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Originally posted by: lexy_rix

Krishna feeling emotional about Dwarka meeting its fate,

Kunti, Gandhari & Dhritarashtra want to take sanyaas

And Vrishaketu is born now!!! 🤣

So, who is supposed to raise him if Dwarka is almost nearing its end (which would also mean Pandavas retiring soon after)???

Originally posted by: amritat

Ok...thanks. 😊

So it's clear. Vrishaketu either didnt exist...or even if he did, he had died in the war...n was not important enough to be mentioned...which is y we dont see his name mentioned anywhere after war in Vyas.

Atleast people will not say...that the Pandavas didnt give him throne deliberately...which is a very common question on Quora.

And there seems to be a notion...that Jaimini's Mahabharat is the 'most authentic' version...

And supposedly it is 'pro-Kaurava'. I wonder if the chapters are lost...n only Ashwamedha Parva is available, how come people know it is pro-Kaurava.

Originally posted by: ThePirateKing

Jamini's version ( I hesitate to call that Mahabharat) is actually more detailed. There is a version available in National Archives, but many of the pages are in precarious condition and even the Ashwamedha Parva that is available publicly is slightly distorted from the one that is available in the archives.

No names are mentioned in the pages one can actually touch, but both Karnaputra and Karnapoutra are mentioned. Names may be mentioned in some other leaf which we cannot touch, for the fear of it crumbling.

And as you said Ved Vyas was interested only in the 5 brothers and Draupadi's story and yeah Karna was needed to be mentioned as long as Dury was there. Once the reconciliation happened Karna's family was most probably there but not important to mention.

Of course in whatever I could read the Pandavas do look (especially in Khandava burning and Rajsuya) as imperialistic, but that does not mean its pro-Kaurava. Pandavas were ambitious and expanding their rule and they had powerful friends helping them do that and it was pretty much the norm then.

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

And there seems to be a notion...that Jaimini's Mahabharat is the 'most authentic' version...

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A group,of people or a notion can not be taken into account according to me. Whatever is available as Jaimini Bhrat is so full of distortions.

BORI is the result of. Great research done under VS Sukthankar who checked nearly five hundred sources or more.To me it is authentic.

Southern,Gorakhpur ,Kasmiri,Kumbhakonam. Etc more or less agree on most of the narrative.,though differ in some crucial events.

Loke Bhinna Ruchih . Different mind sets different people,

Every one is free to believe their own version.

I respect Sukthankar and BORI.

So no son of Karna ever existed after war for me.

It is Vajra for Indraprastha

Parikshit for Hastinapur. That's all.

Originally posted by: amritat

I too consider BORI as the most reliable...however, Jaimini's version n the claims of it being 'most authentic' kind of confused me. I would like to find out the credibility of this claim...before dismissing it as myth...😊

Originally posted by: angrani

On quora its mentioned that vrishketu

Is the one succeeded the throne of Anga

And its said he fought behest arjun during ashwamedha yagna

And its also said that babruvahan son of arjun and chitrangadha

Kills vrishketu and arjun

And Krishna revitalize them

Aren't vrishketu and babruvahan mentioned in kmg during ashwamedhparva

And the angapati shlok refers to vrishketu

Or is vrishketu refers to that king of magadh

Because basically karn to was king of some part of magadh malini ...

So can't we conclude that vrishketu too was the magadh king mentioned in Bori version

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Angapatina means by the ruler of Anga Trutiya vibhakti which means by or with is used where Angapati is the word which becomes Angapatina to give the meaning" by Angapati. "You can not separate na . It is the whole sabda in tritiya vibhakti.

Vrishabhena means again Tritiya is used With the bull. Vrishabha means bull. Ketuna means with the standard . Standard means that symbol they have on the flag So it becomes with the standard of the bull. Tritiya vibhakti means by or with.

So with the standard bearing the sign or symbol of a bull.the Magadha king marched. He is called Vrishabhaketu. Means one who has this bull sign on his standard.

Like for example Arjun is Kapiketu,one who has monkey on his standard.

So you can't separate Angapatina like you did. There is no sandhi. It is a complete word with vibhakti ending.

You can not separate Vrishabhena like you did. It is a complete word with Tritiya vibhakti ending.

In MBH so much importance is given to standards. I mean the flag with the sign or symbol.

Hence Vrishaketu never comes into the picture. BORI is crystal clear.

Originally posted by: amritat

I dont rely on Quora much unless the answer is backed with citations or appear thoroughly researched or the person answering is someone I know...I too answer questions there, n have seen many many people giving wrong answers...😭

I think the person giving the answer has mixed up Vyas' Mahabharat with Jaimini.

The story of Vrishaketu going to Ashwamedha Yajna...being killed by Babruvahahana, etc are NOT part of KMG or BORI(please correct me if I am wrong). These stories appear in Jaimini, if I am not mistaken.

Secondly...the citation I provided, where Angapati is mentioned...that is a citation from KMG's Bhishma Parva. During Bhishma Parva, Karna was still alive...so it is unlikely that his son would be called Angapati...although I am not sure.