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Posted: 8 years ago

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It was a path crossing episode where Sita tells the truth of their father to Luv-Kush. In front of them she tells that Ram is their father and she does not want them to fight their father. Actually Luv-Kush goes from there listening to her.

But Sita the mother is dejected. Dejected that Ram didn't ask her how is she. He didn't move forward to hug his children. He stood so distant from them. She laments he is no longer the Ram who has crossed the ocean for her.

On the other hand Ram comes back. He discusses with his family, his brothers Guru Vashisth on seeing Sita. His happiness to know she is fine. He tells the youngsters are his kids. He is happy. Queens are happy to see their son so happy. Even Vashisth is happy to see Ram like this.

Now Luv Kush comes hearing their mother's lament. Hearing it they are angry once again. Already they have a feeling of injustice done to their mother. Sita tries to intervene. Tell them they are Raghuvanshi. But the boys go and take pledge that from today they are Sita's sons only. Their gotra is mother's gotra. They break all relations with Rajaram. Note the point relations with Rajaram. Again note the point Ram is not Siyaram is what Sita says.

Issue is did Sita address Ram as Raghunandan. No. She addressed him as king and he behaved like a king. Unless she behaves like a wife, how does she expect him to behave like a husband. Somewhere the anger resides in Sita also of that banishment. That's why Raghunandan didn't come from her mouth.

So when does acceptance happen. When she realizes the truth of Ram, the truth that he was always Siyaram above Rajaram. Once he becomes Siyaram, once the kids realize he is Siyaram they will accept him. So now her fight is to know Siyaram. Go back to the dialogue Sita tells when she enters Ayodhya as a new bride. It seems like I have not yet understood Raghunandan. Same thing, she has not yet understood her husband. His intentions. Maya still binds her. The reason for the Maya is without that Maya she wont fight. If she knew he is Siyaram she wont fight. The feeling of Rajaram has to be there for her to fight, for her to establish herself, vindicate herself and give their children their due right. With present Raghukul ki maryada Ram cannot do it. For it to change he needs support of Sita in the direction he has kept.

Now where is the path crossing coming. Dasrath doesn't understand Kaikeyi. Her need for acknowledgement in the relation. Her need to get her son's right. Kaikeyi shows Dasrath who she is by demanding the 2 boons. What happens there. Ram bows before Kaikeyi. But Bharath he goes against Kaikeyi. But the net result is Bharath stands with Ram, his rights which is dharma. World only sees Kaikeyi's problem here. When Bharath says Kaikeyi is kumatha everyone is happy. Kaikeyi deserves this because she demanded the boons to satisfy her Mahatwakamsha. Kaikeyi the mother is rejected, Dasrath goes scott free.

Now the same society who put the blame on Kaikeyi can they take the blame on Ram now. When Luv-Kush reject's Ram do we feel the same. Or we say Sita didn't bring up her children right, they are rejecting their father. Here also people usually will love to keep the blame on woman only. Sita is responsible for Luv-Kush rejecting Ram, not Ram's actions. Because society loves to blame woman for everything while man goes scott free.

It cannot happen. The rejection of Ram by Luv-kush is exactly the same way Bharath rejects Kaikeyi the action which they perceive as adharma seeing only one side of the coin. Bharath also sees Kaikeyi's part only, not the emotional atyachaar his father did on his mom.

We can see the parallel of Kaikeyi waiting for her son and Bharath rejecting her. Here Ram is rejoicing in bringing back Sita and kids while kids reject Ram. Now the question is how in the society that puts blame on woman alone, Hari ensures not a finger is pointed at his wife. When will Sita realize what her Raghunandan wanted.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

What a path crossing. Dasrath -Kaikeyi Bharath. Ram-Sita Luv kush. Posting analysis soon.

@Sanju most probably she will have to go to Ayodhya. If the society questions the paternity of luv-kush can a mother take it sitting. She has to establish her son's paternity and that is her battle. She will establish it and she will reject the society that questioned her. Bhoomi pravesh has to be rejection, solid brutal rejection of Ayodhya's society by Mahalakshmi



Shruthi, waiting to read your analysis of today's episode to get some light on both Sita and Ram's reactions.
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@divine ram Ram knows Sita wont come. But kids, kids has to come right. Without her how will the kids get her right. Also in the palace he cannot tell he will brings kids alone, it has to be Sita and kids. The drama unfolding is the right of the kids
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Posted: 8 years ago
Guys watched Behadh. Superb concept and screenplay. Need some real time to analyze it
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I read the wu of behadh yesterday. Pls inform us if u will start writing there
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@divine ram Ram knows Sita wont come. But kids, kids has to come right. Without her how will the kids get her right. Also in the palace he cannot tell he will brings kids alone, it has to be Sita and kids. The drama unfolding is the right of the kids



Now it makes a lot of sense on why ram spoke the way he spoke.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@divine ram Ram knows Sita wont come. But kids, kids has to come right. Without her how will the kids get her right. Also in the palace he cannot tell he will brings kids alone, it has to be Sita and kids. The drama unfolding is the right of the kids



I understand what you are saying. But why does he say we will unite forever and no one can separate us. 😕
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Beautiful post as usual Shruthi di

I understood sita's words but got a better understanding after reading your post, for Sita Ram has always been Praja ke Ram in Ayodhya, but vanvasi Ram was Sita's Ram hence the idol she made is also of Vanvasi Ram isn't it?

But the fact she's unaware of is that at every moment Ram is Siya Ke Ram.. not only the Ram who lifted the Shiv Dhanush for her, crossed ocean for her, but also that Ram who had abandoned her not only due to Rajdharma but to mend her life, to prove her chastity, to keep her away from vicious society n to fight a silent war against the society rules..
(we saw that perfectly in Raj sabha where he puts his wife's stature above him, calling her his existence) not to forget praja n Dhobi made Ram leave his throne for Sita, but it was the society n kul ke rules which made him exile her.. We saw all this..

but Sita didn't see it yet! She hasn't got the answer why Ram blindfoldedly sent her away? Was he angry or didn't trust her? Was that gold statue he made just for the sake of his vachan palan to her, or for his ardent love for her?
She is indeed yet to know him!




Lav Kush Hanuman scene was cute 😛
But LK don't know dat Ram only sent Hanuman to protect them as maruti 😉



But Di even i could not understand Ram, for the first time actually... after reading your post I understood but not all viewers get to read your post!
I loved the AP sequence in SKR where they showed what Ram was thinking, also his decision of exiling Sita was perfect except for one loose end of why he abandoned her blindfolded... why didn't he let her meet her? Which I was expecting them to reveal now, but it hasn't come yet..
I felt like if they have a narrator or simply the way they showed during AP , 2 Ram's n his delimma, or even Ram's talk with the Sita residing in his soul, it would have had a great effect of how he wants both LK n Sita to get their rights... there was definitely an execution mistake for me today...




BTW di the first scene after leap where Ram Sita stand near the hand impressions of Sita, Sita says with time their love has faded, but Ram tells her that his love for her can't fade ever...
So is it that scene we will be getting in elaboration now, as Sita is yet to trust him completely and he needs to make her realize his love for her?



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Beautiful post as usual Shruthi di

I understood sita's words but got a better understanding after reading your post, for Sita Ram has always been Praja ke Ram in Ayodhya, but vanvasi Ram was Sita's Ram hence the idol she made is also of Vanvasi Ram isn't it?

But the fact she's unaware of is that at every moment Ram is Siya Ke Ram.. not only the Ram who lifted the Shiv Dhanush for her, crossed ocean for her, but also that Ram who had abandoned her not only due to Rajdharma but to mend her life, to prove her chastity, to keep her away from vicious society n to fight a silent war against the society rules..
(we saw that perfectly in Raj sabha where he puts his wife's stature above him, calling her his existence) not to forget praja n Dhobi made Ram leave his throne for Sita, but it was the society n kul ke rules which made him exile her.. We saw all this..

but Sita didn't see it yet! She hasn't got the answer why Ram blindfoldedly sent her away? Was he angry or didn't trust her? Was that gold statue he made just for the sake of his vachan palan to her, or for his ardent love for her?
She is indeed yet to know him!




Lav Kush Hanuman scene was cute 😛
But LK don't know dat Ram only sent Hanuman to protect them as maruti 😉



But Di even i could not understand Ram, for the first time actually... after reading your post I understood but not all viewers get to read your post!
I loved the AP sequence in SKR where they showed what Ram was thinking, also his decision of exiling Sita was perfect except for one loose end of why he abandoned her blindfolded... why didn't he let her meet her? Which I was expecting them to reveal now, but it hasn't come yet..
I felt like if they have a narrator or simply the way they showed during AP , 2 Ram's n his delimma, or even Ram's talk with the Sita residing in his soul, it would have had a great effect of how he wants both LK n Sita to get their rights... there was definitely an execution mistake for me today...




BTW di the first scene after leap where Ram Sita stand near the hand impressions of Sita, Sita says with time their love has faded, but Ram tells her that his love for her can't fade ever...
So is it that scene we will be getting in elaboration now, as Sita is yet to trust him completely and he needs to make her realize his love for her?




I really hope SKR show the kids how Ram protected Sita and them. Its because of Ram hanuman stayed with them till now. It was his order and there is a reason why Ram told hanuman not to tell anyone about this.
Edited by divine_ram - 8 years ago
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@aditi I loved your questions and I am happy you bought the fading hand prints part. Actually I dont think CVs mistake has been there today.
Thing is the drama that is to unfold and I feel this is the real twist of SKR or real Siya Ke Ram, a new perspective in itself. Hari's Maya cannot open to viewers. Because if they open it up mostly the undekha pehlu will go. They have kept that part guarded is what I feel. AP was not perception breaking.
But Bhoomipravesh is perception breaking that is the difference you have to understand in both. I didnt wanted to put it in today's analysis but your question forced me to put it.For Ram it is very essential the perception is kept at all levels. So each dialogue we have to understand from above and its intend. From above he is behaving like a man rejoiced in seeing his wife and kids. We need to know the sainiks were there with Ram. They also have seen Sita. They also have understood who the kids is. News will spread will wildfire in Ayodhya Sita is in jungle, she has 2 boys, raghuvansh has heir to the throne. Sita needs to be back will come from praja and soon the royal family will also know of it. So should the family know from him first or from praja. From him right. And when he tells can he be sad and tell. Or like a normal human who sees his wife and kids safe after 12 years tell. he does the latter. They are all rejoicing

Sita yes she had only seen Ram. A man with no major responsibilities. At that time he was completely devoted to her. But the man who handles praja and her, his choices were different. If both has to happen he needed her support also. That is actually the growth for a girl from a girl to woman. To understand a man, his obligations when he becomes a son, a professional, brother along with being a husband. Many girls miss on this aspect when they are in love, when they only see their lovers face and not his other roles. When I have written the fiction Seven Vows I had clearly tried to bring the difference in Sreedhar and Sreedhar Varma. Sreedhar Suman's love, Sreedhar Varma along with her love, a son, a brother and belonging to a prominent family

@divine ram he said Ram-Siya can never be seperated again. Centuries have gone by. Has anyone able to seperate Sita from Ram or Ram from Sita. No right. He didnt mean the physical union, he meant their union that transcends the physical and emotional realm to the spiritual realm. Yes everyone thinks that dialogue in the physical sense.

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