Raazi discussion: Sehmat a tragic hero or anti-hero? SPOILER ALERT

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Japrilforever

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: DevilsKick
Film is based on Intel which Sehmat gave to Indian Intelligence, based on which they got to know about THE GHAZI ATTACK, but I have watched THE GHAZI ATTACK, it was Naval Submarine S21 which destroyed PNS Ghazi & thwarts its mission of destroying INS Vikrant. How was SEHMAT's Intel helped anything in any operation?

The info that PNS ghazi was about to destroy INS Vikrant was passed on to the Navy by Sehmat through RAW.

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Arwen11

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Honestly, i have a hard time believing that a army man knew Navy's plans..
their concern would be their own brigades and units and the orders the higher ups were giving for them...
And wasnt there some sort of an accident on PNS Ghazi, that destroyed it? I read something about it a while back...
Anyway, i doubt Indian navy was so clueless that they didn't have some idea of where PNS Ghazi would be or it's likely target. They have drills and make preparations for all sort of scenarios

Which just goes to show, how futile it all was. poor sehmat..
i just feel sorry for the individuals who end up payingn the price... the greater good isn't much solace when your suffering is so personal and life
Long.

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Arwen11

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Posted: 7 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: U_R_MY_BITCH
yes reminds me of the dialogue, ganda hai par dhandha hai.

Plus had Sehmat not taken those risks and done the necessary evil of killing Adbul and Mehboob , who knows what would have happen in 1971, had they destroyed or taken over INS Vikrant, it would have been a disaster.

The outcome of that war would have been the same. Pakistan never stood a chance there. How can 100 people do something when 10,000 people are standing against them?

Look at Russia or America in Afghanistan or Iran... And they weren't alone in their wars.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

#14

This discussion question is what makes "Raazi" a notable film of its genre. There is a tendency of most film narratives to have protagonists and antagonists. The spy or war veteran on one side is portrayed as the hero while people on the other side are shown in a negative light.

Raazi is a big departure from that cliche in which it doesn't establish a good side and an evil side. It shows two sides which are good, patriotic, and heroic in their own approach.

It shows the grim realities of war. War is never really a hero crushing a villain. It almost always is ordinary people having their lives ground up and shattered by political machinations.

Even if you take the case of WWII of Allied forces against the Nazi/Fascist Axis, many Axis soldiers were just young men serving their country. Many did not subscribe to the genocidal views Hitler held. Even if they politically aligned with Hitler, they had no comprehension of the total gravity of their views. That is why Cabaret's opening with the song "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" is bone chilling because of the beautiful innocence wearing the Nazi outfit.

But this makes me raise the second question - Is serving your country and being patriotic always good? The film Valkyrie asks this question. Claus Von Stauffenberg has a deep sense of loyalty to Germany and serves for a while with unquestioning patriotism. But he eventually concludes "In serving my country I have betrayed my conscience" and commits high treason.

There is that saying "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." It is often attributed to Thomas Jefferson but no one really knows who first said it. I don't know about India, but in the United States this is principle is highly emphasized in the civil services. You swear an oath to the United States and not to the party in power or the president.

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Raazi is like a sequel to Ghazi. The intel Sehmat gained warns us of the intentions of Ghazi. However, if you notice in the movie the Indian navy was unwilling to listen to a rookie spy. That is why INS Rajput was dispatched on a recon mission that turned into a naval engagement.

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The sinking of Ghazi was critical in the war of 1971. The 1971 war lasted only 13 days and is one of the shortest recorded in history. Had PNS Ghazi succeeded in attacking INS Vikrant and even causing minor damage, it would have had disastrous effects for India. India's strategy relied heavily on airforce and damage to its flagship aircraft carrier would have had a negative impact. India would have been forced to change strategy and provide more ground support troops than anticipated. So while India would have eventually won the war - the sinking of Ghazi saved thousands of lives, shortened the war and minimized the financial toll on both sides as well.

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return_to_hades

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Posted: 7 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Arwen.
How can 100 people do something when 10,000 people are standing against them?

100? Not a chance. But 300, that's another story.

Btw, small forces can do a lot of damage depending on strategy. Alexander the Great's army was significantly smaller than most places he conquered. Or Simo Hayha who is often credited with single-handedly preventing the Red Army from taking Finland.

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-Abhiya-

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Posted: 7 years ago

#16

Though I love my country and I am too patriotic but at one point when Iqbal died I was like too hell with patriotism

Iqbal and Sehmat were such a happy couple they didn't deserve this

And these are the known ones there are lacs and crores of people who die bcoz if wars hunger for power etc etc

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-raVen-

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Posted: 7 years ago

#17

There was one thing though, you will root for her character to not get caught and accomplish her mission even when she was killing those two innocent people .

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Fantasia.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#18

Nice topic .

For me, More than patriotism, that 20 year old girl was obeying her parents. A normal 20 year olds life does revolve around his/her parents .. thats the age where u havent really explored urself and still are there in their shadow .. sehmat was that .. she didn't feel patriotism, she was made to learn patriotism .

For me Sehmat was cold and ruthless, she felt broken after commiting those crimes but not for a moment did she flinch before commiting them .. she did was she had to do .. there was never a faltering moment .. never a hesitation .. yes after she had done that she realized what thier intensity was .. Her escape by making that kid a hostage was something a very sharp calculative person can plan .. despite all her weak moments .. she ALWAYS acted on, "watn k agey kuch nahi " .. not even herself ..

Sehmat was a hardworker and until she was in it .. she gave her best .. and when she couldnt, she stepped back ..

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Zennia

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Posted: 7 years ago

#19

She killed 2 people and was responsible for the death of two more, So to me she clearly isn't a protagonist. Had these people died for any other reason than Sehmat getting caught due to her own mistake,
I might have felt bad for her during the climax. Moreover, I am not sure, if Sehmat ever fell in love with her sasural. I could tell those people liked her, but Sehmat was quite unreadable to me.