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Posted: 8 years ago
Watching today's epsiode I was discussing with Aditi Di were the CV's right. U bring out the positivity shruthi Di.👏
Meghana Di and aditi Di thks for asking such questions which cleared my doubts too.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Sanju the new show Behadh is poora ka poora perception ka khel hai. The leading lady's name is Maya illusion, the parallel lead is Saanjh or twilight another illusion the point where day and night meet.
And the leading man Arjun. What a name trapped between the illusion of material world and the world of relation. Trapped between Maya and Sanjh. And his profession. Photography. And Saanjh is a lawyer Phew. I am like whistling at the concept. Hope the CVs can keep it in the TRP game.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@aditi I loved your questions and I am happy you bought the fading hand prints part. Actually I dont think CVs mistake has been there today.

Thing is the drama that is to unfold and I feel this is the real twist of SKR or real Siya Ke Ram, a new perspective in itself. Hari's Maya cannot open to viewers. Because if they open it up mostly the undekha pehlu will go. They have kept that part guarded is what I feel. AP was not perception breaking.
But Bhoomipravesh is perception breaking that is the difference you have to understand in both. I didnt wanted to put it in today's analysis but your question forced me to put it.For Ram it is very essential the perception is kept at all levels. So each dialogue we have to understand from above and its intend. From above he is behaving like a man rejoiced in seeing his wife and kids. We need to know the sainiks were there with Ram. They also have seen Sita. They also have understood who the kids is. News will spread will wildfire in Ayodhya Sita is in jungle, she has 2 boys, raghuvansh has heir to the throne. Sita needs to be back will come from praja and soon the royal family will also know of it. So should the family know from him first or from praja. From him right. And when he tells can he be sad and tell. Or like a normal human who sees his wife and kids safe after 12 years tell. he does the latter. They are all rejoicing

Sita yes she had only seen Ram. A man with no major responsibilities. At that time he was completely devoted to her. But the man who handles praja and her, his choices were different. If both has to happen he needed her support also. That is actually the growth for a girl from a girl to woman. To understand a man, his obligations when he becomes a son, a professional, brother along with being a husband. Many girls miss on this aspect when they are in love, when they only see their lovers face and not his other roles. When I have written the fiction Seven Vows I had clearly tried to bring the difference in Sreedhar and Sreedhar Varma. Sreedhar Suman's love, Sreedhar Varma along with her love, a son, a brother and belonging to a prominent family

@divine ram he said Ram-Siya can never be seperated again. Centuries have gone by. Has anyone able to seperate Sita from Ram or Ram from Sita. No right. He didnt mean the physical union, he meant their union that transcends the physical and emotional realm to the spiritual realm. Yes everyone thinks that dialogue in the physical sense.



Now I can see the episode in a much better light 😃

So basically the Ram who was with Hanuman in the first scene, who laments about him being abhaga pati n pita was the one we have been seeing since UK, the real Ram, but this changed Ram (that too so sudden) was Ram trying to creat a perception of him being a normal happy husband n father who wishes to reunite with his family..
but the real Ram knows that he is still an abhaga pati as Sita will have to stay away from him..

By creating perception of him being happy n hopeful he will make his mothers , brothers n praja too hopeful to get Sita LK back, but he knows perfectly that Sita will not come back and finally give justice to all the women of society, wen LK's legitimacy is questioned...

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I think we were given enough hints for Ram creating perception, but I couldn't decode them.

First was if his moh for Sita n LK had really overcome him then why didn't he rush to them at that moment when he saw them.
When Hanuman asked him to repent and bring them back , why didn't he go then itself... why he went to palace? As he wanted a perception to be created.
In palace he said "Sita is alive😲!?" to his mothers, of course he already knows she's alive and protected due to Hanuman (which no1 else in palace knows)
Really Hari ki Maya !!
Thank u for making me understand Shruthi di 😳


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Posted: 8 years ago
Sanju thank u to u too, we had discussed earlier so discussed properly with Shruthi di 😃


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Posted: 8 years ago
The name Analogy was too good shruthi di. After skr I might not watch anything till board exams are over. This is interesting will follow the updates. I always wanted to watch a show with such perceptions and saanjh is lawyer it makes it all the more better

Since u mentioned gotras in today's analysis, I heard somewhere Vishnu gotra and shiv gotra. I thought only these exist. Is there more to it?
Aditi di thanks again 🤗
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Shruthi , Iam writing this post from Sita's point of view... Sita never loved just only a single aspect of Ram. Her perceptions were varied even before she met him. His saving the horse's life, his compassion towards Ahalya and his killing of Taaraka all established his qualities as a warrior with a respect for life of every being and his infinite compassion for a woman whom society considered impure, collectively increased her interest in him. His love for her after their marriage and his respect for her as an individual reiterated her understanding of him. His conversations with her even during the first vanvass was open and without any hidden layers. This love of his gave her the strength to withstand the atrocities in Lanka with dignity and courage and to repel Ravan's torture with the unshakable conviction that Ram would come for her. Her belief in him was unshaken even when she decided to take the agni pareeksha .But in spite of that she was sent away in the middle of night .She understood a king's decision, but the emergence of secretiveness in their relationship would have caused her untold hurt... she has suffered the consequences of a king's decision but she has not been privy to a husband's pain or even his guilt, till she heard him. When she saw him after 12 years, she saw the king who had come to fight her sons and not her husband who didn't even acknowledge her sons...can we even understand the depth of anguish of a wife and mother? She understands her husband as much as he knows her. But if she is not able to look past her hurt ,Ram is also not able to break the shackles of kul and raj dharm .
That is the beauty of Ram and Sita ,they both are bound by their human qualities of being not being perfect. How can we forget that Hari's maya is as incomplete without Prakriti's contribution as much as her manifestation is impossible without Hari's instigation of it?
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Originally posted by: avalonhigh1234

Shruthi , Iam writing this post from Sita's point of view... Sita never loved just only a single aspect of Ram. Her perceptions were varied even before she met him. His saving the horse's life, his compassion towards Ahalya and his killing of Taaraka all established his qualities as a warrior with a respect for life of every being and his infinite compassion for a woman whom society considered impure, collectively increased her interest in him. His love for her after their marriage and his respect for her as an individual reiterated her understanding of him. His conversations with her even during the first vanvass was open and without any hidden layers. This love of his gave her the strength to withstand the atrocities in Lanka with dignity and courage and to repel Ravan's torture with the unshakable conviction that Ram would come for her. Her belief in him was unshaken even when she decided to take the agni pareeksha .But in spite of that she was sent away in the middle of night .She understood a king's decision, but the emergence of secretiveness in their relationship would have caused her untold hurt... she has suffered the consequences of a king's decision but she has not been privy to a husband's pain or even his guilt, till she heard him. When she saw him after 12 years, she saw the king who had come to fight her sons and not her husband who didn't even acknowledge her sons...can we even understand the depth of anguish of a wife and mother? She understands her husband as much as he knows her. But if she is not able to look past her hurt ,Ram is also not able to break the shackles of kul and raj dharm .
That is the beauty of Ram and Sita ,they both are bound by their human qualities of being not being perfect. How can we forget that Hari's maya is as incomplete without Prakriti's contribution as much as her manifestation is impossible without Hari's instigation of it?
Savita


Agree word by word
It's the secretiveness which has created mistrust in her heart...
She has 2 questions
1) why was she sent away without any information blindfolded, why didn't Ram give her an opportunity to see him atleast the last time!? Didn't he trust her, was he angry?
2) And his act will prove her to be impure, world will say Sita was impure...
Her questions remain same!

Of course she knows Ram will be sad after she leaves, as he too loved her, no doubt in that, but she hasn't seen the intensity of his love which unfolded beautifully after he exiled her... His silent war with his praja n society rules which questioned her chastity.

I was expecting the answers to start unfolding by now, but seems it will take time...

We as viewers know that Ram had taken an oath to prove Sita pure(no1 else saw) , that was a big reason as to why he exiled her, to prove her chastity... it was a silent war he was fighting since 12 years by staying as a loner and not marrying and finally by his words about Sita in the Rajsabha n by making her golden statue has already proved her chaste, already made people respect her sacrifice (even more than his) , which was the fulfillment of his oath and answer to her second question..
but Sita hasn't seen this.

And the first question as to why he left her clueless, even we viewers are waiting for that. I hope Cvs haven't forgotten 😆😆


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And it's not the first time I am seeing or sensing this mistrust from Sita. When LK ask her questions abt Ram , she too stands still after a point of tym as she too has same questions. And when she saw her gold statue, I saw the Kali in her vanished but I felt like her expressions were not that much devoted as it used to be earlier in Lanka kand.
Also to Valmiki she addressed Ram not as Raghnandan but Prabhu Shri Ram.
When she heard about Hanuman staying as maruti , she didn't think about Ram but about Hanuman 's devotion for her, she asked him abt Ram and heard abt his pain, but as said her questions weren't answered yet..
It's just when she saw Ram after a long time as Raja Ram, her feelings out bursted

Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Savitha you penned down Sita beautifully. Yes Mahalakshmi knows everything, but Sita has to show the human qualities, which she does yesterday by telling whom she saw is Rajaram and not Siyaram.
@aditi to understand Ram, you have to understand Krishna and his actions which start even before the Kurushetra war. The way he puts in place things for the final confrontation. First sending Panchali as Arjun's bride. It is Krishna who makes her reject Karna. He knows without Panchali no scope for Pandavas. Sending Subhadra with Arjun. He knows the son born to them is going to be Arjun's protection, also it helps him not to be choose between his sister and friend. If she marries Duri Krishna will have a tough choice. Choose sis or friend as they will be on both sides. Which brother wants to make his sis a widow. Sends Arjuna for tapasys to Shiva to get the pasupathastra. No clue given why Arjuna needs Pasupathastra.
Tells Karna his birth secret and weaken him emotionally. Sends Kunti to extract boon from Karna that he will not touch 4 Pandava brothers. I would say master diplomatic coup before the war with Duri having no clue of it.
Gives Arjuna the tough choice my power or me without weapon. Reason Arjun's dharma has to rise above Karna who decided to fight for his friend even when he was offered kingdom. Arjun in choosing a friend without weapon goes one step above karna as he doesn't expect anything from his friend.
Day 13 and Day 14 of the war is hardest for Krishna. We need to know that Krishna is sitting as defense of Arjuna. He is in front, but he cannot expose till the time, the defense of the opposite side is in direct line of fire. Jayadrath and Karna. First one who has a boon from Shiva that he can hold the Pandava army except Arjun for a day and another boon if his head falls on the ground, the one who made it fall, his head will explode. Karna a warrior par excellence having weapon Shakthi with one time usage, against which there is no defense. Krishna's target is power of these 2 people. To ensure Arjuna brings them down. Without bringing them down Pandavas cannot win and no one else in the Pandava army except Arjuna can do it also.
So 13 Krishna knows what fate awaits Arjuna when he returns that day. he knows what pain his sister is going to suffer. He knows what is in store for his 16 year old nephew. Still with calm smile he takes Arjuna to the other end of the battlefield. Imagine the emotional strength that needs to be displayed by the defense to do that without arousing suspicion. Day 14 Arjun is battling like mad. Jayadrath is protected in the vyuha. When sunset comes the entire Kaurava army jeer, laugh and mock at Arjuna who moves towards the pyre. Krishna makes him hear everything and the moment Jayadrath comes in direct line of fire, the illusion lifts. Sun shines. Kauravas knew what he was upto. But far too late in the game. Pasupathastra flies with Jayadratha's head and it is landed in his father's lap, who gets up and dies with his son. Night battle and before they knew Shakthi goes from Karna's hand. Krishna renders the defense of Kauravas powerless.
Same principle is here. Sita has to hear everything. Apman, thiraskaar whatever till he gets the system in direct line of fire. When he gets, he will give her the chance to call shots. Maya will be lifted. Perception of Rajaram is Siya's defense. It will lift only when the defense of system is in direct line of fire. Hardest thing to do. But only Hari can do it. And only a Sita or Arjun can fight in the extreme condition
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Posted: 8 years ago
^^ Shruthi di thanks for the explanation
Ram Sita n Krishna Arjun analogy was beautiful as usual..


And yes I know Sita has to hear everything and that's the reason Ram kept her blindfolded so that she understands on her own, her own make belief world where Praja etc loves them trusts them break, and she sees the harsher reality of life..
but at the end I want her to get her answers as well

And I think Ram will make her realise, if not by directly telling her, but by his actions that his love for her had n will never fade and he was n always will be Sita's Ram.
As u said the new perspective of Siya Ke Ram of who he is actually...



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