Let's Speculate 9x09 - Page 2

Originally posted by: PunCassAngel

I don't think Zeke (or whatever nickname Dean would make of Gadreel) is bad. I mean, I don't think he is really bad. So far, he seems to be just another angel who does wrong things for the right reasons - once failed miserably, hopes to fix everything desperately, making the things worse before making them better.

I guess, Zeke's breaking bad was needed in order to bring Cas back to the gang. 1 1/2 good angels on Winchesters' shoulders was too much luxury. Now one is gone, another one is kinda restored and it could go on as remake of season 6 - Dean and Cas will struggle to find who's possesing Sam and how to bring the lost brother back, again. Meanwhile Cas will be doing his best and worst in angelic civil war (just this time on Earth, not in Heaven), eating graces of his enemies from time time to rechage his batteries 😆

Again I guess, for some time Zeke will be doing "certain regrettable things" under Metatron's command, but then his true good nature will eventually win and he either join the Team Freewill or if his crimes will be too heavy he'll sacrifice himself for its cause.

Originally posted by: PunCassAngel

Metatron wrote the tablets. Kevin is/was a kind of Prophet who could read tablets. Besides "God's Words" Metatron also wrote his own "comments" into the main text of tablets. Kevin could read those too. Metatron didn't want Kevin neither translate the User manual of Angels, nor his own (Metatron's) dirty notes. So Kevin must die. As reasonable as that. As simple as that.

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

I understand your point
I can see another end to Zeke.. he might rebel all??
I mean been toyed for so long he might rebel everyone be it the Winchesters or Metatron..
and I guess zeke is REALLY dead in the first place
can it be possible to have 2 angels posses same vessel sametime??😕

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

You are Agnes right??😳

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

Its ONE of a good reason how about this??
Metatron COULD have done something about the tablet itself rather than killing lord's prophet isn't it it would be not the first time that tablet would be lost or broken or something why kill an Innocent pure soul??

Originally posted by: PunCassAngel

No, I'm not Agnes and I wonder why would you think that?
I thought so sorry for the confusion😳


Kevin's death seems to evoke so much emotions. In my opinion, it was tragic, unexpected, and probably unnecessary (though we don't know where plot is heading). But unreasonable? Sorry, no. I guess Metatron had clear reasons to get rid of Kevin. But since Metatron is not good, his reasons need not to be good either 😉
Point. But he could have killed Kevin long ago why wait for till now?? 😕

Tablets are useless without prophet so what's the point to steal them and leaving walking-talking genius Kevin around if he could easily remember the text? And ordering to kill innocent was not a problem for Metatron before, why should it be different now? Metatron is a selfish manipulating douchebag pursing his own agenda, why would anyone expect him to act good anf justly?

Again Point!! but Metatron came to know about the Winchesters long back yet he takes a round about route of getting to Dean via Sam why so?? if killing Kevin was the whole point why possession of Sam needed at all ??😕

Originally posted by: iluvOriginals

Kevin is dead😭

Originally posted by: PunCassAngel

He could rebel, I guess. It would be an interesting turn, since in my opinion so far he did not show any character strength to rebel. But it's Supernatural, after all, anything could happen 😉
But I'd really like him (alone or together with Winchesters and Cas) to kick ass of Metatron and cast that egomaniac to Earth as human 😡

Possesion seems to be a shady thing. I guess it would be highly problematic for a vessel to attempt 2 angels play, because it's been showed that even one at a time could nuke it or at least cause serious damage. Besides 5 season stressed out that there are "true" vessel for each angel - so among the 2 one would be "true" and one "wrong", or 2 "wrongs", both struggle for control? I guess, meatsuit would be turned into meat balls in such situation 😃

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

But he could have killed Kevin long ago why wait for till now??

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

He never showed ANYTHING , let alone strength of character 🤔

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

Although I wonder WHEN did the angel swap happened if that Gadreel is telling right🤔

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

What good would that do ?? if that cunning bureaucrat is admonished to earth or hell or anywhere ??😕

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

what happened to Kevin's Guardian angel ?? remember "each Prophet was tethered to an angel " 😕 where was he when Kevin was being attacked??

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

when there is a demon (Crowley) in a place how can an angel (Zeke/Gadreel) reside for so long and even kill people ?? remember a demon and an angel when they exist in a same space their power clashes and causes annihilation ??😕

Originally posted by: PunCassAngel

Well, Kevin was not too hurry in translating the tablet, and Crowley looked convincing telling Metatron's spell is irreversible. So probably Metatron considered he's safe for that time? But in this episode he had both - the reason (Kevin got back to tablet) and the instrument (Gadreel-infested Sam). Everything was just like in the stories that Metatron is so fond to read, so he jumped to the action.
Point.

What's with getting to Dean via Sam? I'd say Metatron got to Cas via Winchesters in order to gain his grace for a spell. But after that it didn't seem to me like he was interested in Winchesters. And I don't think killing Kevin was the whole point. I guess Kevin was both an obstacle and a tool to manipulate Gadreel. The whole point was/is playing new god 😈

By manipulating Gadreel how and what would he achieve in the "come lets play god" game??😕
It didn't not look to me like Sam's possesion was orchestrated by Metatron. I'd say jail-broken Gadreel possessed Sam, because he wanted to try to do something good - protect Sam to pay his failed protection of the Garden. I'd like to think it this way, because once Sam was already taken by an evil angel, so why not it be imperfect but yet good one for a change? Bored and lonely Metatron just merely took advantage of the situation.

Point. STILL Him possessing Sam wouldn't be that much of a big good deed right?? to risk being exposed or sorts.. I mean Why He chose Sam even?? 😕