Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004
Isn't wielding that supposed "god power" Metatron's 'own secret agenda' ??😕
If he was gonna get bored of being alone, why he took pains to clean the heaven out ??🤔 I mean being megalomaniac notwithstanding he IS a bit cunning. He must have moves of the future steps too right??
It seemed to me that Metatron keeps altering his secret agenda on the go. Chronologically speaking, he worked in heaven's secretary department, then God dragged him up to be his scribe, then God left and Metatron ran away from possible torments of angelic interogating technics. He "lost home" and blamed angels for that. In that time he just wanted to hide, he even turned off his angel radio, cut himself from anyone and anything related to heaven. Period. I guess he didn't plan to return to heaven at that point.
But then he started reading human literature.
A lot. He got fascinated by it and kinda "learnt" how secret agendas can be played out.
Then Winchesters and Cas showed up screaming about Apocalypse. So Metatron saw the opportunity to take revenge on angels in great literature way. To clean heaven was not a pain for him - it was fun, kind of high-profile LARPing. He tricked Cas and enjoyed the process. He mocked Naomi on being "not a good reader" and killed her with her own brainwashing device - very symbolic, isn't it? He dropped angels down and thought he won. Period (again). I think that time he did not plan further.
But then he got bored alone (his words). And my guess that's why started the new game with Gadreel
- to entertain himself.
I don't think he cares to rebuild heaven for heaven sake. I guess he just want to create personal supernatural playground and play God in it for fun only.
Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004
OK , got it . But you really think this "healing Sam from inside " gig was actually taking place??😕
I beg to differ here. there is no question of 'betrayal' from dean in the first place for Gadreel to think so. I mean the very first time when walking out of that hospital the zeke/gadreel Knew what was going on in Dean's mind. and even then he was getting into a reluctant deal. even during many "talks" they had dean kept reiterating that the whole set up was temporary . I mean the angel wasn't blind or something to not see what was happening with Dean and why he did what he did.. isn't it??
First up he Gadreel wasn't doing what he promised in first place second , he saw Metatron to be powerful right now and instantly swapped party thinking only of his redemption. Second , he wasn't doing any favor to dean BUT saving his own skin , so dean can't be said selfish here because Gadreel came willingly to dean's help don't you think ?? besides what could possibly justify Kevin's death by him.. other than his owns elfish motive of redeeming to heaven ? It's metatron , what's the guarentee thatGadreel will be redeemed even ?? it's like he killed some one for nothing 🥱
It all paints him as an opportunist/escapist guy who bails out on others so easily that he isn't no where near being trustworthy.
and all those things you mentioned like solving cases etc.. it was all part of the charade he had to keep up so that Dean keeps trusting him "played him well " line of Gadreel says it all .. who betrayed whom
Sam was clinically braindead with multiple organs failing before Gadreel showed up. And then dude is walking-talking like just recovered from simple flu! I see neither reason nor proof to think Gadreel was not making his part of agreement there. He stated openly that will "heal Sam while healing myself". He did not hide what he'll gain of the situation (healing himself). I see no problem here. He
could be healing Sam, and it
could take that much time. Opposite is possible too of course, but again - no proof 😉
About what I'd consider Dean's betrayal. In my understanding the deal between Zeke/Gadreel and Dean was the following - angel possesses Sam, heals him, heals himself and leaves Sam for good, while Dean
let it all happen. In other words, Dean agreed to accept angelic presence in his brother as long as it takes. My guess that in Gadreel's eyes it would look like Dean
promised to not expell him from Sam.
Think about timing. At first Gadreel looks shocked and scared seeing Metatron. He did not accept Metatron's proposal right away. He didn't drop Sam dead and didn't jump to be new god's second-in-command. Instead he returned to the bunker. He still kept his part of agreement. And then he overhears Dean's plans to get rid of him, with no clue of why! 😲 Remember,
by that time Gadreel had
not harmed neither Dean nor Sam, he had saved Sam's life on several occassions, he had helped solving cases. In fact
by that time the only thing he'd done bad was not saying his real name. But "actions speak louder than words", and by that time Gadreel's actions were just good, who really cares under what name? And after all that Gadreel suddenly hears Dean plots against him! If I were him, I would consider it a betrayal from Dean's side, what else could that be other than a backstub?
So my guess is that Dean's plan was a last straw that made Gadreel submit to Metatron. Gadreel's face expressions, the way he talked to Dean during their last encounter showed there were uneasiness and dissappointment. He did not kill Kevin in cold blood, he did it as burning his bridges. It does not justify the killing, of course, but shows how broken he is, again.
That reminds very much season 4 finale when Sam killed the nurse possessed by Lilith servant before freeing Lucifer - Sam hesitated to do what Ruby told, then heared altered voicemail where "Dean" promised to kill him, and
after that proceed with murder of the nurse and freed the devil.
Sam thought he sacrifies one life for the greater good (stopping the apocalyple). Gadreel thought he's doing the same for rebuilding the heaven. Both are good intentions with awfull consequences.
And I guess when Gadreel said about playing Sam well, he meant only the chat after Dean activated the sigil, i.e. Gadreel pretented to be Sam while Dean was revealing whole possession thing and Zeke being not Zeke. I'm optimist and I think Gadrel
did not pretend to be Sam on other occassions 😳
