Is the Story hinting THE END?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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read Kani's review of the "great escapist"
and on the lines of my other thread about Mytharc similarities...

P.S : ALPHA VAMP has yet to return in season 8..cos he himslef said to dean that they will meet next season...and that might not go well with the boys...(while collecting the "fallen's blood" for making the weapon against dick roman")

what i feel is this...

a] Metatron said to Think ...about choices we make...and what will be the result after we make the choices...going by that...after the third trial is over...Dean will not want to sacrifice sam they might pause for a while before making any decision..and go for not closing the gates...as that would mean no place to go for sinners which would stink up the earth??? and as a result of this...lucifer might get released somehow..unleash the croatoan virus...and lead to the scenario of "The end" ??

b] Charlie asked that would he [ Dean] let go...if sam's condition go outta hands...to which Dean said he wouldn't...never,,,let go of sam...and once they chose NOT to close the gates on hell...may be it will lead to Future Dean who is on a mission to stop samifer??

c] metatron did say the choices themselves make the humans god by creating small dimensional world in themselves...will this be the hint for "winchester gospel " once mentioned somewhere on the show??

d] again if Cas CHOOSE to become mortal to be not affected by the tablet and whatever the after effects of the usage of tablet as if gates of heaven close he might never be on earth again...and its no secret that he loved this place a lot..hence choosing to forego his grace an dangelic powers??...he might end up like the mortal cas in 5x04 the end ...

e] if i am right Future Dean tells the actual dean that Sam Resisted Lucifer for 3 years ...then he snapped...can it be those three years actually these 3 seasons...culminating in the snap of sam next season?? could it be that Sam is so beyond the repairable shape that luci might be the one to restore him...? leading to samifer?? or else in the search of light at the end of tunnel and for goodness of mankind sam sacrifices himself to luci...gain like in swan song?? this will help in supporting the 3 years resistance angle...

f] metatron said he sat back and enjoyed god's naked ape's choices and creations..which wreaked havoc...chaos..and was an "entertainment" to him..but STILL a story was being told..can it be that he was hinting at the CHOICES which might have delayed the route course of destiny...but Still the story being told was already written...hence whatever the choices they take it might end up in the scenario of The End?? even Sam mentions it at the end...of recent episode...

g] could it be that first Joshua...then Chuck...Now Metatron...all are God only in various forms and the brothers not able to recognize them?? cos joshua is the only person in contact with god...Metatron is Scribe who heard lord's commands and wrote it...only he knows the story...
Chuck vanishes in to thin air at the end of Swan Song...could be that's why He made them do away with Amulet...lest it might give away his true identity?? or alter the course much more like the impala in Swan song..leading to much more confusions...and hence he himslef wants the apocalypse to happen..like sorta wiping the slates clean...and a new beginning??

h] in light f all these will there be a concept called FREEWILL really??

i]the sacrifice can be...Sam saying yes to luci...(who is free may be cos of abbadon ?? as she is a sentinal/knight of luci...which will take care of crowley easily..)...Naomi getting her tablet back...and then not bothering anymore about earth ...just like future dean said that angels long lost all hope and interest and just don't bother any more...and dean will deny micheal...
just like Samifer said..."i win ..so i win.".whatever choices he (dean) made he will end up here...

j] what if they can't finish the trials?? i mean what if abbadon is not cured..then the story will be leading to the same scenario as in 5x04
as sam would lose all hope due to crowley undoing all the good deeds they have ever done in coming episode...and losing sight of good v/s bad...and in frustration end up being self-righteous...angry...just like Luci ...as dean said to sam in point of no return episode...in that "i don't believe in you"...scene and as dean will never say yes to micheal..adam will finish the apocalypse as planned before...cos even in swansong i seriously felt the danger was stalled not eradicated...

k] might be that Crowley was their plan B..who knows?? he might all along be either trying to help the boys avoid apocalypse...or he was setting up the stage for the apocalypse all along...readying the right circumstances under which the action could take place...as previous plan was thwarted... and nobody is the wiser to recognise the link from crowley up to luci-mike fight...as he ha s"shown" pretty anti luci...cos it still bothers me how crowley said that his and naomi history goes far in the back upto the babylonian times so obviously he is not the poor tailor from 18th century whose bones castiel burned...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Very interesting speculations, L!

a) I could be wrong (and they haven't mentioned this in detail yet) but I think it's finishing the third trial itself that would close the gates of hell.. Not sure if there's any physical act that the boys would have to perform to then close the gates. As for sinners not going to hell, they could actually make it so closing the gate means it's a one-way gate. Souls can go in but none of the demons can come out of hell back to earth.

b) For some reason, I doubt they would explore Samifer again... they did that in S5 and a bit of S6 so they might not go into it again simply to not be redundant... but it's an interesting theory.. what if Lucifer escapes the cage?

c) Good point. People do change their 'destinies.' The Winchesters did, so did Castiel. It's the choices you make that determine your fate.

d) I too have thought about this. If they shut the gates of heaven along with hell then Cas would have to return... By now, he clearly knows that the angels agenda is so totally different from his, so he probably would not want to return. Would he have to give up his angelic status for that? I guess we'll see.

e) So see this is confusing to me... Physically, yes, Sam's health is getting worse and worse. But in the last episode, he himself said that the tials are restoring him, they are purifying him. So I guess it's soul vs. body here? I'm sure they'll clarify it soon.

f) So you're considering The End as in the end of the world? I think when Sam said they're nearing The End, he meant the end of the trials... not really the end as in Michael-Lucifer showdown.

g) So Joshu and Metatron being God... that I understand but Chuck being God is something I haven't been able to wrap my head around. Cas has, on several occasions, mentioned that the names of the prophets are seared into his brain and he clearly recognized Chuck as a prophet. So how can he be God? And yes, it's possible that God himself did that to elude the angels. But why? He's God, after all, why would he want to appear as a prophet?

h) I think it's always been more about family more than free will anyway. The boys always choose family over anything... Same's true with Cas, as for him and the brothers, they are really family.

i) Again, I really do doubt that the Lucifer-Michael scenario will play out again.. but let's see.

j) Not closing the gates of hell is a serious possibility. As it's been foreshadowed a few times already... it's all about what they are willing to sacrifice to close the gates of hell? If it's Sam's life, Dean will definitely be against it. Would it be Swan Song all over again? Dean asking Sam not to, but Sam does it anyway.

k) Crowley and Naomi's history bothers me too... they've talked about it a few times and I hope they elaborate on that soon. What's up with Naomi anyway? What's her real agenda?
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Very interesting speculations, L!

a) I could be wrong (and they haven't mentioned this in detail yet) but I think it's finishing the third trial itself that would close the gates of hell.. Not sure if there's any physical act that the boys would have to perform to then close the gates. As for sinners not going to hell, they could actually make it so closing the gate means it's a one-way gate. Souls can go in but none of the demons can come out of hell back to earth.
you think so?? Now ...its becoming more interesting...well do you remember kevin saying that the tablet has instruction about god's obstacle course..after which they will get further instructions...so first they had to finish the 3 trials..so i thought may be there is something more to do after trial...but going by the time left and number of episodes...i doubt anything else is there now...
b) For some reason, I doubt they would explore Samifer again... they did that in S5 and a bit of S6 so they might not go into it again simply to not be redundant... but it's an interesting theory.. what if Lucifer escapes the cage?
i acknowledge the fact that it would be like flogging the dead horse...if they take up luci again..but luci is known to have escaped his cage once before...and he is STILL a significant an dangerous player on board whom we can't ignore an dforget...or sideline..
c) Good point. People do change their 'destinies.' The Winchesters did, so did Castiel. It's the choices you make that determine your fate.
if so then y did he hinted that the scrip is already written irrespective of decision and routes one takes am so excited to know more about winchester gospels 😃 may be the series of books carver edlund/chuck wrote is the gospels??? 😕
d) I too have thought about this. If they shut the gates of heaven along with hell then Cas would have to return... By now, he clearly knows that the angels agenda is so totally different from his, so he probably would not want to return. Would he have to give up his angelic status for that? I guess we'll see.
this is one of the reasons am thinking "the end" will feature..otherwise cas will not forego his powers so easily in middle of a war..when without powers he is just a baby in a trench coat...any way he needs power in present circumstances..
e) So see this is confusing to me... Physically, yes, Sam's health is getting worse and worse. But in the last episode, he himself said that the tials are restoring him, they are purifying him. So I guess it's soul vs. body here? I'm sure they'll clarify it soon.
but then again..soul v/s body has been dealt all through s6-7...so it would be redundant right?
f) So you're considering The End as in the end of the world? I think when Sam said they're nearing The End, he meant the end of the trials... not really the end as in Michael-Lucifer showdown.
no..no..i am just thinking the story development and the next stage of story...how it could all lead to the situation shown in "The End"...dean dying at the end...may not be necessary...it can be that dean leading a rebellion be an entire season's focus..😕 you never know..you are right he meant the trials...but after trials what?? it has to lead somewhere right??
g) So Joshu and Metatron being God... that I understand but Chuck being God is something I haven't been able to wrap my head around. Cas has, on several occasions, mentioned that the names of the prophets are seared into his brain and he clearly recognized Chuck as a prophet. So how can he be God? And yes, it's possible that God himself did that to elude the angels. But why? He's God, after all, why would he want to appear as a prophet?
well cas is STILL an angel of lower order...and we are talking about god...he might have hoodwinked the angel...and yeah the NAME is seared...but what is the guarantee that HE is CHUCK?? nobody has seen chuck before right?? who has ever been able to guess god's moves??
h) I think it's always been more about family more than free will anyway. The boys always choose family over anything... Same's true with Cas, as for him and the brothers, they are really family.
that's y the free will matters here...chosing family when you are being driven up teh wall to chose otherwise IS freewill isn't it??
i) Again, I really do doubt that the Lucifer-Michael scenario will play out again.. but let's see.
me too doubtful..but so many striking hints to that scenario..😲
j) Not closing the gates of hell is a serious possibility. As it's been foreshadowed a few times already... it's all about what they are willing to sacrifice to close the gates of hell? If it's Sam's life, Dean will definitely be against it. Would it be Swan Song all over again? Dean asking Sam not to, but Sam does it anyway.
foreshadowed?? how so?? i guess i missed something here??
exactly..the cost is very serious here...exactly dean will put his foot down on the issue..i too am worried that it would happpen so..but it would be like repeat...which i hope seriously they will avoid..but that's so so dean and sam's nature..am seriously worried..how about dean sacrificing himself to avoid sam doing anything stupid?? like role reversal of swan song?? cos he said he will go out with a gun in hand while sam should live a normal life..and to dean its pretty much suicide mission..
k) Crowley and Naomi's history bothers me too... they've talked about it a few times and I hope they elaborate on that soon. What's up with Naomi anyway? What's her real agenda?
hope they do..but looking at the platter now...its highly doubtful they will reveal it or not..may be they are gonna play it out slowly in the next season??? i guess Naomi is just another wannabe god...unlike cas had become for a while..but with a purpose.. abscence of a boss can lead to seat usurpation attempts right??

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