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Posted: 10 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Come to think of it, the show projects the Marwari community in a very negative light. The hateful Dadi, ferociously uptight and prejudiced DPM, doormat Maheswari women including confused Annapurna, scheming Uttara, vengeful Sankskar and delusional Ragini. Not to forget the spineless Shekhar. Lakshya seems to be the only one exempted from the black-brushing.

To contrast with this picture, the Bengalis in the show are: liberal-minded, witty, sensible Dida. Strong, independant Sharmistha. Mature, sensible and chilled-out Swara. (not counting their flaws, of course)




And the most laughable thing is that they're haughtily prejudiced as such against the overwhelming native majority. Can you imagine DP having gotten so rich with such an attitude towards Bengalis? And the moral of the story is that the good sensible Bengalis will always have to continue pander to just aweful ppl?!?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham



And the most laughable thing is that they're haughtily prejudiced as such against the overwhelming native majority. Can you imagine DP having gotten so rich with such an attitude towards Bengalis? And the moral of the story is that the good sensible Bengalis will always have to continue pander to just aweful ppl?!?


Precisely. I burst out laughing whenever his tirades against 'Bangalaans' start. 😆 But seriously, the Marwaris in this show behave like they live in a cordoned-off neat little Marwari-world Isle of their own. But on a serious note, this is a dilemma most immigrants face. On one hand, they want to leave their homeland looking for greener pastures, but, on the other, they find it difficult to merge in with the culture and lifestyle of the host population, and end up somehow 'hating' them or convince themselves that the other culture is 'inferior'. This problem is especially acute in case of South Asian immigrants in Europe. Its an amusing paradox.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz



Precisely. I burst out laughing whenever his tirades against 'Bangalaans' start. 😆 But seriously, the Marwaris in this show behave like they live in a cordoned-off neat little Marwari-world Isle of their own. But on a serious note, this is a dilemma most immigrants face. On one hand, they want to leave their homeland looking for greener pastures, but, on the other, they find it difficult to merge in with the culture and lifestyle of the host population, and end up somehow 'hating' them or convince themselves that the other culture is 'inferior'. This problem is especially acute in case of South Asian immigrants in Europe. Its an amusing paradox.


Oh yes! I'm well aware about the existential identity crisis that many SA ppl abroad face. My own relatives and many of my mother's friends even are products of this issue and being bi-racial I've been at the butt end of many of their cruel taunts. Thus I do feel a connection to swara on that end. But I don't know many, if anyone, whose been unable to merge, be as successful as DP is shown to be. That to me is insane. He talks about his izzat in samaj. Is samaj of Kolkata made up of the 1% Marwari population? I certainly can't imagine any Bengalis respecting him given his open discrimination towards them.
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Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham


Oh yes! I'm well aware about the existential identity crisis that many SA ppl abroad face. My own relatives and many of my mother's friends even are products of this issue and being bi-racial I've been at the butt end of many of their cruel taunts. Thus I do feel a connection to swara on that end. But I don't know many, if anyone, whose been unable to merge, be as successful as DP is shown to be. That to me is insane. He talks about his izzat in samaj. Is samaj of Kolkata made up of the 1% Marwari population? I certainly can't imagine any Bengalis respecting him given his open discrimination towards them.


I feel for you. Its extremely heart-rending to be made to feel 'inferior' or 'not good enough for the rest', that too by people you consider your own. Done over a long period of time, it can inculcate an inferiority complex in the abused.

On DPM, I think he only cares about his respect among the Marwaris of Kolkata. Though how could he have 'be-dakhaled' a family from society in the whole city of Kolkata, beats me.

Btw, mixed marriages are generally frowned upon among the Marwari community of Kolkata. Read this article:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1071125/asp/7days/story_8589420.asp
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@krystal haha looks like we've hijacked the topic. 😆 but ya I'm well aware of this attitude, my mother used to live in kolkata at one point and i have many friends there. but nowadays i think generally the marwaris care more about money status in the whole of kolkata than just whether they are marwari or not. and even though many aren't open to intercaste marriages, they'll still never ever express resentment towards bengalis in front of the whole samaj and all cos they're very enterprising people and know the value of a good rapport with the locals.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Yeah, the whole point of the community's existence is money, money and more money. 😆 Just like a middle-class Bengali would shiver at the prospect of a child of the family going into business (even today), a typical Marwari family would consider it a taboo to let their sons do anything other than join the family business. Independent careers a no-no. So yep, DPM's extremism is a tad unrealistic. And you're bang on with regard to the point on inter-regional marriage--its mostly about the financial status of the other family rather than whether they're Marwari or not. And certainly not about "maas-machhi" as they keep on harping like a broken cassette in this show.
Btw I'm a Bengali and a resident of Kolkata myself. 😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Yeah, the whole point of the community's existence is money, money and more money. 😆 Just like a middle-class Bengali would shiver at the prospect of a child of the family going into business (even today), a typical Marwari family would consider it a taboo to let their sons do anything other than join the family business. Independent careers a no-no. So yep, DPM's extremism is a tad unrealistic. And you're bang on with regard to the point on inter-regional marriage--its mostly about the financial status of the other family rather than whether they're Marwari or not. And certainly not about "maas-machhi" as they keep on harping like a broken cassette in this show.

Btw I'm a Bengali and a resident of Kolkata myself. 😛



Lol ya the Marwari clan shrilling about Maas-macchi with harpy voices. Just lol. Besides isn't it much more common for Marwari men to marry Bengali girls? Most of the fuss is about girls marrying out of clan no?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I don't agree with some of your points.

There is a huge problem with Ragini still wanting to marry Laksh. He doesn't love her, he is in love with her sister, and yet she is after him like a psycho. She might not have been in a relationship, but any normal person, which she seemed like once upon a time, would realise that plotting and planning and physically hurting others is not the way to get a man. Everybody else's mistakes and her inexperience of relationships can't justify that.

If Ragini was never portrayed as a lead, and she was portrayed as a villain from the beginning then everyone would hate her actions, but the fact that they portryaed her as an innocent girl has complicated that, because people feel for the old Ragini and therefore are justifying her actions.

As for Swara and Laksh's friendship I don't see any wrong in that, as it was a normal friendship, and there wasn't really a reason for Swara to think Ragini was insecure as Ragini seemed quite happy.

Laksh, Swara and their families all played a part in Ragini's feelings being messed about, and I think everyone feels sorry for her for that, but I still can't find any justification in her actions now.

Ragini also fooled herself. When a man tells you he doesn't love you more than once, and you still hope for a future with him then you're setting yourself up for heartbreak. I hoped she would realise that Laksh can't just fall in love with her within seconds, after having told her they're not matched.

I hoped Sanskaar would be good for Ragini, someone to respect her and love her, but even he turned out to not be good for her.

This show has already gone downhill for me. They didn't need to make Ragini negative, she is a lead, they could've just focused on her character growth and a relationship with Sanskaar. Making one lead negative, splits fan groups and makes shows lose viewers. I thought this show would follow the kind of sisterly love that was shown in Ek Hazaaron, but it has disappointed and become typical.
Edited by butterfly15.. - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: tejaswiniwenham



Lol ya the Marwari clan shrilling about Maas-macchi with harpy voices. Just lol. Besides isn't it much more common for Marwari men to marry Bengali girls? Most of the fuss is about girls marrying out of clan no?


Yes. Maru guy+Non-Maru woman is relatively more common than the other way round. Y'know how it is: Inflow welcomed, outflow stemmed. 😆

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