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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indira1211

If a couple are truly in love where both of them have found everything they've ever wanted in each other ...then it's highly unlikely they will fall out of love ...because when you are satisfied and have everything you want and need then there's no reason to look elsewhere for love,..that's why lots of people have very happy successful marriages that lasts until death does them part. And we all have seen and witnessed this. The marriages that stand the test of time ..and even when there are hurdles ..they still support and stand together .. So I think in order for a relationship to end or for one partner to fall out of love there has to have been something that the one partner was not getting from the relationship...and often the partner who's being rejected ..will say but we were happy ..why did he or she leave me for someone else...like we had Mauli ask Kunal..but if we had to ask the partner who did the walking out or falling out of love ..he or she is very likely to give us multiple reasons why the relationship ended or what he or she was not getting anymore from the relationship..So I think there usually are reasons why break ups happen..but the makers here are not explaining this to us ..we were never shown properly why Kunal fell for nandu and what he found lacking in his relationship with Mauli...we all mAde our own assumptions..



The very reason I couldn't connect to kunan n now mishaan.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: anshvi


All these points have already been discussed

If Mishti never loved him then it is her fault And not Veer's who seems to be invested in this relation
Again falling for Ruhan should have a reason which makers haven't really given apart from sparks and attraction

Also Veer asked her not once but at least thrice if she was okay and everytime she said that she was okay ! Again Misthi should have open up and spoken what she felt

He did not dictate but tried to lessen her burden...If She Had A Problem Then She Should have said Something

Also If Veer Was dominating Then Mishti At Least once In Her Monologues Would have Pointed Out Instead Of Calling Him Carign Lovign And UndwrstandIng

Also Mishti Cut His calls , Spoke Rudely With Him , Then Went On To tell Him Not To Ask Her Anythjgn And How Did VEER React ? He Was OKay With EEverything And Understood MISHTI


See,we're human. The characters are human. They are flawed. None of them are completely wrong because all their actions are dependent on each other. I would sayit's an unfortunate situation for all three and the key to this problem lies in Mishti's hands. If she breaks up with Veer for Ruhaan, it'll be better for the three. If she stays with Veer knowing that she has feelings for Ruhaan, she'll not only be cheating Veer but she'll be cheating herself.

And as I said, Let. The. Characters. Realise.

We as viewers can see things but they as the ones living the characters can't. Mishti will call him understanding and loving till she can see that he isn't. Happens with everyone. We defend the ones we care about. Till she realises that Veer, even though is a very good guy, was simply not made for her, she'll keep thinking that the love and understanding Veer provides her with, is enough.It's not. She requires something more and what is that more? That's up to CVS to show.

Mishti doesn't speak up because she doesn't want to, not Veer's fault but that's it. She'll resist Ruhaan even more the day she realises that she's falling for him.

Mishti is growing fond of Ruhaan because -

A) He is the big bro/man the family never had after and before Ishaan. Believe it or not, Veer is more investing in her than the rest of the members and that's okay but it gets very prominent when Ruhaan is in the picture because he interacts with everyone, he knows everyone's flaws and tries to comfort them in their own sweet way. Not to say that Veer is a bad jiju, just that Ruhaan brings something extra to the table.

B) he always saves the kids.

C) Sees Mishti for who she is. She has a set of fears which she doesn't share with anyone (not even her dadi)

D) There's no explanation why. You're heart doesn't use logic to fall for someone. You just do. If the heart could use logic, season 1 would have never happened.

About her not saying anything during the business thing, when has Mishti ever disagreed with Veer? She's always agreed with everything he says so of course she'll never speak up because if she did, we would have another round of the birthday fiasco.

He was okay this time. What happened at the party though? He drove away without letting her explain herself? Yes he was angry but she didn't slam him, she slammed Ruhaan. Then how come Ruhaan was so calm and Veer wasn't? Veer is flawed, just like all the characters. And no, by flawed I don't mean he's wrong. I mean he's flawed. So is Mishti, Ruhaan, Pari, Arnav and even Dadi. All of them are flawed and CVS are doing a wonderful job with the portrayal of these flaws.

P.S. Dominance doesn't need to be apparent. It can be sneakily done. Emotional blackmail is an example (just an example, NOT related to Veer) that's a type of dominance. It's not apparent but it is what it is.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshifan2012


See,we're human. The characters are human. They are flawed. None of them are completely wrong because all their actions are dependent on each other. I would sayit's an unfortunate situation for all three and the key to this problem lies in Mishti's hands. If she breaks up with Veer for Ruhaan, it'll be better for the three. If she stays with Veer knowing that she has feelings for Ruhaan, she'll not only be cheating Veer but she'll be cheating herself.

And as I said, Let. The. Characters. Realise.

We as viewers can see things but they as the ones living the characters can't. Mishti will call him understanding and loving till she can see that he isn't. Happens with everyone. We defend the ones we care about. Till she realises that Veer, even though is a very good guy, was simply not made for her, she'll keep thinking that the love and understanding Veer provides her with, is enough.It's not. She requires something more and what is that more? That's up to CVS to show.

Mishti doesn't speak up because she doesn't want to, not Veer's fault but that's it. She'll resist Ruhaan even more the day she realises that she's falling for him.

Mishti is growing fond of Ruhaan because -

A) He is the big bro/man the family never had after and before Ishaan. Believe it or not, Veer is more investing in her than the rest of the members and that's okay but it gets very prominent when Ruhaan is in the picture because he interacts with everyone, he knows everyone's flaws and tries to comfort them in their own sweet way. Not to say that Veer is a bad jiju, just that Ruhaan brings something extra to the table.

B) he always saves the kids.

C) Sees Mishti for who she is. She has a set of fears which she doesn't share with anyone (not even her dadi)

D) There's no explanation why. You're heart doesn't use logic to fall for someone. You just do. If the heart could use logic, season 1 would have never happened.

About her not saying anything during the business thing, when has Mishti ever disagreed with Veer? She's always agreed with everything he says so of course she'll never speak up because if she did, we would have another round of the birthday fiasco.

He was okay this time. What happened at the party though? He drove away without letting her explain herself? Yes he was angry but she didn't slam him, she slammed Ruhaan. Then how come Ruhaan was so calm and Veer wasn't? Veer is flawed, just like all the characters. And no, by flawed I don't mean he's wrong. I mean he's flawed. So is Mishti, Ruhaan, Pari, Arnav and even Dadi. All of them are flawed and CVS are doing a wonderful job with the portrayal of these flaws.

P.S. Dominance doesn't need to be apparent. It can be sneakily done. Emotional blackmail is an example (just an example, NOT related to Veer) that's a type of dominance. It's not apparent but it is what it is.


Yes all are flawed right then why Mishti is ditching Veer who is also flawed for Ruhan...what exactly is the reason ?
Veer has flaws but at least he tries to rectify them
Not really most of us see Veer as shown by the makers! A guy who is not perfect but tries to keep Mishti happy
If Mishti isn't herself realizing that Veer has flaws then doesn't it mean that is what the writers want to show ? Veer is nice, loving , caring and understanding as explained by Mishti herself ? Why to assume something that has not been show or shown in a different context
Veer like I said is not perfect...He got angry that too coz Mishti was at fault for blaming Ruhan
And then the very next day he admitted his mistake too !
Even Ruhan lost his cool during the Holi partly right?
All are humans rigth ? Veer can't be perfect but he tries to keep her happy is the point
And Mishti was wrong that day...Veer stood for his friend and next day appologised as well

Also if we compare Ruhan with Veer then isn't Ruhan a selfish guy who priorities his own feelings for Mishti above Veer? Even he isn't perfect

So what exactly is the reason here ?
And nope he is not dominating in any way...again I am not assuming but going by what has been shown by the makers so far and established by them
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Bad that S1 cannot be brought in s2 ...we should be allowed to compare...same show ,same concept .
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I don't think mishty is seeing ruhaans good qualities here..because we have to be honest,..veer is also a great guy. It's actually all about attraction,,,then emotions and love ...and chemistry...so it is a lot about the physical but there's also the emotional connection..like today when she heard ruhaan got hurt,.she panicked and grabbed the phone...that is love ...when our loved one gets hurt we jump .. so basically mishty hadn't felt this way about veer like she is now feeling for ruhaan. so the fact is she was never in love with veer ,.but now she has fallen in love with ruhaan. I don't think it can be explained why..because love is like that.we don't fall in love with every great guy we meet ...it's just the one special one that steals our heart...mAybe it's destiny or fate or like they say in Hindu marriages that it was decided by the God..Anyway It's sad because veer a great guy will be hurt. But it was the same and even worse with Mauli...a wonderful woman who did nothing wrong was abandoned when she was pregnant...so it is about emotions ..or jazzbaat ..the key player and the changing of relationships. Now we were not able to forgive Kunal. So I really hope they don't let mishty suffer the same fate. I hope she realizes what has happened and she explain to veer before getting involved with ruhaan..
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: chirpyhapibird

Bad that S1 cannot be brought in s2 ...we should be allowed to compare...same show ,same concept .


s1 s concept was EMA

S2 s concept is planned life vs unplanned life they are not similar at all
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: anshvi


Yes all are flawed right then why Mishti is ditching Veer who is also flawed for Ruhan...what exactly is the reason ?
Veer has flaws but at least he tries to rectify them
Not really most of us see Veer as shown by the makers! A guy who is not perfect but tries to keep Mishti happy
If Mishti isn't herself realizing that Veer has flaws then doesn't it mean that is what the writers want to show ? Veer is nice, loving , caring and understanding as explained by Mishti herself ? Why to assume something that has not been show or shown in a different context
Veer like I said is not perfect...He got angry that too coz Mishti was at fault for blaming Ruhan
And then the very next day he admitted his mistake too !
Even Ruhan lost his cool during the Holi partly right?
All are humans rigth ? Veer can't be perfect but he tries to keep her happy is the point
And Mishti was wrong that day...Veer stood for his friend and next day appologised as well

Also if we compare Ruhan with Veer then isn't Ruhan a selfish guy who priorities his own feelings for Mishti above Veer? Even he isn't perfect

So what exactly is the reason here ?
And nope he is not dominating in any way...again I am not assuming but going by what has been shown by the makers so far and established by them


Ruhaan lost his cool after how many arguments? You don't want a man to stand up when it's enough? Okay then.

Ruhaan would have been selfish if he had ACTED on his feelings. Did he do anything to persue Mishti his way? Please don't tell me that eye contact is persuasion. Ruhaan is as normal as he can be. If he was prioritising his feelings over Veer, he would have whisked her away a long time ago. He hasn't done anything about his feelings. Like he says - it's something he can only feel, not do anything about.

Is feeling for someone who's taken a crime?

I have seen guys like Veer, he is dominating, as I said, it's not very apparent because it's not something he does everyday. Mishti let's him and he does it. If she stopped him, I'm pretty sure he would listen.

Interpreting a story is up to the viewers, not the makers. We're all different people so we'll interpret things very differently.

Also, when did Mishti ditch Veer? Did you guys not see today's epi? She chose Veer over Ruhaan. She could have ignored Veer like she was doing but she realised that she wasn't right and immediately called him. That doesn't show you who her priority is?


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshifan2012


Ruhaan lost his cool after how many arguments? You don't want a man to stand up when it's enough? Okay then.

Ruhaan would have been selfish if he had ACTED on his feelings. Did he do anything to persue Mishti his way? Please don't tell me that eye contact is persuasion. Ruhaan is as normal as he can be. If he was prioritising his feelings over Veer, he would have whisked her away a long time ago. He hasn't done anything about his feelings. Like he says - it's something he can only feel, not do anything about.

Is feeling for someone who's taken a crime?

I have seen guys like Veer, he is dominating, as I said, it's not very apparent because it's not something he does everyday. Mishti let's him and he does it. If she stopped him, I'm pretty sure he would listen.

Interpreting a story is up to the viewers, not the makers. We're all different people so we'll interpret things very differently.

Also, when did Mishti ditch Veer? Did you guys not see today's epi? She chose Veer over Ruhaan. She could have ignored Veer like she was doing but she realised that she wasn't right and immediately called him. That doesn't show you who her priority is?



And why did Veer lose his cool ? Was Mishti right ? First she insulted Ruhan and then later she tried to throw him out ! And that is when Veer lost his cool coz despite explaining her she was not listening
Hwre Veer stood up for his friend

Again what did Ruhan do to resist those feelings ? He was always sure of his feelings right ?
Also m not saying it is Ruhan who said that he is not honest with Veer but he can't be dishonest with his own feelings...so he chose his own feelings over Veer
Not once he tried to resist and seems thst he has no guilt about breaking the bro code

having feelings and then not resisting and not feeling guilty at all about it is wrong !

Also this is not how symbolism works in TV...writers often make symbolism pretty obvious so that normal viewers can also decipher
Also it is clear many are assuming a lot of things that aren't even there ...interpretation is done on basis of clear cut symbolisms...but if people are assuming then it is their perception and not what makers are showing necessarily

I said in near future if she ditches...she clearly is falling for Ruhan which obviously means that she will choose Ruhan in the end or Veer will let her go

Right now also she isn't being honest..not with herself and not with Veer...she needs to get a grip of her feelings...understand what she is feeling and then break up with Veer rather than tagging him along till the end
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Posted: 6 years ago
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problem does not lie in veer and mishty relationship. but problem lie in mishty inconsistency thought and no one created inconsistency thought in mishty. it is created by mishty only


mishty ke inconsistency thought ki wajah se problem ho rahi hai
Edited by surabhi01 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: surabhi01

problem does not lie in veer and mishty relationship. but problem lie in mishty inconsistency thought and no one created inconsistency thought in mishty. it is created by mishty only

it's actually created by the writers ...they are writing the characters and manipulating them ...so if they decide to make her inconsistent ... they will...no amount of arguing or debating here is going to change that...if the writers decide to make mishty caress ruhaans shirt they will...us talking about it is really so pointless ...

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