Jaya bachchan says Hyderabad rape accused should be lynched. - Page 4

Originally posted by: GrumpyTheCat

I don’t condone lynching. It’s not the solution nor a better punishment. These are emotional reactions. 

https://twitter.com/Avnijesh/status/1201390958463504384?s=20

Articles like these on the other hand. 😑

The writer should be thrown out. Your Son should have remember about you before Tearing an innocent soul apart n then burning her soul n then her body just because he had to fulfil his DESIRES. IF HE DIDN'T CARE FOR HIS MOTHER WHY SHOULD WE?  The Law can provide his mother some ashram for free living and fooding but the son DESERVES NOT AN OUNCE OF SYMPATHY. 

If he was such a responsible son, he couldn't do what he did. Shitty articles with shi* sympathy gaining strategy. 

Originally posted by: GrumpyTheCat

I don’t condone lynching. It’s not the solution nor a better punishment. These are emotional reactions. 

https://twitter.com/Avnijesh/status/1201390958463504384?s=20

Articles like these on the other hand. 😑

I don’t think the article is sympathetic to the accused at all. It makes it sound like his parents barely knew him anymore he spent so little time with them and that he kept much of his salary for himself. It does raise the plight of his parents who depended on him and are scared and desperate. I’m sure some people will quickly decide they are to blame for how he turned out and deserve hell and maybe they are. But maybe they are not. Maybe he was an average guy before he went to the city and fell in with bad men and his parents are absolutely blameless. No one knows for sure so I don’t think it’s a crime to write or read this article. 

Edit: For anyone that only reads the tweet, because it is misleading: what Mohamed told his mother was that he had accidentally hit and killed a girl on a bike while driving his lorry and that is what she “didn’t have the heart to be angry” at him for. He did NOT tell her what the police say really happened. 

Originally posted by: FreeTheNipple

There is no evidence it is successful in Arabic countries, Saudi Arabia has no penal code nor any definition of rape. It runs on the whims and fancies of religious nutjobs. 

This is a verdict(*) from the infamous Qatif rape case: 

A Saudi Sharia court sentenced the perpetrators to varying sentences involving 80 to 1,000 lashes and imprisonment up to ten years for four of them. The court also sentenced the two victims to six months in prison and 90 lashes each for "being alone with a man who is not a relative" in a parked car. The appeals court doubled the victims' sentences in late 2007 as punishment for the heavy media coverage of the event in the international press regarding the treatment of women in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Saudi judicial practices.

Source: wiki 

Successful doesn't mean  total crime free. I have heard that Arabic women walk roads alone even at 1 am or after mid night, no one looking at them or harassing them. This is something you see there in general. Still you never know such crimes can happen even in such places but the crime rate is definitely low there for such things because of tougher laws. Women in such countries are not that much at liberty as in other Asian countries. In a country like Saudi Arabia, they can execute a woman for wearing short clothes. But here we are taking about a crime that happened to a Vet doctor burnt alive or charred to death. In general Arabic countries are know for tougher laws against such crimes.

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

That is not a drawback in the judiciary system. It is a fact that people confessed to crimes they haven't committed either out of fear of being tortured in the police station or not being able to bear the torture anymore. Poor people also can't afford lawyers to defend themselves so they also have no hope to ever being rescued from the torture so they end up accepting the charges. So in a court of law taking this into consideration is fair and right to do. Police may not be stupid but they are humans who can make errors. They do pick up people based on suspicion and question them sometimes even beat them up. 

This way the stories will never end and we can continue to judge people, things  the way we want.

The news we are reading from various sources, the culprits don't seem to be innocent people. Lawyers are denying to extend legal service to them as against Nirbhaya case. When asked what punishment to give to the accused, Nirbhaya said to burn them live. She experienced it that was why said so. 

Originally posted by: Tippy-top

Successful doesn't mean  total crime free. I have heard that Arabic women walk roads alone even at 1 am or after mid night, no one looking at them or harassing them. This is something you see there in general. Still you never know such crimes can happen even in such places but the crime rate is definitely low there for such things because of tougher laws. Women in such countries are not that much at liberty as in other Asian countries. In a country like Saudi Arabia, they can execute a woman for wearing short clothes. But here we are taking about a crime that happened to a Vet doctor burnt alive or charred to death. In general Arabic countries are know for tougher laws against such crimes.

What crime rate when there is no definition of crime? And what tougher laws are you talking about? I just gave you an example where the victim was punished more than one of the convicts. If tougher laws correlate with or cause low crime rate, then you might make some case for your point.

Originally posted by: Tippy-top

Successful doesn't mean  total crime free. I have heard that Arabic women walk roads alone even at 1 am or after mid night, no one looking at them or harassing them. This is something you see there in general. Still you never know such crimes can happen even in such places but the crime rate is definitely low there for such things because of tougher laws. Women in such countries are not that much at liberty as in other Asian countries. In a country like Saudi Arabia, they can execute a woman for wearing short clothes. But here we are taking about a crime that happened to a Vet doctor burnt alive or charred to death. In general Arabic countries are know for tougher laws against such crimes.

I have walked home from the bars at 2 AM without anyone harassing me. And I didn't have to wear a hijab or worry about modesty. I live in a middle-sized college town in the United States. 

There are no draconian laws about rape here. Do rapes and sexual assaults occur? Yes. It is impossible to eliminate crime. But do women feel safe? Mostly. There are also free services like safe walk available. 

You don't need cruelty to minimize rape. You need sex ed. You need consent education. You need to stop making sex taboo and allow healthy expressions of sexuality. You need empathetic law enforcement. You need a culture that holds rapists accountable. 

Why would you want to emulate totalitarian nations like Saudi Arabia. They lynch women for showing a bit of skin too. They punish rapists ONLY and ONLY IF it is PROVEN that the woman did not provoke a man. Everything else gets dismissed as a crime committed by women to seduce men. 

Did people even read the news about Priyanka Reddy? Emotional reaction is better than insensitive reaction.

And you are talking about sex education? Even if it is implemented then it will take years for society to change. Some people never change no matter how much sex education they get.

Who stopped those monsters from getting girlfriends. No one. Why did they rape and murder an innocent girl? They deserve death. That's what the girl would have wanted if she was alive.

Unfortunately she is not here to tell us what punishment she would have liked for them. So let this case be lost among many other rape & murder cases. That's what they deserve right?

Originally posted by: KrishnaKeshava

Did people even read the news about Priyanka Reddy? Emotional reaction is better than insensitive reaction.

And you are talking about sex education? Even if it is implemented then it will take years for society to change. Some people never change no matter how much sex education they get.

Who stopped those monsters from getting girlfriends. No one. Why did they rape and murder an innocent girl? They deserve death. That's what the girl would have wanted if she was alive.

India does allow the death sentence for heinous crimes. So who is saying rapists must not be sentenced to death? 

Lynching is different from the death sentence. Lynching is letting mobs seek justice without due process. Hundreds of innocent black men were lynched as rapists for having consensual relations with white women during the Jim Crow era. Do you really want India to become a place where that is how justice is carried out?

The fact is rapists kill their victims in order to silence them. 

While there is a hue and cry when someone is killed, the fact is that every day hundreds of women are raped and sexually assaulted by friends, boyfriends, husbands because of a lack of consent education. Women are raped, killed, maimed by acid for refusing male advances because men are raised to believe women owe them something. 

It will take years, maybe even a century or to change how society perceives women. But I am sorry, lasting change towards a future where women are safe is far more important than cursory gestures. Bandaids don't fix bullet holes. 

Originally posted by: KrishnaKeshava

Did people even read the news about Priyanka Reddy? Emotional reaction is better than insensitive reaction.

And you are talking about sex education? Even if it is implemented then it will take years for society to change. Some people never change no matter how much sex education they get.

Who stopped those monsters from getting girlfriends. No one. Why did they rape and murder an innocent girl? They deserve death. That's what the girl would have wanted if she was alive.

Unfortunately she is not here to tell us what punishment she would have liked for them. So let this case be lost among many other rape & murder cases. That's what they deserve right?

Doesn't matter what the victim would have wanted. No civilized state will let the public/vicitim decide the punishment for criminals. That makes no sense. Capital punishment is already permitted  in India despite there being no evidence it works as a deterrent anymore than life imprisonment. See the Nirbhaya rapists, convicted and sentenced to death but they are still alive? Why? Because death penalties allow plenty of review and mercy petitions. I am not even against capital punishment from ethical POV and won't mind if he is sentenced to death. But they are ineffective and inefficient. I am against the crazy idea that people think implementing barbaric punishments will somehow reduce the crime rate and is a good and practical idea.

Originally posted by: Tippy-top

All accused have confessed to their crimes.

Don't be so naïve. It could also have been under duress. Police was under tremendous pressure to crack the case, so they could easily frame an innocent person if they wanted to.

Which is why they should be given ample time and opportunity to prove their innocence. Because punishing without following due processes might increase the risk of punishing an innocent, therefore every single step has to be followed to clearly establish that no innocent pays for the crime of some other actual criminal. 

Look at that Ayesha Meera case. No actual rapist was caught. They just jailed an innocent and kept him in jail for ten years because the media coverage was so widespread in that case.

The hot takes of some of these so called educated folks is disturbing to say the least. These people should reflect on what they're saying and think before they spout some rubbish.