Was Omni right about breach of our privacy? - Page 9

Originally posted by: Closed...

I think the DT members and the Higher DT should question this 'Sanju' member themselves as she won't take us seriously... Since she is the one who spread this and put this "accusation" on the DT members and on this site, I think you should ask her directly to come clear .If she is lying, we members expect a public apology or consequence to this of some sort because this is a serious matter and I don't think anybody likes to think that they are under the scanner, being scrutinized, violated, and stalked on a public portal which guarentee's personal privacy..

^^Olive_rose - I do agree TM shouldn't be blamed and I don't think anyone has blamed them but lets not turn the guns toward Sanju alone as the Radha part was not mentioned by her. It was brought by TM only from what I know so only she/he is reliable for it. Its also very serious allegation hence we need proof/evidence or she/he should take it back and apology!

Closed - I will PM Sanju to verify her accusation.

Sharing members PM with fellow members are not allowed and its a serious concern which need to be looked into and make sure its not repeated EVER!

However its not possible to read members PM and its something I can give assurance for as I wouldn't be a moderator or member of this site if that was the case. Privacy is important than anything else here and if it was violated, I wouldn't even be part of this forum.

Everyone is innocent until PROVEN guilty so lets not accuse without proof/evidence to back up our accusations and allegations!

Originally posted by: MP_Radha

Since my name has been brought in here (as well as in a thread sometimes back from an MID), I think its about time I break my silence and also raise some points! When one is being prosecuted about something, then they (themselves)have theRIGHT tosee SOLID EVIDENCE and NOT have to answer any questions based on "news that float"! After all,it's notnew that one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty!

Having said that, can you guys PLEASE POST DIRECT EVIDENCE (i.e. screen shot) of the following content I'm beingaccused of having posted in a confidential space:

1. warn all her DTs members how she 'knew' about the DT members who leaked some 'DT strike protest' to Omnipotence!

2. She also created a thread about it in the viewbies section

Since the DT leaker is the ONLY source who would have provided this information, can you guysFIRST NAME THE DT and bring her/ him right here! For all I care, it could be someone who has issues with me within the DT clan and wanted to just feed false information to members! Of course majority of the DT are united and agree upon a lot of things together, so why is it that ONLY I'm being targeted about the above! The only person who can answer this is the DT who provided all this information and we want him/ her to come out and directly enlighten us all!

It would have been a different case if any particular DT was openly targeted (with their name revealed), and then who evertargets themwould be answerable to this persondirectly (and only them, i.e. this DT). SoI would really love to have an open discussion with this DT particular member right here as this rumor must have stirred as a result of this DT member (as ONLY DTs have access to the Viewbie Section)!

And READING PMs? Perhaps a reality check needs to be done before accusing unnecessary and twisting stories!I have no objection and by all means would want to have others investigate this matter, but with SOLID EVIDENCE! Till then, I am notanswerable to such assumptions andunnecessary accusations.

So coming to Privacy and Confidentiality!Personal Messages when NOT ADDERSSED TO ONE should NOT be read at all! As such,a DT sharing members PMs with other members isagainst the code of conductfor a DT the SAME WAY it is for a DT to leak confidential content! So technically shouldn't theDT who LEAKED the contentalso be SUBJECTED to punishment as well! But are people wanting to protect the DT who supposedly hadleaked confidential content and just throw accusations at others?

Anyway, hope you guys can provide the necessary evidences along with who is responsible for providing the news that are claimingto be floating, be it in the accusation against me and/ or the content posted by the member Sanju_! After all, one should have their FACTS RIGHT before accusing others of having done something!

@ Persphone: Not just you, but all DTs have NO ACCESS to PMs of members!

Originally posted by: Aahaana

Hey everyone,

@ Topicmaker: You have made serious allegations against Radha. You claimed she informed all other DTs about who leaked confidential matters but do you have any evidence or proof to verify your accusations against her? You wrote news are "floating" around hence I assume you heard it from someone without checking whether it's valid since according to your post, even you yourself aren't sure about it. Provide the evidence before accusing someone unnecessarily!
With regards to the moderator who shared the PM with a regular member, if this person should be stripped off their rights then I guess it's fair that the mod who leaked info MUST also be demoted and banned since contents from viewbie section were leaked which in itself is an extremely SERIOUS offense.

And what is all this assumption about DT reading PMs? None of the DTs can read members PM inbox/ outbox including the admin group. Until recently I thought it could be possible but that was not the case. Private messages cannot be read due to the violation of privacy and the IF COC is outdated and by now all members should know that. Site owner has been informed to edit it so we just have to wait for the editing.

Just think before accusing anyone - if it was possible to read members PMs, don't you all think many of us may not be here today? So before we go any further why don't you guys NAME THE MODERATOR who gave all this detail. Why don't you guys bring that moderator and let's bring it all out in the open. We can directly mediate through this so called moderator. It's rather hypocritical because according to you guys leaking DT confidential matter is alright s simply because that particular DT is being favorable to you but you want to go ahead and blame others for something that wasn't done.

And can the member "Sanju" show screenshots and reveal the DTs name who shared PM content with her to us via PM? If you don't use evidence with your reasons to accuse people, then you are simply trying to defame someone due to some personal vengeance! Let's not accuse anyone without solid proof! Henceforth any accusations against anyone should be backed up with evidence and source otherwise it will just be closed and not entertained! It applies to any complaints against any member/DT and admin!

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

A few things that I'd like to point out.

1. If the TM or other members in this thread came across this information regarding DT access to PMs on July 2nd, why did they wait 4 days before alerting anyone to the issue? Why wasn't the DT PMed right away and made aware of this possible breach of member privacy the minute it was found? If it was because the DT was not trusted and members feared that this information will be buried internally if it was PMed to the DT members, then why wasn't this thread made earlier? I am sure that we all agree with the seriousness of this issue even if we may not agree with all else. So why the wait?

2. So far, all I see is hearsay. A member "Sanju_" was adamant that DT can read PMs because some unnamed DT shared some PMs with her. Then another member is certain that Radha made posts warning all DT members about the leak in the viewbie section based on allegations "floating" around IF. And in all this, neither the DT who shared the PM nor the one who initiated this "floating" rumor of threads in the viewbie section has been named. No screen shots to prove any access of any DT member to any PM has been provided. And yet the onus falls on the DT to DEFEND themselves WITH PROOF against allegations that are made without credible proof or witness? If we are going to be the torch bearers of the free world and civil rights here, then do explain how a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset is NOW acceptable? And how it is acceptable to be accused by someone we cannot defend against or question? And be considered guilty based on evidence no one has been able to examine? There is NO witness i.e. the DT who claims to have seen these PMs nor one who claims to have seen the alleged thread in the viewbie section, NO evidence i.e. screen shots of posts/PMs to prove us guilty and NO accuser i.e. the people who put forth these "floating rumors". And the onus falls on US to defend ourselves?

3. If this alleged DT is so concerned about the rights of members over their own tag, then I am sure THEY will have NO hesitation coming forth and shutting us all up once and for all. So please, do come on this forum and tell all of us (members and DT alike) HOW member PMs are accessed by a DT and where this alleged thread by Radha is in the forum. We'd very much like to hear - I am sure even if this results in a stripping of their DT rights, they won't consider it a loss because their testimony will provide credible proof to the members and prove us to be the lying scumbags everyone is so certain we are. So take one for the greater good of the members of IF, be the HERO they want you to be and STEP UP.

4. This alleged strike that everyone keeps bringing up - if this happened, it was an entirely internal matter with in the development team of IF. I am not sure how it would concern or even affect the member if a DT was unavailable due to strike versus being unavailable due to vacation. The only thing that would matter is that the DT would be unavailable for a certain period of time and that time would have been outlined for all members prior to the DT's leave. But apart from that, why this supposed "strike" would concern members it doesn't relate to is something I am sure we'd like to know more about. And why we'd be "liars" for not discussing internal moderation matters with members is another one of those conundrums we'd certainly like to hear more about. Just like members expect that their discussions with the DT members regarding issues be kept confidential and limited to only those it concerns, similarly issues that are discussed and occur between DT members and the admins of this site are only for their knowledge and have no relevance for anyone else on this site. Yet the former is bound by an expectation of privacy and the later is expected to be touted from a blow horn?

5. If the "private message" is considered PRIVATE based on who can access it and not simply by having the word "private" in the name, then I would assume that access restriction on certain forum make content of that forum PRIVATE for those who can access those forums only. If "access restriction" is the hallmark by which we judge privacy then I would hope that the access restriction of DT forums for regular members implies that content with in those forums is PRIVATE and to be shared only with those that can ACCESS the forum. But if access restrictions mean nothing then I guess the PMs are "private" for all intents and purposes simply because they have the word "private" in them and that should suffice. Why demand access restrictions when it's clear that they are not respected on this forum?

So lets put to rest the hearsay and the blame game, bring forth the proof and the witnesses and be ready to argue the case. If members are willing to spearhead serious allegations on an open forum against other members, then please be prepared to back them up with proof. The burden does not fall on the defendant to prove innocence but rather the prosecutor to prove guilt through credible proof and witness testimonies. But until such time that members are ready to put money where their mouth is, lets not hurl accusations simply to defame people or sensationalize another "evil big brother" story. 😊