Ramayan - What is original?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I can see that some members here have a very one sided view on the epics (Ramayan here). There are versions of Ramayan where Shanta is mentioned and it is also mentioned that she was given as offering to Rishyashringa. One version says it was for Dashrath's Putra kamaeshti yagya, another version says that it was to end the drought in Janak's kingdom and that because of this Janak was severely indebted to Dashrath.
There are various version of Ramayan written in different context and environment. IT is matter of scholarly research, archeologically we have so far not found a single evidence to suggest that characters in Epics (ramayan and mahabharat) are real and that the story is based on real events. We have found archeological evidences of places mentioned in these Epics but that only proves that the many writers of these epics had very good knowledge of geography of indian subcontinent.


Few glaring differences if compare Valmiki Ramayan to other versions (considering Valmiki Ramyan as original because thats the oldest version of Ramyana available)
1. Lakshman Rekha is not part of Valmiki Ramayan, still in popular belief it is there as an important reason of Sita haran.
2. Valmiki Ramanaya considers Ram as HUMAN with God like qualities, by the time we reach 16th century he is converted into God by Tulsidas and his contempraries.
3. In Valmiki Ramayan, Sita is depicted as independent lady. In Tulsidas Ramayan , she becomes a meek lady who takes care of everyone is the household, doesn't question and lives as idea wife who follows her husband.
4. I have already mentioned in another post how Uttara Kand is considered as later addition.

When we talk about other version -
1. some version says Sita was Ravana's daughter.
2. some say a dhobi was responsible far maligning Sita's name, some say Shurpanakha comes back to Ayodhya for revenge and she starts gossiping.
3. Some say Kaikeyi had a change of heart and she asks for Ram's exile, some say she was of a good heart but her father had ability to understand bird language and he had heard that Ram will die if he stays around and so she asks for his exile to save him.
4. some say Ram had mishandled Shurpankha, some say it was lakshaman.
5. some say Ravana's brother came to fight after his death and Sita took druga's form and killed him.
6. Some Sita completed Agni parikhsa and came out unscathed, some say she was originally given to Agni for safe keeping and Ravan kidnapped only her "chhaya (shadow)" and Agnipariksha was a method of bringing back original Sita.

There are tribes in India who worship Ravana as deity and Some as their "Adi guru".

Who are we to judge which version is more authentic than others?


I applaud the makers and writers that they are trying to bring in various versions of Ramayan and putting it together in away that socially relevant issues are also getting highlighted. And some philosically very prominent questions are being asked as well. I think the attempt should be encouraged because not everyone has time and inclination to go through all the versions of Ramayan and study them.
This is also gives a great opportunity to understand the fluidity of Epics. A chance to appreciate that how over period of time, in different environment and context these various versions were written and how there could different ways to interpret them.


PS - Adding my response to another post here

"There are about 300 versions of Ramayana world over. Even the supposedly original Ramayan written by Kavi Valmiki has some doubts around it about the Uttara Kand. Many scholars believe that the writing style and language of Uttara Kand is different from rest and "falshruti", which is given at the end of poem is written before Uttara Kand which means Uttara kand may have been written by someone else and not Valmiki. Now uattarakand contains the important episode of Sita Parityaga, her disappearing into earth and Ram's jal samadhi. The widely believed episode of "Lakshaman Rekha" does not exist in Valmiki Ramayan. So please understand that what they are portraying is an amalgamation of many versions of Ramayan.
It is unwise to consider one version of Ramayan true and others as false. May be we should enjoy the show, take our own meaning/philosophy from it and leave the portions out which does not agree with our popular belief.

PS: - Popular doesn't always mean authentic. "
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Mano.M thumbnail
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Posted: 9 years ago
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That makes sense
And also all characters can't be white
Even any one character can't be purely white😆😆

Some say God can never be wrong
Ok most Gods are shown with more than one wife
So will we be OK if it happen to us as God can't be wrong
Then there comes this explanation "that is diff yug this is diff"
Is God not beyond all this
An incarnation of God should be a timeless example

So I am happy that the show is interpreted accordingly
So that we can relate and pick things to follow
Learn a lesson for life
Show is doing great in that area

And even without this, Dashrath did already get curse by Sharvan's parents
Anyway Dashrath was not a white character to begin with
He had his curse,he had his insecurities and fears
He did long for a male child, had three marriage ,did yagas
Which janak didn't

And like u said who are we to decide which version is authentic
Just bcos one version is written first that doesn't make it authentic
And we can never say that Valmiki saw every incident with his own eyes and wrote it
He must have used his own creative liberty at the time

And I am really amazed at the making style
Every episode has lot to learn from
And even if we miss some
Some brilliant writers in the forum are highlighting and penning it down
Thanks to all the lovely writers who write daily takes 👏

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Mano Thanks for writing. See this belief that Ram is incarnation of God Vishnu comes from texts written in the time period when Bhakti Movement was at its peak in India. So you will see these versions have stories which have elements Vishnu/Shiva/Shakti depending upon whether the author is from Vaishnav/Shaiva/Shakt tradition.
As far as Valmiki Ramayan is concerned, it starts with Valmiki asking Narada that is there any man on this earth who has god like quality?" He is human in Valmiki Ramayan who tried his best to set an example for exemplary behaviour by men and suffered in his personal life so that he could create a perfect world for his citizens.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thanks for the beautiful post.
I came to know many new things abt Ramayan from your post😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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What an exceptional post. Loved it. I am sure the makers knew the risk they were taking when they decided to make this show. I for one applaud them for being brave enough to bring forth this version.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Lovely post dear watching new type of Ramayan and loving it...its too early to draw any conclusion ..not fair to call it joke or using words like 'shame on CVs..wounderfull post 👏
Thank u so much.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Mano-


Some say God can never be wrong
Ok most Gods are shown with more than one wife
So will we be OK if it happen to us as God can't be wrong
Then there comes this explanation "that is diff yug this is diff"
Is God not beyond all this
An incarnation of God should be a timeless example


If you try to understand the nature of God, you will realize that God is neither male nor female. He has no form, but he assumes a form through various incarnations in order to help his devotees. Yes, some Gods have more than one "wife" but are they really more than one? All our scriptures say the same thing. All the forms of God are different aspects of Him/Her. All the forms of Devi are one, so it doesn't matter how many forms she takes. Take Lord Krishna for example. People say very wrong things about him because he had 16, 1008 wives, but have they ever tried to understand the secret behind his many marriages? His first eight wives, his principal queens, are the incarnations of Ashta Lakshmi. They may have had different forms, different names, and born to different people, but they are all Mahalakshmi only. As for the 16,100 wives, they were wives in name only but not in action. They were women who were kidnapped by Naraksura and lived a life of hell in his kingdom. Lord Krishna killed him and married them all to give them a secure home, because back in those days an unmarried woman was not safe on her own, particularly a woman who had already lived with another man for many years.

You may ask why did Mahalakshmi take birth to many people, only to marry Lord Krishna over and over again, but that's because many people wanted her as their daughter, and God grants every one of our wishes, so Mahalakshmi was born multiple times in dwapar yuga, and in every one of her forms as Rukmini, Jambavathi, Satyabhama, etc she married the Lord. So no, Lord Krishna was not preaching polygamy in his incarnation. In fact, Bhagavatham describes him as a yogi who had no earthly desires. Everything he did was to make his devotees happy.

Understand the concept of God first before pointing fingers at him. No, God can't be wrong because he is not human. To assign fault with God is to give him the same status as us, and honestly we have no right to do that. Who are we to judge God? Our status is much much, much lower than his.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes, Valmiki Ramayan is the original version because it was written by Valmiki, who was a contemporary of Ram. To believe other versions over his is like saying we are going to believe historical accounts of Christopher Columbus written today over ones written in his day and age. Makes absolutely no sense!

Not saying we can't read other versions and widen our knowledge on their stories, but in the end of the day, we can't deny Valmiki is the original one.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I Thank you for this...I really do.
You have put across points which I have myself been thinking about since many years.

I consider Ramayana and Mahabharata as a story, a great ones at that. But it is still a story. A story of mankind.

There have been many versions of this story. As you mentioned about Uttarakand and many versions of Ramayana, a similar theory has been going around for Mahabharata too. Some experts think that many stories and parva's were written over the years by various people.

Story telling is a part of every culture, existed even before the advent of written languages. This is great way to pass on the knowledge, philosophical concepts of that era, customs and rituals and or anything for that matter, to the next generation. The stories are easier to remember than dry verses of teachings, stories make things interesting and easier to understand.

Coming to Mythology, the stories were changed or interpreted according to the socio-cultural norms of that era. That is why they are interesting to read and see different points of view, reflecting the thoughts of that age and time.

There is really no 'correct' or the 'right' or the 'original' versions of them.

And Ramayana stories are not limited to India alone. There are versions of it in Burma, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Malaysia and so on. All these countries have their own Ramayana which developed over centuries.

Love
Kshithi

PS: I believe we have briefly met in KY2 forum? 😊


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Madhu_4u

Thanks for the beautiful post.

I came to know many new things abt Ramayan from your post😊


Thankyou @Madhu_4u for appreciating 😊. This is my current scholarly interest - Scriptures,History, Geography, Indology and Archeology.


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