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Ok u luv stefan more...and i disagree wid u on almost every point, i think damon is way better than stefan, its just he doesn't show that! I like stefan too but i luv damon...I love damon coz he is very honest, deep character (may b dats the reason y u can't understand him), he accepts what is truth...i like stefan but the problem is stefan lie to everyone, hides his actual personality from everyone! even from himself...he tries to make himself blv that he is good but infact he is not that much good..! On other hand damon blvs dat he is bad when he is not all bad! He accepts he is bad, he says he doesn't do good when he does...stefan can say that he is good nd damon is bad, damon can accept that stefan is good nd he is bad but infact both r grey characters...
Originally posted by: Mystic_Falls
Sorry but ur post sounds pretty much one sided and seems like u are seeing/analyzing the story from Stefans POV..I dont think your post can give much insight about DE love if u think they fell in love within 3 episodes of season 4.If then what was the entire DE journey through the last 2 seasons supposed to be about? It signified Elena growing more close to Damon,relying him,trusting,loving him even after seeing his flaws..she is the one person who tried to see the good in him and he became a better person when with her...Season 3 was also about Elena at many instances realizing SE are not that perfect for each other as they themselves perceived to be..Elena chose stefan cuz he is the safe choice..There have been detailed discussion done on her choice in same forum so i dont want to repeat the same.Cuz frankly it wont make a difference.Especially if u believe someone like Bonnie is the best choice for Damon 😆.I rather have him stay single till the end of time than hook up with her.As for the better brother debate i still stand by the theory both are equally bad and good at the same time.At the end of the day both are vampires with not many basic human instincts.Both are equally evil.Anyways to each his own.
Originally posted by: ..DamonCrazy..
@TM...Agree with EVERY SINGLE WORD!!!I love Damon to the core...more than any character EVER.But I hate how DE fans put down SE or Stefan to justify their ship.I'm sorry if I offended anyone but it's just my opinion after what I see on IF,on spoiler websites,on blogs,tumblr,youtube and so on.I ship SE over DE, but DeFan above both.I would say that both bros love her(for some unfathomable reason), but I don't know why...somehow I feel that if it came to one brother to choose Elena or the oither brother ,they would choose each other.Again my opinion...which I hope is true.
Anyways your post ROCKS and you basically haven't left anything for me to say😆
Originally posted by: salvatore-nina
Ayuzawa nice post!
I also don't care who ends up with Elena (I'm starting to wonder what's so special about her). I loved Elena in the first and second season but now I just dislike her character. I don't really ship any couple in the show and the only pairings I like are Dalaric and Stamon( there seem to be so many names for Stefan-Damon, but I like this one). I am Team Salvatore, always have been from season 1. I was also a Stelena fan in season 1 and then was conflicted which pair I liked more Stelena or Delena. I honestly don't care who gets the girl in the end as long as my two boys stop fighting like the way they are now and go back to being brothers.Wonderful post.
Okay now that I am fine lets start the discussion again. since you people have pointed out so many things I would like to express my views on it.
Lets go to what rainfire said. So you say that elena chose Stefan in the end because he is a safe choice but she loves damon more. okay the way I see it that's not possible. Why? Because both damon and Stefan were dying or so elena thought at that time, that was the reason she was forced to make a choice. So since both are dying why would she go for a safe choice? Whats the use? since she won't be able to be with them after death. Infact at that moment if she loved damon so much she should have not been able to stop herself from going to him because that was the last time she could see him and all those suppressed feelings which you said she has for him should have surfaced at that time. Also if she loves damon more and yet denies to accept it when he is dying just so that she can be safe emotionally then she is a very selfish being and doesnot deserve damon's love and neither stefan's. and ofcourse she doesn't look at stefan the way she looks at damon but neither does she look at damon the way she looks at Stefan. Yes when she kissed damon she could not help it. But for her to try holding on to Stefan for that entire season is something too.
And yes as for if love is not all consuming you are not doing it right well as much as I know love cannot be defined like that. Because also one way love is that it should give you a sense of security and stability. You should feel that you belong with person you love. No matter what happens you can trust him and depend on him. And that feeling Stefan gives her.
From experience I have seen two people who love each other so much that when with each other they hurt each other but when they are apart they hurt themselves. That is a love that consumes you so much that it controls your emotions and behaviour. But I have also seen a love where both are happy because they are where they belong-together. Neither one is wrong or strong. We can't decide that. Because to the people in love what they do is right and the way they love is right.
As for remembering what damon compelled her to forget. What did he actually make her forget? That he met her before Stefan and that in their 1st meeting he called her Katherine and talked to her. Yes both were attracted to each other. But that was because to damon she looked like Katherine and to elena he looked handsome. That meeting was purely not love.
And as for the sire bond well if the cvs are following the book then elena does get sired to damon after turning and tries to kill Stefan and almost kills matt but then the next day she returns to her normal self and back to Stefan.
Okay now the point of Stefan being a hypocrite. God I don't know how anyone can say that. My poor Stefan. I feel bad for him. No one tries to understand him. stefan is not a hypocrite. He is trying to be good. Redeem himself. So if you are against that then you think that a killer should remain killer and a terrorist should remain one and never try to change. Have you ever heard him say that he is much better than damon. That he deserves elena over damon. If you have then please tell me the episode no. as I must have missed it. Yes he did say that he agrees damon loves elena as much as him but he also said elena deserves better than both of them. That they both are not good enough for her.(which I cannot agree to). As for Stefan not being honest again tell me when Stefan has said he in not bad or that he doesn't have a dark side? Stefan agrees that he is no better than damon but he is trying to be better. Damon sees humans as humans see chicken. But Stefan sees human as another fellow human. Yes he did turn into a ripper but that's what the blood would do to him and that is why he denied himself from drinking the blood. Because when he tried to stop drinking he would realize that he has hurt another person and he would stop all together and so he never learned to control. And he struggled for 30 years before he met elena to deny himself the blood. Even when Klaus had compeled him he got his humanity back because of damon and not elena. So elena is not he reason to his humanity. He is not pretending to be good for her. Until and unless of course some witch predicted to him that he will meet elena 30 years before actually meeting her.(well that could be, god only knows what these witches can do.) again Stefan never blamed any one for his mistakes. In fact he annoyingly takes all the blame for things which are not even his fault. His sense of responsibility is weird. Well on that matter damon doesn't blame any one not even himself and that's because he thinks whatever he does is never wrong.
One thing is there that Stefan does find damon wrong. But that is because damon does not value human life. He doesn't care who lives or dies. To him it doesn't matter as long as the people he loves are safe. And that is not his sacrifice or extreme love for the people he cares about but just the fact that he is not concerned with right or wrong. That's his charm, his carefree nature but his ignorance of the importance of human life is something I can never agree with. He tells elena that he would gladly let bonnie die if it meant saving elena. Why? Doesn't anyone care about bonnie? Doesn't bonnie's heart beat like elena? Who gives him the right to decide that? That was one time I loved elena because she knew what bonnie's life meant to her and others so she decided to find another way to save her. But damon, when the council is onto them to save himself and Stefan he sacrifices lexi. Is that right? So if Stefan doesn't agree with that he is a hypocrite? I mean the small amount of goodness in damon counts but that huge amount of goodness because of which Stefan is trying to be a good person does not count?
Well about Stefan putting Jeremy in danger against elena's wishes don't forget that even Jeremy has a right to make his own decisions and elena cannot compel him to do something just because she wants him to be safe. That is one of the main reasons I started hating elena's character. In season three she made damon compel Jeremy to go away. Well that was wrong because it was against jeremy's wish but even that can be overlooked. But she made bonnie look like a bad person for disagreeing with that. Of course bonnie would disagree. And it should have been elena who should have atleast consulted bonnie before doing something like that. Agreed she is his sister but bonnie was dating him and also it was bonnie who had brought him to life when he had died so she has the full right to contribute to that decision.
As for the sex I feel since it was a spontaneous thing it could be wrong or right. Because when you feel that you must do it even after thinking of reason that you shouldn't it is always love and right. But when it is spontaneous it could either be wrong or right. you might even tend to regret it your decision later.
As for iMadz well she did say that damon has never been selfish regarding elena. Well neither has Stefan. If damon trying to win elena for three seasons is right then Stefan wanting her even after break up is also right. damon always wanted elena to be with him and thought she belonged to him over Stefan and that is the reason he tried to win her from Stefan even to the extend of playing fair and square but if Stefan thinks she belongs to him he is wrong? When Stefan was compeled by Klaus he had become a damon and that is why he let her go so is Stefan wrong to think that now damon should let her go as they both are equally bad for her? If elena had chosen someone purely good and better than Stefan and damon and Stefan would have wanted him too to let go of elena then I can understand but with damon why can't Stefan want him to let go?
Well when caroline falls for Klaus that time she will understand elena's love for damon. But I don't think that as long as caroline is with tyler she will not go for Klaus. And no matter what she will always support Stelena even when she understands delena's relationship. And well the details of that I will give in my other view. Right now I won't be able to write so much again.
As for bonnie and damon I again want to make it clear that I was entirely talking about the book and that I personally want someone like the bonnie in the book to be in the show. Any new character with that kind of personality. I will copy paste here the character description of the bonnie and damon and her relationship in the TVD BOOK given on wikepidia so that you people don't confuse what I am saying.
The post below in blue colour is the property of Wikipedia and not mine which i have used for reference.
• Bonnie McCullough: Bonnie is a main female character of the book series. She was born 8 September 1974 in Fells Church, Virginia. She is the best friend of Elena Gilbert and Meredith Sulez. She also used to be close friends with Caroline Forbes since childhood, alongside Elena and Meredith, but became distant from her as they got older due to personal reasons. Bonnie is a powerful psychic witch who is descended from Celtic Druids. She eventually develops strong, deep feelings for Damon, and the two have a deep, unusual and unbreakable bond between one another, physically and emotionally. Damon has also has been shown to display deep feelings for Bonnie. Damon is always seen to be extremely protective of her, especially whenever she is in trouble. He even goes so far as to sacrifice himself for her and cried when he found out she'd been kidnapped. Damon is seen to be gentle and tender towards Bonnie and she seems to bring out the more 'human' side of Damon. Bonnie is of Scottish-American descent. She has the one older sister called Mary who is three or four years older and is a nurse. It's also hinted that she may have another older sister but it was never confirmed. Physically, Bonnie is described to be petite (about 4'7" to 4'11" in height) and has large, childlike brown eyes with long, heavy, black eyelashes and strawberry-red hair that she had permed at the very start of the books but is naturally straight for which Damon calls her his little red bird. She has the white, pale skin that Damon describes as translucent. Her physique is described to be somewhat underdeveloped and because of this, Damon often refers to Bonnie as a 'woman-child'. She is considered classically beautiful but has yet to grow into herself. Personality wise, Bonnie is described as bubbly, optimistic, cheerful, kind, caring, selfless, brave, loyal and protective. She is sometimes considered to be the weakest member of the group because she is the most emotional and compassionate out of everyone, but she is always willing to help and to protect her friends and loved ones in any way that she can, regardless of the danger. This proves how brave she in dangerous situations, despite everyone around her thinking differently and believing that she is not capable of protecting herself because of her childlike looks. Bonnie has always been considered second and third compared to Elena and Meredith, but because she is not an envious person by nature it doesn't normally affect her or bother her. Because of her personality, Bonnie can also be taken for granted by most people including her friends, especially in regards to her empathy and ability of giving to others without asking for anything in return. In general, Bonnie is sweet, enthusiastic, unselfish, kind and humble, in retrospect, she is the complete the opposite of Damon. She is also powerful and helps the group many times. Bonnie doesn't like her psychic powers because when she over uses them, she sometimes falls unconscious, faints or blacks out but when asked by Honoria Fell, she decides to keep them and she tries to use them as well as her late Grandma in Scotland had used them. Bonnie is terrified of her strong abilities and powers and what she is capable of doing with them, fearing that her powers might control her rather than the other way around. Bonnie tends to pass out after her visions and has yet to show any real usage of her power. Later in the story she develops a connection with Matt, but her connection with him are more platonic and brotherly in nature. Bonnie talks about the prophecy in which her grandmother told her that she would die young and be young and beautiful in her grave. Bonnie is attending college with her friends Elena, Stefan, Meredith and Matt. At college, Bonnie meets an original werewolf named Zander in the book Moonsong, who has told her that he loves her. Both Zander and Elena have shown a dislike towards one another, due to a strong lack of trust between the two. Zander and Bonnie develop a stronger romantic connection and relationship and the two end up happy together.
Damon is described to be cold, sinister, sadistic, impulsive, selfish, prideful, arrogant, vain, envious, controlling, manipulative, powerful, dangerous, reckless, unkind, uncaring, cold-hearted, ruthless and unsympathetic. However, Damon is also capable of being loyal, determined, passionate, protective (especially where Bonnie is concerned) and capable of affection with only a very select few of people. Aside from Elena, Damon also has strong feelings for Bonnie. He is seen to be strongly protective of her and he is always there for her whenever she needs help. Bonnie is known to be Damon's "soft spot" and she seems to bring out the more human side of Damon, much more than Elena ever did or could. Despite Damon's feelings for Bonnie, Damon always paid more attention to Elena due to being obsessed with possessing her.
Meredith, Bonnie, and Matt crash into a tree, which grows larger and larger, trapping them inside their car. Bonnie calls Damon for help and he saves her. Stefan saves Matt and Meredith, while Damon heals Bonnie.
When this happens damon tries every possible way to save bonnie who is poisoned and later gives her his blood. When stefan comes and tries to make damon realize his concern for a human damon outright denies it so stefan tries to punch him. But instead of moving and letting bonnie who is unconcious into the tub damon choses to take the punch which can break his jaw. infact saving bonnie almost makes him good again until of course when she wake up she gets scared of him and moves away. Later again damon saves bonnie at caroline's house and they have their first kiss which is very funny.
Damon is now human. He uses Misao's star ball to reopen the gate to the Dark Dimension and takes Bonnie with him by accident. Bonnie is arrested as a runaway slave and taken to an auction house to be sold. Shinichi buys Bonnie to extract information about Misao's star ball. Shinichi throws Bonnie out of a window, but Damon saves her.
In this damon leaves bonnie to become a vampire again. When he comes back for and doesn't find her there he almost starts a war against the guardians. Then he puts earth and heaven together to search for her. And when he finds her with sinichi instead of hurting sinichi he takes bonnie to a safe place but after promising to come back to hurt shinichi. He cries when he is fully sure that she is safe and becomes really angry when he hears from bonnie that shinichi had planned to torture her. Also bonnie being bonnie takes the whole blame for the using of star ball so that even though they kill her they won't go after damon and hurt him.
Damon is killed when the tree stakes him in the heart while he saves Bonnie from falling to her death.
Here its clear. Damon dies trying to save bonnie from getting hurt. When he wakes up from dead due to the rain of power on him he remembers elena and bonnie even before he remembers his name.
See this is the kind of love i want damon to have. A person so innocent and naive like the bonnie in the book. not someone who can never be totally his. someone who he can tease and call her with a name that is exclusively his right. like she belongs only and only to him.😳
phew!!!thats it for today. give your points below and well discuss it later. for now bye.I really wasnt going to reply back today because I am just so sad about the horrible tragedy that happened in Connecticut today. But I think I need something to distract me right now and what can be better than talking about fictional character.
Lets go to what rainfire said. So you say that elena chose Stefan in the end because he is a safe choice but she loves damon more. okay the way I see it that's not possible. Why? Because both damon and Stefan were dying or so elena thought at that time, that was the reason she was forced to make a choice. So since both are dying why would she go for a safe choice? Whats the use? since she won't be able to be with them after death. Infact at that moment if she loved damon so much she should have not been able to stop herself from going to him because that was the last time she could see him and all those suppressed feelings which you said she has for him should have surfaced at that time. Also if she loves damon more and yet denies to accept it when he is dying just so that she can be safe emotionally then she is a very selfish being and doesnot deserve damon's love and neither stefan's. and ofcourse she doesn't look at stefan the way she looks at damon but neither does she look at damon the way she looks at Stefan. Yes when she kissed damon she could not help it. But for her to try holding on to Stefan for that entire season is something too.And yes as for if love is not all consuming you are not doing it right well as much as I know love cannot be defined like that. Because also one way love is that it should give you a sense of security and stability. You should feel that you belong with person you love. No matter what happens you can trust him and depend on him. And that feeling Stefan gives her.
From experience I have seen two people who love each other so much that when with each other they hurt each other but when they are apart they hurt themselves. That is a love that consumes you so much that it controls your emotions and behaviour. But I have also seen a love where both are happy because they are where they belong-together. Neither one is wrong or strong. We can't decide that. Because to the people in love what they do is right and the way they love is right.
As for remembering what damon compelled her to forget. What did he actually make her forget? That he met her before Stefan and that in their 1st meeting he called her Katherine and talked to her. Yes both were attracted to each other. But that was because to damon she looked like Katherine and to elena he looked handsome. That meeting was purely not love.
And as for the sire bond well if the cvs are following the book then elena does get sired to damon after turning and tries to kill Stefan and almost kills matt but then the next day she returns to her normal self and back to Stefan.
Okay now the point of Stefan being a hypocrite. God I don't know how anyone can say that. My poor Stefan. I feel bad for him. No one tries to understand him. stefan is not a hypocrite. He is trying to be good. Redeem himself. So if you are against that then you think that a killer should remain killer and a terrorist should remain one and never try to change. Have you ever heard him say that he is much better than damon. That he deserves elena over damon. If you have then please tell me the episode no. as I must have missed it. Yes he did say that he agrees damon loves elena as much as him but he also said elena deserves better than both of them. That they both are not good enough for her.(which I cannot agree to). As for Stefan not being honest again tell me when Stefan has said he in not bad or that he doesn't have a dark side? Stefan agrees that he is no better than damon but he is trying to be better. Damon sees humans as humans see chicken. But Stefan sees human as another fellow human. Yes he did turn into a ripper but that's what the blood would do to him and that is why he denied himself from drinking the blood. Because when he tried to stop drinking he would realize that he has hurt another person and he would stop all together and so he never learned to control. And he struggled for 30 years before he met elena to deny himself the blood. Even when Klaus had compeled him he got his humanity back because of damon and not elena. So elena is not he reason to his humanity. He is not pretending to be good for her. Until and unless of course some witch predicted to him that he will meet elena 30 years before actually meeting her.(well that could be, god only knows what these witches can do.) again Stefan never blamed any one for his mistakes. In fact he annoyingly takes all the blame for things which are not even his fault. His sense of responsibility is weird. Well on that matter damon doesn't blame any one not even himself and that's because he thinks whatever he does is never wrong.
One thing is there that Stefan does find damon wrong. But that is because damon does not value human life. He doesn't care who lives or dies. To him it doesn't matter as long as the people he loves are safe. And that is not his sacrifice or extreme love for the people he cares about but just the fact that he is not concerned with right or wrong. That's his charm, his carefree nature but his ignorance of the importance of human life is something I can never agree with. He tells elena that he would gladly let bonnie die if it meant saving elena. Why? Doesn't anyone care about bonnie? Doesn't bonnie's heart beat like elena? Who gives him the right to decide that? That was one time I loved elena because she knew what bonnie's life meant to her and others so she decided to find another way to save her. But damon, when the council is onto them to save himself and Stefan he sacrifices lexi. Is that right? So if Stefan doesn't agree with that he is a hypocrite? I mean the small amount of goodness in damon counts but that huge amount of goodness because of which Stefan is trying to be a good person does not count?
Well about Stefan putting Jeremy in danger against elena's wishes don't forget that even Jeremy has a right to make his own decisions and elena cannot compel him to do something just because she wants him to be safe. That is one of the main reasons I started hating elena's character. In season three she made damon compel Jeremy to go away. Well that was wrong because it was against jeremy's wish but even that can be overlooked. But she made bonnie look like a bad person for disagreeing with that. Of course bonnie would disagree. And it should have been elena who should have atleast consulted bonnie before doing something like that. Agreed she is his sister but bonnie was dating him and also it was bonnie who had brought him to life when he had died so she has the full right to contribute to that decision.
As for the sex I feel since it was a spontaneous thing it could be wrong or right. Because when you feel that you must do it even after thinking of reason that you shouldn't it is always love and right. But when it is spontaneous it could either be wrong or right. you might even tend to regret it your decision later.
Originally posted by: rainfire
3) @ green = I dont know how you know Elena feels that way when Elena herself doesn know how she feels. As far as the trusting and depending part is concerned that bridge was burned when Stefan terrorised Elena in the same exact place where her parents died (and no he was not under compulsion that that point) and then almost made E lose her brother(only family member she has left) when he tried to make into a hunter. Ofcourse you cant define love but this is not a marriage with kids or anything like that. This is a 18 year old girl who hasn experienced anything in her life except loss. I think she needs some passionate, wild romance in her life. She needs to live, laugh, dance before she picks "safety and stability"
So are you saying Damon is fun, passionate and alive while Stefan not so much? 😆 I am messing with you. No I mean is that she can be with whoever she wants to be with. Just because she started dating Stefan in season 1 doesn mean she found her "soulmate" and if she looks at another man she is a "s**t". (If you ask me stability is good but what is the point of living if you dont feel alive and happy?)Originally posted by: salvatore-nina
@ bold - I may be wrong, but are you saying that Elena should have fun with Damon while she can and then go back to Stefan for "safety and stability?"Here's my final thought on Delena/Stelena: So now that Elena chose Damon, let's hope she sticks to him. If she goes back to Stefan, I'll hate her more. I feel sorry for both Stefan and Damon. I hope Stefan doesn't take her back. He deserves someone better. Elena has made her choice and now she can't go back and forth between whom to love anymore. She'll just bring more pain to both and make both brothers hate each other more. If Elena feels conflicted about her feelings of Stefan and can't seem to choose again between both brothers, than she's more like Katherine than she cares to admit. Katherine told her once that Elena can try to have both brothers like she did. If her indecisiveness comes back again and she's rethinking her choice about which brother she chose, than Elena is just like Katharine, leading both Salvatores on and playing them both, not wanting to give up either but not wanting to choose only one.