: atominis

SRK was always more media friendly compared to other stars. He is still the ONLY one to arrange biscuits, water and tea for mediapersons outside his home and the only one to attend parties of editors, media barons, agree to appear at any media summit such as India today or NDTV and also invite editors to his own home and parties.

In 90s when a group of stars like AB sr, Anupam, Mithun, Sanjay, Salman, Aamir etc had banned media and spoken against magazines, SRK was only one who did not join group of stars in banning media.

SRK has never done as much khit pit or questioning with Chopras or other makers as say Aamir does.

He may have had own issues of being brash or speaking too much but he never fought with biggies. That Dilli ka sakhta launda image attitude was never shown to Yash Chopra for sure or to Subhash Ghai.

Salman once assaulted Ghai. Have you ever heard of SRK doing same to Ghai type big shot maker?

SRK fought with small fish or rivals but never the biggies.

And even now SRK has not spoken against media nor burnt bridges with them despite coverage they ran against his son.

Bringing SALMAN into any conversation is just 🤣🤣 No, SRK wouldn’t ever “assault” anyone b/c he isn’t a literal psychopath.

Arranging food & water for media people is just a given. It’s just sheer decency, so sorry SRK displays basic human decency. 😆🤪 I don’t even know what to say b/c none of it makes sense to me but pls believe whatever you like.

Other stars do not even do that.

That is my point.

Anyway what does this have to do with luck?

Or the topic at hand?

SRK is lucky his rivals are mentally unstable so he usually rose above competition when others were sitting at home taking breaks or lost projects due to fighting with media or directors.

Or are you trying to say SRK is not as good behaved as I wrote?

I always thought SRK had reputation of being better behaved compared to Aamir and Salman, his closest rivals.

Having rivals who have own weaknesses is also a form of luck. The other person seems a better fit and gets better work and more favourable media coverage too.

Almost everything that would make a person succeed in Bollywood can be called luck - great beauty, great charm, being born into a rich, well connected family. Also luck might give one a break, a foot in the door but luck alone does not make one successful ( and definitely not consistently successful like Srk, Katrina). Even with nepotism, for every Salman Khan, we have Sohail and Arbaz Khan as well 😃.

I also don't believe u need great acting skills or great looks to become a superstar, otherwise we would have a very different set of superstars. Srk might be average looking (this forum's opinion, not mine) but he is super charming and charismatic - even before debuting in Bollywood he was already catching people's attention through his stint on tv. I still remember visiting my cousin's hostel couple of days before Veer Zaara was releasing and all the girls were excitedly talking about how they loved Srk in the trailer - that's definitely not luck. Katrina is extremely beautiful and very likeable, a great dancer as well - and despite her limited acting skills, I (and many others) enjoy watching her on big screen.

I believe all the A listers are that successful because there are many many people willing to pay to watch them - and that includes crude but very spontaneous comedy of Govinda or even Alia's success more recently. Alia is very cute and pretty, though not gorgeous and is a very good actor. We had Sonam, Jhanvi etc in author backed roles as well - it didn't work for them, right? I also find it laughable when people say that Aamir is successful only due to his script sense - when did Indian public start watching a movie due to its script? He didn't get Ayushman Khurana type of average success. In fact, he has broken opening records so many times including his much ridiculed Thugs of Hindustan.

Concluding my long essay, I don't think anyone super successful is so just by being lucky

Originally posted by: atominis

SRK was always more media friendly compared to other stars. He is still the ONLY one to arrange biscuits, water and tea for mediapersons outside his home and the only one to attend parties of editors, media barons, agree to appear at any media summit such as India today or NDTV and also invite editors to his own home and parties.

In 90s when a group of stars like AB sr, Anupam, Mithun, Sanjay, Salman, Aamir etc had banned media and spoken against magazines, SRK was only one who did not join group of stars in banning media.

SRK has never done as much khit pit or questioning with Chopras or other makers as say Aamir does.

He may have had own issues of being brash or speaking too much but he never fought with biggies. That Dilli ka sakhta launda image attitude was never shown to Yash Chopra for sure or to Subhash Ghai.

Salman once assaulted Ghai. Have you ever heard of SRK doing same to Ghai type big shot maker?

SRK fought with small fish or rivals but never the biggies.

And even now SRK has not spoken against media nor burnt bridges with them despite coverage they ran against his son.

He has not just made it due to talent but also due to great Indian expectation of being sycophant to powers that be. He was even ready to dance at weddings and private parties of rich and famous who later patronized him in return. Unlike other stars who would refuse to attend parties for a fee.

But yeah he did benefit due to his chaaplusi, media savvy ways, never disturbing powerful biggies in industry.

He is also smart enough to never speak on political or social issues unlike stupid Aamir who was openly bashing Modi or foolish Salman who defended Modi for 2002 riots.

Until now, I was like okay but now, you are talking like those bitter kpop stans on Twitter who credits someone's success to anything but that person's own hard work just because they don't like that person & the fact they are more successful than whoever they like.

Bold - so, being humble & treating media, people who aren't at per with your status is earning favours? So that they treat you well in return? Your logic has many logic but this is like the weirdest of all because apparently, a person can't be nice to another unless they are doing it to get something in return. Is it? If being nice to someone is doing chaplusi then God bless you.

No wonder we have fans of abusers, murderers in today's era who defends them like their own life depends on it.

2nd bold - & that was the lowest of all. But if I take your words seriously about SRK does chaplusi of media people to be in their good books, the same media who harassed him & his family L'R'C during Aryan scandal, why would they do it? Don't you think you are contradicting your own statements?

The man went through so much shit. He ignored media, didn't let them near him. If maintaining dignity & not engaging into mud slinging is being a coward then I respect him even more now.

Also, so funny, you are giving example of nepo babies abusing directors, going against media, the same babies the forum hates in every 1 business day because they are privileged & taking opportunities away from the others.

It's absolutely not SRK's problem if anyone wants to behave either like a criminal or wannabe intellectual. So, crediting his kindness or bumblebees to others rudeness, I don't know what you are trying to prove but it's definitely not making ANY sense.

In the end, it's all about convenience. How do you all stay so cool with so much hatred? In the name of discussion, it's just blunt hate throwing at those you all hate & it's not even amusing.