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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

this is a critical post. if you are loving the characters and the track.. please do not proceed further.😳.

keeping it straight and simple and to point.

Sanskaar:

The man who chooses any means to get what he wants. that was Sanskaar.
right or wrong; moral or immoral; ethical or ethical.. though he could clearly demarcate.. that never stopped him from doing what he wants.
So he acted like a crazy guy to wage against the ones he thought who wronged him.
BUT.. there was a method to his madness.
calmness in that chaos. clear and deadly intentions behind his antics.

and now there is Kissan.
Is he adorable... Yes.
Is he immensely likeable... Yes.
Is it fun to see him on screen... Yes.
Is he Sanskaar... NO!

the glorious moments when Sanskaar peeks out of Kissan facade are rare and priceless.
but does that make Kissan Sanskaar... NO. He is Kissan.

Swara falling for Kissan in any ways acceptable.. NOT for me. because barring that one handshake she felt nothing around him.
neither as Kissan and definitely not as Sanskaar.

I could crib, cry and mourn for the divine Cosmic connection that She had with him before... but well the makers forgot that part totally.

so what is Kissan doing? does Sanskaar have any plan behind this kissan act?
if he wants to stay around his Swara and make her smile.. I get that. he is doing a spectacular job.
but if he planning to win her back as Kissan.. then in God's name.. HOW?
what exactly has he done to jog her memory in any ways or to remind her of SwaSan or something anything?
does he have a plan?
in RNBDJ Suri ji became what he thought Tani wants.
what is the purpose of Kissan? how is Sanskaar planning to win his life back?

and why the fact the Sahil acting creepily possessive with his Swara doesn't ring warning bells in him. he used to see through people before?

he will wise up for sure... but question is will we get intelligent Sanskaar or the former decidedly deadly version of Sanskaar who showed no mercy to anyone who crossed his way.

I want my Sanskaar BACK!

Swara:

she lost her memory alright. has she lost herself too?
she was impulsive, emotional, fighting for what she thought is right, unreasonable at times but relatable others.. She was Swara.

was she ever disrespectful towards her elders... NO. barring once when Dadi went too overboard she never raised her voice against Dadi even in earlier days. Dida and Daadi fights not withstanding.
Now Her attitude towards Maheshwari's who were showing nothing but love and care for them.. is downright disrespectful. Rude even.

Guilt, Empathy, understanding, respect.. something anything?

overt Aggression:

I always always detested the leads who would yell like a fishwives. no matter what the justification.
first that non-stop khooni jap, extremely harsh and cruel words and attitude, and then all that yelling at someone in somebody else's house.

a little decorum, decency, boundaries please.
was Swara always like this... No.

Sahil:

No comments here
reserving the post. I am having a horrid feeling this is gonna get worse. will rant then.

and then the elephant in the room.

why does she feel nothing?

she lost her memory. she got to know she is married. she thinks her husband is a khooni.
and then what?
everyone around her tells her that Sanskaar is a great guy, there are pictures as proof of their happy life, the guy himself begs and pleads and even declares that he loves her and will never hurt her, she gets few odd flashes and moment here and there and then... what?

she is busy living a new life without a moment taken out for that lost life?
she lost her memory.. has she lost basic human curiosity and the intense need to know our identity in the world?

don't get me started on the lack of monologues and introspection.
and the complete and total loss of Cosmic connection.

who is she and want does she want?

SwaSan:

I do NOT want Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi.
I will finding it affronting to the story that was sold to me as the one written by destiny with Cosmos as quill.
Swara loves Sanskaar.
and Kissan is NOT Sanskaar.

Sanskaar loves Swara.

and SwaSan is Swa and San.

Not Swa who is being a distorted version Swa.
and San who is being radically opposite version of San.

Sorry about the negative post.
I loved this beautiful story for so long..
and I wanted to live a second life of this story with so many wishes and hopes...

I want to see the second innings of a glorious love story.. in a way that would pay tribute to the original.
and I want to see that love story between the two flawed yet beautifully perfect characters.

Swara and Sanskaar.
and SwaSan..

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suwas

@suwas

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Posted: 9 years ago

Your post is bang on what I feel. I had big expectations of this track. I wanted Sanskar @ home & Kissan @ music school. Polls apart but still both slowly reminding Swara of Sanskar's love. I don't want Kissan as just entertainment for Swara. He should question her,make her doubt about her belief about Sanskar. Be her true friend like Sansakr was in the begining reminding her of those days. Being around Sanskar in MM should give her deja Vu feeling with flash of memory of their love. But cvs has made Kissan completely different & have made Sanskar disappear. I can give Swara some time. But not happy with Kissan track

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dolly

@tiny15

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+ 3

Posted: 9 years ago

@TM i agree wid on sum points & disagree on few.

but i agree wid u that i want swara 2 fall 4 sanskar & not 4 kissan.

and i hav also asked the question that how sanskar will remind swara of her luv 4 sanskar as kissan?? and 4 cosmic connection sanskar has 2 live in MM wid swara so that she"ll feel that connection.like shes feeling sumthing while touching kissan but she thinks him as kissan.

CVs shud show that connection wen she touches sanskar or around him or wen he gets hurt like on stairs.

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The.Lannister

@The.Lannister

Stunner

+ 7

Posted: 9 years ago

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Unreserved:

Kisan:

What is that man even doing? 😳 First & foremost I had hated the idea of disguise. But then seeing excessive of Sahil - Swara & family drama I decided to give it a chance. And I regret it so much🤢 I never thought Kisan will be just for comic relief. Dancing to weird songs, crass toilet humour, cheap antics. All these things could have been wrapped in one single episode. Did we need to spend four days on it? I dont find Kisan - Swara magical. I dont even like them together that much because like everything else it is taking away SwaSan screenspace. I was promised SwaSan & Kisan - Swara is not SwaSan, will never be SwaSan. I had expected Kisan will remind Swara of things. When on the first day itself he saw their marriage photo I was delighted! I thought that now he can ask her about it & the true track can begin. But seems not. And going by the OLVs & segments seems Kisan is just going to be stupid & lame🤢 Please just end this character & bring back the old Sanskaar Maheshwari. I dont know why they cannot bring him back. After all they did write him right? Or did they plagiarize someone's script😆

Sanskaar:

Sanskaar lost Swara & then he got her back just to lose her all over again. He wouldnt just be sad. He would be angry. Angry at anyone & anything that stood between him & Swara & atm only two things stand between them. Sahil & Swara herself. And what is Sanskaar doing about either? Nothing?😲 After getting over the initial hurt of her accusations he wont seek her out & try to talk to her? He will be OK with her not even thinking about their marriage while she roams the city with random guys like Sahil & Kisan? Where is the anger? Where is the possessiveness any husband will feel?

And one more thing. Sanskaar loves Swara but what about Sujata. So you let your mother (and family) suffer for your wife's whims & fancies? Your wife is ill...she needs a doctor! How about you take her to one? Does he have no responsibility towards his mother? For a woman who has been excessively rude with you, you leave a loving mother behind? Maybe such behaviour suits a college boy but it does not suit a man! I felt really bad for Sujju that day & then again yesterday. She has gone through this once, now again both time because of Sanskaar's love for a woman🤢👏

Swara:

I said enough on Sakshi's post. Just one more thing to add. I hated Sanskaar not talking to Swara during the maalkin track. Now, I would give a great deal for Swara to just shut up! Please put brains into gear before opening you mouth Swara🤢 Fisherwoman...good term Nimmi😆 I am finding her absolutely classless.

Sahil:

I dont even understand why he is getting so much prominence🥱 Just yesterday ONLY he could understand that Kisan is not singing when even Suro ki Devi herself could not? 😆 Why is that man so important? Its not as if they have hired Amitabh Bachchan for the role that he MUST be given most prominence. To actually compromise the leads in order to make a villain/ third angle smart is plot suicide which is happening here but even then it seems many dont think so😕

I do understand that if they sorted out everything immediately the track would end in a week but if you have to stretch, stretch SwaSan scenes! This track was advertised as being SwaSan centric, Swara falling in love with Sanskaar blah blah. Where are SwaSan here? I detest all those typical trip n fall sequence but I will watch that if swara is falling in Sanskar's arms. Yaha she falls in every other man's arms except Sanskaar. I roll eyes during cosmic connection scenes but I would sooner see those than Kisan spouting dirty toilet humour & being downmarket in general. Curtains, dupatta defying all laws of physics are utterly 😆 but that over Swara yelling like a demented banshee every other day, any day. Let Swara not remember but at least let her feel. Let her not accept Sanskaar but let her at least think about Sanskaar. When Kisan gave her those chocolates why couldn't she have some flashback? The "its been only a few days" doesnt cut it. Flashbacks dont follow timelines. They come & go as they please.

I had thought RNBDJ was a shitty movie. But honestly watching this track has made me like the movie. At least there was no Sahil in it. At least we know Tani never loved Suri. Yes I will watch that buddha SRK romancing a young girl over the shit we are being shown anyday.

I am back to LU I guess 😆 VK is doing great as Kisan but for me Sanskaar is more important than VK & if I want to watch VK play a gawaar dehati I will prefer to do it in some other show. Here I want him as Sanskaar only!

Edited by The.Lannister - 9 years ago

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: suwas
Your post is bang on what I feel. I had big expectations of this track. I wanted Sanskar @ home & Kissan @ music school. Polls apart but still both slowly reminding Swara of Sanskar's love. I don't want Kissan as just entertainment for Swara. He should question her,make her doubt about her belief about Sanskar. Be her true friend like Sansakr was in the begining reminding her of those days. Being around Sanskar in MM should give her deja Vu feeling with flash of memory of their love. But cvs has made Kissan completely different & have made Sanskar disappear. I can give Swara some time. But not happy with Kissan track

Thank you Suwas.

and ditto for your words.
you voiced my feelings. same to same.
I still wish we get Sanskaar and Swara scenes and some introspection and some feelings and flashbacks from her side.

I don't mind Kissan.. but I would want Sanskaar around Swara too.

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: tiny15
@TM i agree wid on sum points & disagree on few.
but i agree wid u that i want swara 2 fall 4 sanskar & not 4 kissan.

and i hav also asked the question that how sanskar will remind swara of her luv 4 sanskar as kissan?? and 4 cosmic connection sanskar has 2 live in MM wid swara so that she"ll feel that connection.like shes feeling sumthing while touching kissan but she thinks him as kissan.

CVs shud show that connection wen she touches sanskar or around him or wen he gets hurt like on stairs.

Thank you Tiny.
disagreeing on points is absolutely fine dear. and thank you for agreeing with some points.

and word to your question! +1.

I am having the same doubt from day 1. no answers till now. hopefully soon. Ummeed.

and Gosh I so want that connection back.. for Sanskaar. she can still feel his touch. that's beautiful. but need something more in that.

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Fari_15

@Fari_15

Dazzler

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

Copy/Pasting my reply to a thread:

I agree with everything you said. Whilst watching the episode, I was wondering the same thing. Swara keeps on going about how Sanskaar tried to murder her, etc, which is honestly very annoying because how can she ignore everything that he's been doing for her or what her family keeps telling her about their relationship?
She has a memory loss, and she remembers Sanskaar shooting the gun, however, shouldn't she be a bit affected by his actions. For example, despite of Sanskaar saying I love to her the night before, she starts calling him ghatiya insaan, etc the very next morning. I am not saying she should start loving him immediately but can't they show her conflicting emotions regarding him. Can't she question everything, like a man who claims to love her, why would he try to kill her.
Also, she knows she has memory loss, but she's so least bothered towards it. Won't a person be inquisitive about his/her life and things they don't remember? She isn't concerned about how her parents got married, how she and Ragini ended up in the same house, heck even the time span that she doesn't remember. I would expect a person suffering from amnesia trying to connect the dots and trying to recollect the past memories but here Swara is shown to not give two shits about anything. It's like she's happy to start her life all over again and the past year or two don't matter to her.
The dialogues being given to Swara are too extreme and not needed, for example, she said that she feels suffocated whenever the family members try to remind her of her and Sanskaar's happy married life, and marrying a person like Sanskaar was her biggest mistake. How can she make such bold statements without once wondering why she married him at the first place, why does everyone keep on saying they were happy together.

I really hope the cvs show Swara's emotional conflict when Sankaar leaves the house, her wondering and questioning everything, or at least her agitation on not being able to recall a number of years of her life and something as significant as her marriage. Also, once the memory is back, Swara should been shown remembering everything she said to Sanskaar and hating herself for it :P

Kissan's entry is a refreshing after the khooni drama and the unwanted Sahil and Swara scenes, however, I don't understand the point behind Sanskaar's disguise. He said in the promos that Kissan will get her memory back but he hasn't done anything significant as yet. Maybe it's just been a day or two to his entry, and that's why he's taking things slow.
I really liked how Kissan offered Swara chocolates to celebrate the occasion, but would have liked it more if he had repeated that one should always be prepared to celebrate a happy occasion (what Swara said to him in the initial scenes) and if Swara had reacted to it, like getting some flashes, etc.

Forum members might justify Swara and Kissan's behaviour saying it has only been a week since she came to know of her marriage according to the timeline of the show, but has the time really mattered? Ragini's redemption happened in merely a week, her wound got healed in a day, Sahil literally fell in love with Swara in just under three days.

All we can do is hope that cvs focus a bit more on SwaSan's cosmic connection and Swara regaining her memory.

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nimmi

@Banjaaran25

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: The.Lannister
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would love to know your views Lanny.. we so think alike lot of times😆

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rammushree

@rammushree

Explorer

Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Banjaaran.

this is a critical post. if you are loving the characters and the track.. please do not proceed further.😳.

keeping it straight and simple and to point.

Sanskaar:

The man who chooses any means to get what he wants. that was Sanskaar.
right or wrong; moral or immoral; ethical or ethical.. though he could clearly demarcate.. that never stopped him from doing what he wants.
So he acted like a crazy guy to wage against the ones he thought who wronged him.
BUT.. there was a method to his madness.
calmness in that chaos. clear and deadly intentions behind his antics.

and now there is Kissan.
Is he adorable... Yes.
Is he immensely likeable... Yes.
Is it fun to see him on screen... Yes.
Is he Sanskaar... NO!

the glorious moments when Sanskaar peeks out of Kissan facade are rare and priceless.
but does that make Kissan Sanskaar... NO. He is Kissan.

Swara falling for Kissan in any ways acceptable.. NOT for me. because barring that one handshake she felt nothing around him.
neither as Kissan and definitely not as Sanskaar.

I could crib, cry and mourn for the divine Cosmic connection that She had with him before... but well the makers forgot that part totally.

so what is Kissan doing? does Sanskaar have any plan behind this kissan act?
if he wants to stay around his Swara and make her smile.. I get that. he is doing a spectacular job.
but if he planning to win her back as Kissan.. then in God's name.. HOW?
what exactly has he done to jog her memory in any ways or to remind her of SwaSan or something anything?
does he have a plan?
in RNBDJ Suri ji became what he thought Tani wants.
what is the purpose of Kissan? how is Sanskaar planning to win his life back?

and why the fact the Sahil acting creepily possessive with his Swara doesn't ring warning bells in him. he used to see through people before?

he will wise up for sure... but question is will we get intelligent Sanskaar or the former decidedly deadly version of Sanskaar who showed no mercy to anyone who crossed his way.

I want my Sanskaar BACK!

Swara:

she lost her memory alright. has she lost herself too?
she was impulsive, emotional, fighting for what she thought is right, unreasonable at times but relatable others.. She was Swara.

was she ever disrespectful towards her elders... NO. barring once when Dadi went too overboard she never raised her voice against Dadi even in earlier days. Dida and Daadi fights not withstanding.
Now Her attitude towards Maheshwari's who were showing nothing but love and care for them.. is downright disrespectful. Rude even.

Guilt, Empathy, understanding, respect.. something anything?

overt Aggression:

I always always detested the leads who would yell like a fishwives. no matter what the justification.
first that non-stop khooni jap, extremely harsh and cruel words and attitude, and then all that yelling at someone in somebody else's house.

a little decorum, decency, boundaries please.
was Swara always like this... No.

Sahil:

No comments here
reserving the post. I am having a horrid feeling this is gonna get worse. will rant then.

and then the elephant in the room.

why does she feel nothing?

she lost her memory. she got to know she is married. she thinks her husband is a khooni.
and then what?
everyone around her tells her that Sanskaar is a great guy, there are pictures as proof of their happy life, the guy himself begs and pleads and even declares that he loves her and will never hurt her, she gets few odd flashes and moment here and there and then... what?

she is busy living a new life without a moment taken out for that lost life?
she lost her memory.. has she lost basic human curiosity and the intense need to know our identity in the world?

don't get me started on the lack of monologues and introspection.
and the complete and total loss of Cosmic connection.

who is she and want does she want?

SwaSan:

I do NOT want Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi.
I will finding it affronting to the story that was sold to me as the one written by destiny with Cosmos as quill.
Swara loves Sanskaar.
and Kissan is NOT Sanskaar.

Sanskaar loves Swara.

and SwaSan is Swa and San.

Not Swa who is being a distorted version Swa.
and San who is being radically opposite version of San.

Sorry about the negative post.
I loved this beautiful story for so long..
and I wanted to live a second life of this story with so many wishes and hopes...

I want to see the second innings of a glorious love story.. in a way that would pay tribute to the original.
and I want to see that love story between the two flawed yet beautifully perfect characters.

Swara and Sanskaar.
and SwaSan..

Very well said. 👏

The CVs have lost their brains. I agree this is a daily soap but it can't be so illogical. Swara knows that she is married and people around her are telling her that she has a loving husband as Sanskar. She herself saw photographs. Instead of pondering over her married life, she is shown bindass moving around with her newly created friends. Is this logical? Wouldn't I even have a small pinch of some responsibility towards my marriage? What crap are these CVs showing. They are bent on ruining a strong character as Swara. I feel in the process even Sanskar's character is diluted. I still am not getting the purpose of Nissan though I am loving this character.