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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Krishna_Sourav

heart wrenching post..

like u same here always thought about this Agni pariksha n think y Ram did it ..being woman felt more for Siya ...think Ram is like other but then my mother explain me that ram did the Agni pariksha not Siya...he make sure she will be protected n he took all blame n this is just this yug , ths patriarch society manipulate this incident ...
yes being woman Siya n her pain will be feel by us more but like I said after my mother said it I read again then search for books n read n read n finally see my Mother is right...its the Agni Pariksha of Ram ...
Siya is clean pure clear always..Ram took bow to protect her n did it...today many still blame n ponder y Ram did ...all know Siya is clean...


Thanks @Krishna...I'm now beginning to see this POV also. Thank your mom on my behalf. It's not that we are not feminists. Just pitting down a man or criticizing a male is not true feminism.
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Posted: 9 years ago
One more thing bheegi, Ram understood the world. He knew people will side only with the victim. Not the real victim, the victim in the eyes of the society.
Because in Kaikeyi-Dasrath case, Dasrath was the victim, old dying king. No one understood why Kaikeyi had those boons. She had saved Dasrath in a very courageous way during the battle. And in a way Kaikeyi didn't get anything for that service. If you look also Bharat is capable and it is a natural feel for a woman asking herself to be Rajmatha for saving the king at the time of need. None of his other queens could fight.
So Ram made Sita the victim. Victim in the eyes of society so that society connects with her.
Same thing Krishna does in Kurushtera war. He makes Arjuna a victim, a man who lost his valiant son in a brutal way. Everytime if you see Krishna uses Abhimanyu's name to give Arjuna the garb of victimhood, so that he stands vindicated for his actions.
Panchali again is made a victim, victim of adharma so that when she demands justice people relate to her.
Because at times even ghor adharma, people see the adharmi as victim than the people who follow dharma. Our human right activists are classic example for this.
Adharma thrives on their ability to put themselves as victims. If we want to make dharma thrive we have to learn this art of becoming victim the right way.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Shruthi u said right about this Society will go with Victim...
n what u said about today's human rights n today dharma adharma evertyhing opposite ...
Be it Ram or Krishna said n showed dharama n what to do n how to live but ...
@Bheegi..
its the human nature we always judge ppl...
I loved what u said who we r to judge but sad thing this is mortal human do..we always..
my father always said me that u can judge from outside easily but what happen inside we don't know.. sply for couple...we don't know the real thing.. n sacrifice ..I married to an Army man ..I still remember what my father said when I said to marry my husband...that u have to prepare lots of sacrifice n patience ..u have to be calm n handle full house single handedly...
n my husband he asked me that m fully ready as his duty needs...n from then my change for Ramayan n Siya Ram relation ...

true said bheegi agree with u completely about feminism n feminism is what man can't do a female can do...
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Posted: 9 years ago
Bheegi every time I read about AP I have a hard time finishing it becoz I always have a hard time controlling my tears. I am not as judgemental of Ram now as I was when I was young. Agree with Shruthi that Ram made her walk the hard path to vindicate her. He hardened himself to say those brutal words to her.
But for Sita to hear such words from him that too with such brutality after all she underwent must have been pure torture. She waited the whole time with just her faith in him and the hope that he will save her. And this was the welcome she got. The silver lining was she was able to understand her husband as to why he acted that way.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

One more thing bheegi, Ram understood the world. He knew people will side only with the victim. Not the real victim, the victim in the eyes of the society.

Because in Kaikeyi-Dasrath case, Dasrath was the victim, old dying king. No one understood why Kaikeyi had those boons. She had saved Dasrath in a very courageous way during the battle. And in a way Kaikeyi didn't get anything for that service. If you look also Bharat is capable and it is a natural feel for a woman asking herself to be Rajmatha for saving the king at the time of need. None of his other queens could fight.
So Ram made Sita the victim. Victim in the eyes of society so that society connects with her.
Same thing Krishna does in Kurushtera war. He makes Arjuna a victim, a man who lost his valiant son in a brutal way. Everytime if you see Krishna uses Abhimanyu's name to give Arjuna the garb of victimhood, so that he stands vindicated for his actions.
Panchali again is made a victim, victim of adharma so that when she demands justice people relate to her.
Because at times even ghor adharma, people see the adharmi as victim than the people who follow dharma. Our human right activists are classic example for this.
Adharma thrives on their ability to put themselves as victims. If we want to make dharma thrive we have to learn this art of becoming victim the right way.


Another interesting POV Shruthi. Glad we are having this debate😊
I think both the AP and Sita's banishment show that Queen Sita was always let down by the subjects of the great Kosala kingdom. She was better off being a ascetic in the forest...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Krishna_Sourav

@Shruthi u said right about this Society will go with Victim...

n what u said about today's human rights n today dharma adharma evertyhing opposite ...
Be it Ram or Krishna said n showed dharama n what to do n how to live but ...
@Bheegi..
its the human nature we always judge ppl...
I loved what u said who we r to judge but sad thing this is mortal human do..we always..
my father always said me that u can judge from outside easily but what happen inside we don't know.. sply for couple...we don't know the real thing.. n sacrifice ..I married to an Army man ..I still remember what my father said when I said to marry my husband...that u have to prepare lots of sacrifice n patience ..u have to be calm n handle full house single handedly...
n my husband he asked me that m fully ready as his duty needs...n from then my change for Ramayan n Siya Ram relation ...

true said bheegi agree with u completely about feminism n feminism is what man can't do a female can do...


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: gmgi

Bheegi every time I read about AP I have a hard time finishing it becoz I always have a hard time controlling my tears. I am not as judgemental of Ram now as I was when I was young. Agree with Shruthi that Ram made her walk the hard path to vindicate her. He hardened himself to say those brutal words to her.
But for Sita to hear such words from him that too with such brutality after all she underwent must have been pure torture. She waited the whole time with just her faith in him and the hope that he will save her. And this was the welcome she got. The silver lining was she was able to understand her husband as to why he acted that way.


Thanks gmgi. Sita was one tough woman. Even though some texts make her out to be this silent sufferer who never opposed anything, she gave an earful to Ram before the AP and to Lakshman (regarding King Ram) after he dropped her off in the forest.

This shows that the original Ramyana gave Sita a voice even though her rights were violated by a number of people- adharmi people like Ravana and some gossip mongers in Kosala.

I think Ram saw Sita as an extension of himself. When he sacrificed Sita, he sacrificed his personal happiness and feelings at the same time. They were inseparable even if Ravana or the society (indirectly) tried their best. That's what I'm trying to portray with all these citations...
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Posted: 9 years ago
Yes Bheegi Sita was not a slilent sufferer as the society points her out to be. She gave AP as an act of defiance to uphold her self respect. She is an inspiration to women who suffers from the patriarchal society. She goes back to her mother earth with the message that she can be compassionate, loving and forgiving just like her mother but not at the cost of her self respect.
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Posted: 9 years ago
Hey Bheegi this must have been one of the harshest periods in the whole epic, specially for Sita. I feel she was a woman of substance at the core but had to exhibit a certain code of behaviour in public of course given those times. So for me she was never a weak woman or woman with no voice!
As far as the AP is concerned, I must admit I couldn't really recall what Ram had said to her in public but ouch that did hurt surely. I mean such humiliating words, honestly I can accept the one where he says he merely did what he did for the sake of his family but asking her to go off with his brothers etc I thought that was too much BUT I can now appreciate why he did it and what it may have cost him to say those cruel words. His tears just explain what his words can't namely that he was probably hating himself so much for saying those things to her and it's almost like he has had a price to pay.
Look what happened to both of them, Sita went back to the forest and when she came back he asked her for another test and this time she had had enough and left for good.
And Ram couldn't cope with her absence and he ended his days shortly after. Also you are right about how we view the whole AP episode. We tend to side with the victim of circumstances in this case Sita but it's Ram who got all the blame for being so harsh etc.
Anyway theirs was a tough love story...very painful but deep down you can feel their undying love for each other.
Thanks again for the post I would like to read the book about Ram's anguish!
Hema




Edited by Hema48 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: gmgi

Yes Bheegi Sita was not a slilent sufferer as the society points her out to be. She gave AP as an act of defiance to uphold her self respect. She is an inspiration to women who suffers from the patriarchal society. She goes back to her mother earth with the message that she can be compassionate, loving and forgiving just like her mother but not at the cost of her self respect.


No doubt. Whenever she was humiliated, she never let anyone destroy her self respect> she is still an inspiration for a lot of us

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