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I know what you are trying to say and I totally understand about Katherine. But blaming Elena for their issues is unfair. She is not responsible for their relationship. And the truth is no one can rip them apart because when it comes down to it they will die for each other.Originally posted by: salvatore-nina
I feel sorry for Stefan and Damon because being that each is the only family the other has, their fight over a girl has ripped them apart. Katharine ruined things between them and Elena now ruined things between them. I don't see their relationship getting better. Damon has no friend to turn to because Alaric's gone and there's no one else who understands him who can help in this dilemma. Stefan, although I do feel bad with what Elena did, has Caroline who is a sweetheart. Delena can be endgame for all that matters, but I don't want to see Elena going back on Damon. She's chosen him and that should be final. I agree that falling for both brothers doesn't make her like Katherine. Katherine had bad intentions and played them both for her own fun. Elena isn't like that but her indecisiveness regarding whom she truly loves just angered me. I mean come on, maybe she loves them both, but didn't she know in her heart whom she loved more? Stefan or Damon? She can't love them both equally and whomever she loves more is the one she should be with. If it's Damon (because who knows the writers may just make Stelena the endgame) then we can assume that even if their's trouble in their relationship, she won't go back to Stefan because she knows Damon is the final deal for her. If it does happen to be Stefan later and he's the final choice, then no one can save Elena from the brickbats I'll throw at her 😆.
Originally posted by: rainfire
I really wasnt going to reply back today because I am just so sad about the horrible tragedy that happened in Connecticut today. But I think I need something to distract me right now and what can be better than talking about fictional character.
1) @ Blue = when you choose your "soulmate", your "epic love", you dont say "I dont know about forever but for now this is what I want". It doesn make Elena selfish, it makes her human. This is the girl who has lost every single one of her family member in less than a year. I cant imagine how painful and horrible that kind of loss is and how it changes you. Stefan came into her life when she was struggling with this great loss and helped her cope with it. In season 3 when Caroline was forcing Elena to accept that she has feelings for Damon her responce was "what kind of person would it make her if she admits for even one sec that she has feelings for him" (her boyfriend's brother) She feels guilty that she is betraying that person who helped her. Love that comes from guilt and gratitude does not last. (watch the 3x22 again and listen to what she told matt)2) @ red = She held on to Stefan because he was always there for her so how could she let go? But she trusted Damon more than Stefan. When it came down to choosing between looking for Stefan and keeping Damon safe, she chose Damon. And that right there says everything. Elena herself said that when Stefan comes back it will be for Damon, not for Elena which is what happened. And honestly if Damon hadn slept with Rebekah, Elena would have never gone back to Stefan.3) @ green = I dont know how you know Elena feels that way when Elena herself doesn know how she feels. As far as the trusting and depending part is concerned that bridge was burned when Stefan terrorised Elena in the same exact place where her parents died (and no he was not under compulsion that that point) and then almost made E lose her brother(only family member she has left) when he tried to make into a hunter. Ofcourse you cant define love but this is not a marriage with kids or anything like that. This is a 18 year old girl who hasn experienced anything in her life except loss. I think she needs some passionate, wild romance in her life. She needs to live, laugh, dance before she picks "safety and stability"4) @ pink= when Damon met Elena he knew in less than a second that she wasn Katherine (watch that scene again) and ofcourse they didn fall in love at that point but serious what a sweet scene that was. But I was talking more about the second thing he made her forget. And honestly the significance of both these memories are pretty self explainatory.5) @ black = Stefan is a hypocrit because he is no different than Damon but Damon has to guts to accept and own his mistakes. If you really want to be a better person, I think the best place to start is not to judge other people and then STOP KILLING PEOPLE. If Stefan is so good than how when it came to Elena he so easily chopped of the head of that poor guy whose only mistake was trusting Stefan and trying to help him. Jeremy did not want to kill that new vampire, Stefan forced him into it and now as a result he is fighting with himself because he wants to kill his sister. Yes Damon always puts Elena first but he never bothered to deny it.The hypocrit thing also comes from the fact that after calling Damon bad over and over, Stefan "the good guy" slept with "his true love" without bothering to mention about Katherine. yes thats a big deal because he has been carrying around that picture for 160 years. He also failed to tell Elena about a little fact where he forced his brother to turn, killed his father and then proceeded to rip people into pieces. A "good" guy who wants to change doesn hide these things from his "true love". I have never said Damon is good nor Stefan bad because these are Vampires we are talking about. They are NOT HUMANS. But the hypocirt thing is very true for Stefan and thats what makes me dislike him.Gosh I wrote so much! I am not going to get into books because this show is so completely different from the books! The only thing that is same is the character names and some vague things about the characters. The show if it had gone with the books would have shown Damon kill Elena before she got sired to him and so on. So really not worth talking about it.p.s. Honestly if there ever comes a time when I have to chose between saving someone I love and a stranger, I will pick the person I love every single time even if it makes me sound selfish. Wouldn you? How in the world can Stefan let Elena Die??? If it wasn for Merideth and Damon's blood, Elena would be DEAD!
So wait i didn't get you. What you mean to say is that damon's complete disregard for a human life is right just because he is honest about it? And Stefan is a hypocrite because he doesn't agree of damon killing people? Please answer this question as i did not understand what your view on this was.
As i said Stefan never said he is better than damon. Not once. Stefan just doesn't agree with killing people and hence he tries his best to not hurt them and submerge his ripper side. I didn't understand why Stefan is a hypocrite if he is trying to be good. In fact when he said he believed that damon could be saved he meant that he believed that damon would learn to respect humans. How is Stefan blaming anyone for his mistakes?? I am extremely confused about it.😕
As for Stefan killing vampire well the fact is vampires are dead. Yes it will be hurt full but still they are not supposed to be alive in the 1st place. If tomorrow god forbid someone does kill Stefan or damon we cannot blame him though we will be heartbroken because no one is supposed to live 160 years. Even in fiction rules are rules.
And again if Stefan was selfish he wouldn't have stopped damon from leaving town in 04x03.
And since you say that Elena has almost lost everyone she love thats all the more reason for her to hold on to damon if she loves him. I mean if you don't realize your love when the person you love is about to die what is the use of it?
As for choosing damon's safety over searching for Stefan well damon had almost died of a werewolf bite an Stefan had sacrificed everything to heal him so how could she let that happen again. Its not like she chose damon's life over Stefan. No matter even if she didnot find Stefan he was safe. But damon was not so she went for damon's safety.
And as for damon sleeping with rebekah. Elena was jealous and that was evident but she had never given up on Stefan. And going back to Stefan when had she gone to damon in the 1st place?
As for elena's feelings towards Stefan it was implied by delena fans that she chose Stefan because he is a safe choice. Because she knows he would never hurt her. So just assumed what delena fans have said. And again i know you have not read the book and that the book story is totally different but the characters of damon Elena and Stefan are same. And in fact their love story and the dynamics of their love story is the exactly same. So Elena mentions there that her love for damon makes her feel strong and powerful. It consumes her. But her love for Stefan makes her feel safe. Like the feeling when after a long time one has reached home. And when Elena picks Stefan she says Elena tells him: "I love him Damon. He came into my life at a time when I needed someone and I fell for him instantly. No matter what I feel for you, I never unfell for him." That speaks for itself. Also about damon's love being consuming Elena also described stefan's love when matt asked her if she thinks she owes Stefan she denies it. She says that she loves Stefan because he makes her feel glad that she is alive. She learned to live because of him. And i can never picture how damon would have ever made Elena get over losing her parents. But thats because its not shown.
And when damon meets Elena for the 1st time she asks him what she wants and the love that consumes you part is his reply. That never meant that she wanted a love that consumes her.
As for Stefan not mentioning Katherine think about it. He was completely over Katherine. So when he slept with Elena he wasn't even thinking about her. It was by chance that Elena saw the photo. Also Stefan did not want Elena to freak out about the fact that she looks exactly like Katherine. In fact he gives a detailed explanation to Elena later when she confronts him.
As for Stefan saving Elena. At that time Elena stubbornly told Stefan to save matt. And the way she looked she did seem like she could last a bit longer. In fact i was surprised when she died just seconds after Stefan took matt. And Stefan did the 1st thing that came to his mind. Stefan wanted to save Elena and matt too. So since Elena was still conscious he went to save matt. If he ha dwasted time to get an unwilling Elena out then there was no chance to save matt.
Now damon would have save directly Elena even though she would put up a fight. Because to him matt means nothing. He doesn't care which human lives or dies except for Elena. So he wouldn't mind wasting the time he can utilise to save matt in subduing Elena and saving her. If in the same situation was Stefan and Elena and damon was to save one of them, and if Stefan would have told him to save Elena he would sae her even though he loves Stefan more. He would come back for Stefan like Stefan came for Elena and never be able to forgive himself for letting Stefan die just like Stefan couldn't.
p.s.; i think you got the part of damon killing Elena before she gets sired to him wrong. It was Katherine who killed Elena. And since Stefan thinks that damon killed Elena he fights him but when Elena wakes up she tries to kill Stefan for she thinks he is a threat to damon(how ironic...)
okay then thats it and pls anwer my question in the begining as i did not understand what you were trying to say.Originally posted by: Missscarlett
Omg! Awesome post... I totally agree with u... Its was always stelena 4 me and its always going to be stelena 4 me no matter they end up together or not. Their love has always been pure. I havent seen season 4 but i seriously dont think being a vampire totally changes a person and makes them a person different than they already are.
Damon lost all my respect in season 3's first episode when he went all naked in front of elena. Did he forget that stefan sacrifized his whole freaking life, his humanity (which was so important to him) just to save his freakingg life? His brother was going through hell and what was damon doing in mystic falls? hitting on his brother's girl. Damon should have atleast a lil decency. Your brother gave up his whole damn life to save u atleast u should have enough decency not to see this as a opportunity to woo the girl u claims to love. For me stefan will always be the better salvotore.
In season 3 he accepted that elena had feelings for damon. Even let her go with him 2 get jeremy and if she would have choosen damon, he would have gracaciously accepted it and left town.
But what did damon do in season 2 when he found out that it was katherine who kissed him and not elena and that she doesnt love him, he killed her brother! Lol and delena fans say that damon truly loves her. Really? Do we go about killing the loved ones of the people who we love?
For me its always going to be stelena! And in damon words "its always going to stefan" for elena :)
Originally posted by: salvatore-nina
Ayuzawa loved reading that long post of yours. Damon and Stefan may both think they're not good enough for her, but it's Elena who's not good for them. I liked Rose and Damon and I liked Stefan with Katherine. Katherine had a spunkiness that I loved even if she was a baddie for most of the show.@ bold - I may be wrong, but are you saying that Elena should have fun with Damon while she can and then go back to Stefan for "safety and stability?"Here's my final thought on Delena/Stelena: So now that Elena chose Damon, let's hope she sticks to him. If she goes back to Stefan, I'll hate her more. I feel sorry for both Stefan and Damon. I hope Stefan doesn't take her back. He deserves someone better. Elena has made her choice and now she can't go back and forth between whom to love anymore. She'll just bring more pain to both and make both brothers hate each other more. If Elena feels conflicted about her feelings of Stefan and can't seem to choose again between both brothers, than she's more like Katherine than she cares to admit. Katherine told her once that Elena can try to have both brothers like she did. If her indecisiveness comes back again and she's rethinking her choice about which brother she chose, than Elena is just like Katharine, leading both Salvatores on and playing them both, not wanting to give up either but not wanting to choose only one.
@ TM,
Only on Bonnie and Damon part. Coz I didn't read the entire thing except the part what you said for Bonnie and Damon. And Frankly, I don't wanna discuss S and anyone with S anymore. I love Damon. I ship Delena. Nothing hurts. Simple.
Well. I have not read the books and not even planning to coz I get it that SE is the endgame, so I don't wanna read it. Its not acceptable to me. I am ultimate DE fan from the beginning, so I don't wanna read the entire thing just to know that my OTP is not the endgame. 😛 And about books, I asked some friends who read the books and they told me about Bonnie and Damon. Well. Bonnie is totally different in books, so in books its possible Damon and Bonnie, but in show, they are not following books, Bonnie hates Damon. My friends told me that in books Bonnie is like Caroline in the show. So no chance of Bonnie and Damon. I get it, you said it from books. But I am so happy that they are not following books. I don't like Bonnie with Damon. (No offense, if you are Boman fan from the book but in the show, they are not even friends, Bonnie is not even same from the books, there is not even a slight possibility.) According to me, Bonnie can kill Damon with a cold heart and not think twice. They are real enemies. 😆
So, fine. We are clear on Bonnie and Damon. (For those who read the books, they can like them. But I have not. So, I don't. 😊)
Originally posted by: rainfire
I know what you are trying to say and I totally understand about Katherine. But blaming Elena for their issues is unfair. She is not responsible for their relationship. And the truth is no one can rip them apart because when it comes down to it they will die for each other.
I dont know how they are going to play this in the future but I want Delena to be the endgame because I love them together. When they are together on screen I can see the screen light up (if that makes any sense 😆) Stefan has a lot of issue going on with him right now and I think now he should start working on them.What I really hated about this episode was Caroline butting in D/E/S business. She is good friends with Stefan but it still doesn give her the right to gossip about her best friend (who saved her ass in the last epi) specifically asked her to let her talk to Stefan. Damon is Stefan's brother and no matter how Caroline feels about him, she has no right to poison their relationship. This will ofcourse cause problems with D and S but I have faith in the Salvatore bond. After 160 something years, I doubt there is anything that can break it for good.(btw did anyone notice how Caroline chose Stefan over Tyler and Elena. I think we will be getting Steroline soon)What this is going to result in is angry (maybe ripper?) Stefan and snarky Damon. And Who wont love that? 😆
thanks and yeah i forgot to mention the points you talked about. good ones. 👏. i am glad that you brought that up.😊