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Posted: 6 years ago
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@Anahi, @Indira - You guys already summed up everything I have been feeling and wrote since before my forum hiatus last night 😆.
Mauli def. made a blunder, a hurtful one at that. But it was not ill-intentioned, even Ishaan once said to his Mom he knows Mauli is "jhan jhuring" meaning she has always had a hard time in moving on in love/marriage. Ishaan knows that and he didn't mind signing up for it because the gains are so much, we as viewers should know that, and just as Ishaan has faith in his love, I too have faith in MauHaan's love. I have faith that Ishaan's pure love and I have faith in Mauli that she too will love Ishaan as much as we do.

Mauli will make up for it ten fold and definitely come around. Galti se mistake hogya usse, wo tho shuru se, episode 1 se jhali aur bewakoof hai. Thank goodness Ishaan loves her for who she is
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Ladies every time we cannot give mauli benefit of doubt her concern n realisation has to be strong.
I hate Ishan as well one time stand up and reject mauli do you have a spine man.
The creatives do not follow any logic they can turn around any moment I will not be surprised if mauli has fallen in love with cheater husband during her stay and Ishan does her kanyadan
Both ways do not make sense to me. They are giving in so easily
Mauli taking Ishan s name obvious hint to Kunal lovers that mauli will accept ex. Ishan will sacrifice
Ishan in sehra making obvious to Ishan lovers that Ishan mandap Mein pauhncha My question
Did he reach after mauli said I love you or he is shameless and reached after getting so many virtual kicks
Did Kunal got back his memory should be or why he will be there
Is it just a actors photo in episode may be Kunal is celebrating his marriage with mauli Ishan is the esteemed guest with pagri
Jan ne ke liye ...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettywomaniya



maine like hi ni krna @sanchi ka reply..😆

ishaan kuch bhi kre.. mauli toh loves him naa..
so i dont care about his sacrfice😆
karta rhe..
mauli toh kahegi naa "i love u ishaan.. "😳
kya sanchi , chuha dil nhi bnene ka.. be a sher dil..
ishaali hi hoga behnaa.. yahi h mera kehna.. !

even if she does love him , he doesn't always have to say sorry 😆 . After marriage kya sorry hi bolta rahega. 😆 It's Mauli's fault and he deserves an explaination. And he should ask for one.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Hey...
Isn't this what I said in my post? He doesn't have to apologize for something he didn't do, but they just show him like a man who is so good that he will apologize even when it's not his fault, apologize to your wife / future wife but for right reasons...

1 He should apologize for sending Mauli to Kunal, Mauli told him that it will be difficult, Kunal does not remember anything, before camp track this girl told him that she loves him, after camp track he did all the drama, she has to know the truth to make final decision


2 He should tell Mauli that Kunal helped him with that and apologize to her for manipulating her like that... Mauli can tell him that whatever he did at that time doesn't change her feelings towards him and she still loves him...


His character is written to reap the most white thing from the bucket, as I said that Mauli is a white character too, but she is very human and realistic in her approach... Ishaan didn't have a need to apologize, he was not wrong when he came between Maunal because Kunal hurt Ishaan's fiance, if anything he should be mad at Mauli for letting Kunal treat her like that... Ishaan's reactions and approach to everything is very unrealistic...


Coming to your point...

Mauli hasn't done anything that warrants standing up for himself, if anything Mauli is stuck in this situation because he asked her to do it, she told everyone that she can't do it, he convinced her, she is very helpless here, she was genuinely happy about spending his birthday with him, when she formed that plan on Kunal's suggestion her words were - Kids and Kunal... Ishaan aur mai... Ishaan ka birthday celebrate karenge...
In her relationship with Ishaan, Mauli has been very loyal and truthful, she tells him everything, but the same thing does not come from Ishaan
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

I Hope aisa na hoon. As it is Mauli's self respect is being compromised , I don't want Ishaan's self respect to be compromised as welll.

Ishaan never compromise in case of His Self Respect ⭐️ his Self respect is Committing To his Own Words/Promises 😃 That he never Compromise 😛 always putting his own Wishes in Stake he Respects Himself More Than Any One if he fail any of his Commitment +Promises That time only He Feel Lost not By Any other Deviations 😛
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Hey...

Isn't this what I said in my post? He doesn't have to apologize for something he didn't do, but they just show him like a man who is so good that he will apologize even when it's not his fault, apologize to your wife / future wife but for right reasons...

1 He should apologize for sending Mauli to Kunal, Mauli told him that it will be difficult, Kunal does not remember anything, before camp track this girl told him that she loves him, after camp track he did all the drama, she has to know the truth to make final decision


2 He should tell Mauli that Kunal helped him with that and apologize to her for manipulating her like that... Mauli can tell him that whatever he did at that time doesn't change her feelings towards him and she still loves him...


His character is written to reap the most white thing from the bucket, as I said that Mauli is a white character too, but she is very human and realistic in her approach... Ishaan didn't have a need to apologize, he was not wrong when he came between Maunal because Kunal hurt Ishaan's fiance, if anything he should be mad at Mauli for letting Kunal treat her like that... Ishaan's reactions and approach to everything is very unrealistic...


Coming to your point...

Mauli hasn't done anything that warrants standing up for himself, if anything Mauli is stuck in this situation because he asked her to do it, she told everyone that she can't do it, he convinced her, she is very helpless here, she was genuinely happy about spending his birthday with him, when she formed that plan on Kunal's suggestion her words were - Kids and Kunal... Ishaan aur mai... Ishaan ka birthday celebrate karenge...
In her relationship with Ishaan, Mauli has been very loyal and truthful, she tells him everything, but the same thing does not come from Ishaan

Ok point by point😊

Like I said Ishaan is a lot like Mauli .Like how Mauli is with Kunal ,Ishaan is like that with Mauli. Like how Mauli kept running after Kunal begging him to come back while Kunal continually insulted her on her face and how post leap Mauli was like I am sorry I hid my pregnancy from you and Kunal was like ya fine i forgive😆 without even acknowledging that he was wrong as well. Mauli wasn't wrong here she didn't need to apologize but well she did same is with Ishann. He is running after Mauli even though she isn't reciprocating his love with the same intensity , he is apologizing when he isn't wrong. I don't dislike either of them for that. Its their characters , they love so selflessly that they don't think about themselves. But even for selfless people there needs to come a point when one thinks about themselves and stand up for themselves .Its a beautiful character arc. Like Mauli finally thought about her self and kicked Kunal out by not telling him she isn't pregnant , in same way I hope that moment comes for Ishaan. as well. Kunal is some one who doesn't apologize or even acknowledge when he is wrong 😆 whereas Mauli and Ishaan are the opposite. And all 3 need redemption in that respect.Kunal needs to acknowledge his mistakes and start to redeem himself and Mauli and Ishaan need to start standing up for themselves.

Ok now regarding Ishaan apologizing to Mauli for sending her to Kunal hmm he did that for Pari right as that 4 year old needs her father back. Asking Ishaan to apologize for that is like saying Mauli should apologize for bringing Nandini home and allowing Nandini and Kunal to grow closer.I don't think so.At least I don't think so that people should apologize for doing good and selfless acts.The problem here is for whom are you doing? are you doing it for some one who deserves it or some one who doesn't? Does Kunal deserve a selfless act from Ishaan ? May be no. But Pari does deserve.Did Nandini deserve all that Mauli did for her ? Yes atleast at that time but now if we look back do we still say she deserved it ? I really don't know that is another debate.My point being good and selfless acts are not to be apologized for .Its just that we should be careful that we should be selfless for people who deserve it.

I don't know what camp track has to do with my post but all I will say is what I have always said and in bold for Maunal to happen primary weight of expectation is on Kunal and not Mauli .Kunal cheated on Mauli, lied to her, said horrible things to her,insulted her on her face in front of Nandini, threw divorce papers on her face, made love to Nadini while Mauli was all broken, had a kid with Nandini and didn't care if Mauli was alive or dead for 7 years. Hence Kunal needs to take steps or decisions to rebuild Maunal and not Mauli .Mauli is the victim here hence expectation should be from the person who destroyed the relationship. Kunal's one act of helping Ishaan doesn't erase all of the above. Let kunal first redeem himself ,at least accept that he never loved Nandini and it was always loved Mauli. Then Mauli can find out about how Kunal helped Ishaan and make a decision. I am sorry I don't accept women to always cary the burden even though she is the victim.Let Kunal redeem himself for all the horrible things he did then we can talk about his one good act.

And you want Ishaan to apologize to Mauli for taking Kunal's help but not Kunal for all the horrible things he did😆? hmm ok I literally don;t know what to say.What Kunal did and what Ishaan did are not even comparable in my opinion. Like not even close.

I do agree with you that I wish they would have written Ishaan more in a layered way. It would have been more interesting. More complexity and more realism would have been great. But like some one said ,EMA is divine, that is the mental level of the writers of this show.😆 I don't expect any well written character from them.

Any one should stand up for themselves if they are hurt.That is my point. Mauli has been loyal and truthfull but Ishaan is feeling hurt at places, completely unintentional from Mauli's POVs.Any person should not avoid it. All I am saying is that he needs to stand up for himself and tell Mauli that he is feeling hurt. Mauli's explanation can very well be what you are saying that Ishaan was the one who sent Mauli and Mauli didn't want to do that in the first place. Let her explain that. My point only is that Ishaan should ask and Mauli should explain. Rather than just sweeping it under the carpet.

See I do agree Ishaan should tell the truth but what I don't agree is why there is no expectation from Kunal? Why not expectation from him to acknowledge,apologize and redeem himself and prove himself worthy of Mauli for all the horrible things he did. For me both should happen. Kunal should redeem and Ishaan should tell the truth. And frankly with 10 episodes left if need to give priority to one these two it will be Kunal should redeem himself,Because for me there is absolutely no comparison between what Kunal did and what Ishaan did .None. Zilch. Hence i am saying let Kunal first acknowledge,apologize and redeem himself. Then we can talk about rest of the stuff.

Edited by Sabhayata - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Ok point by point 😊

Like I said Ishaan is a lot like Mauli .Like how Mauli is with Kunal ,Ishaan is like that with Mauli. Like how Mauli kept running after Kunal begging him to come back while Kunal continually insulted her on her face and how post leap Mauli was like I am sorry I hid my pregnancy from you and Kunal was like ya fine i forgive😆 without even acknowledging that he was wrong as well. Mauli wasn't wrong here she didn't need to apologize but well she did same is with Ishann. He is running after Mauli even though she isn't reciprocating his love with the same intensity , he is apologizing when he isn't wrong. I don't dislike either of them for that. Its their characters , they love so selflessly that they don't think about themselves. But even for selfless people there needs to come a point when one thinks about themselves and stand up for themselves .Its a beautiful character arc. Like Mauli finally thought about her self and kicked Kunal out by not telling him she isn't pregnant , in same way I hope that moment comes for Ishaan. as well. Kunal is some one who doesn't apologize or even acknowledge when he is wrong 😆 whereas Mauli and Ishaan are the opposite. And all 3 need redemption in that respect.Kunal needs to acknowledge his mistakes and start to redeem himself and Mauli and Ishaan need to start standing up for themselves.

Ok now regarding Ishaan apologizing to Mauli for sending her to Kunal hmm he did that for Pari right as that 4 year old needs her father back. Asking Ishaan to apologize for that is like saying Mauli should apologize for bringing Nandini home and allowing Nandini and Kunal to grow closer.I don't think so.At least I don't think so that people should apologize for doing good and selfless acts.The problem here is for whom are you doing? are you doing it for some one who deserves it or some one who doesn't? Does Kunal deserve a selfless act from Ishaan ? May be no. But Pari does deserve.Did Nandini deserve all that Mauli did for her ? Yes atleast at that time but now if we look back do we still say she deserved it ? I really don't know that is another debate.My point being good and selfless acts are not to be apologized for .Its just that we should be careful that we should be selfless for people who deserve it.

I don't know what camp track has to do with my post but all I will say is what I have always said and in bold for Maunal to happen primary weight of expectation is on Kunal and not Mauli .Kunal cheated on Mauli, lied to her, said horrible things to her,insulted her on her face in front of Nandini, threw divorce papers on her face, made love to Nadini while Mauli was all broken, had a kid with Nandini and didn't care if Mauli was alive or dead for 7 years. Hence Kunal needs to take steps or decisions to rebuild Maunal and not Mauli .Mauli is the victim here hence expectation should be from the person who destroyed the relationship. Kunal's one act of helping Ishaan doesn't erase all of the above. Let kunal first redeem himself ,at least accept that he never loved Nandini and it was always loved Mauli. Then Mauli can find out about how Kunal helped Ishaan and make a decision. I am sorry I don't accept women to always cary the burden even though she is the victim.Let Kunal redeem himself for all the horrible things he did then we can talk about his one good act.

And you want Ishaan to apologize to Mauli for taking Kunal's help but not Kunal for all the horrible things he did😆? hmm ok I literally don;t know what to say.What Kunal did and what Ishaan did are not even comparable in my opinion. Like not even close.

I do agree with you that I wish they would have written Ishaan more in a layered way. It would have been more interesting. More complexity and more realism would have been great. But like some one said ,EMA is divine, that is the mental level of the writers of this show.😆 I don't expect any well written character from them.

Any one should stand up for themselves if they are hurt.That is my point. Mauli has been loyal and truthfull but Ishaan is feeling hurt at places, completely unintentional from Mauli's POVs.Any person should not avoid it. All I am saying is that he needs to stand up for himself and tell Mauli that he is feeling hurt. Mauli's explanation can very well be what you are saying that Ishaan was the one who sent Mauli and Mauli didn't want to do that in the first place. Let her explain that. My point only is that Ishaan should ask and Mauli should explain. Rather than just sweeping it under the carpet.

See I do agree Ishaan should tell the truth but what I don't agree is why there is no expectation from Kunal? Why not expectation from him to acknowledge,apologize and redeem himself and prove himself worthy of Mauli for all the horrible things he did. For me both should happen. Kunal should redeem and Ishaan should tell the truth. And frankly with 10 episodes left if need to give priority to one these two it will be Kunal should redeem himself,Because for me there is absolutely no comparison between what Kunal did and what Ishaan did .None. Zilch. Hence i am saying let Kunal first acknowledge,apologize and redeem himself. Then we can talk about rest of the stuff.

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Note - We are discussing Ishaan here and whenever we have discussed Kunal, everyone has said that in Maunal's case all expectations are from Kunal not from Mauli and even if you give time to read the discussion in Maunal AT, You will see people there are genuinely happy for Mauli's marriage, they don't really care if Mauli marries Kunal or not, so if Kunal does not apologize or repent his EMA, Maunal is non existent, I have said it time and again...

The primary problem here is that people compare Ishaan with Kunal, Ishaan is good for Mauli because kunal is bad, I don't see it that way.. For me Ishaan has to be good for Mauli, now there's a huge difference between a good human being and a good husband...

For me a good husband would be a man who wouldn't ask his wife/fiance to live with her ex husband who cheated on her, when she is literally crying in front of him saying it's difficult for her... Good human caring about Pari...of course but a good husband/ fiance...No

I genuinely liked Ishaan before he took Kunal's help, you can read my post before that track, I expected Ishaan to tell Mauli the truth before starting a new life, but he is yet to tell her, in their relationship Mauli doesn't hide anything from him, she tells him everything... She has always been upfront and no nonsense about their relationship...

About Nandini and Mauli.. Mauli brought Nandini at her home, she helped Nandini in her capacity, apologize to whom? In Ishaan's charity on Kunal, it's Mauli who has to face her past, now a woman who says that living with Kunal is a torture, Ishaan's primary concern should be Mauli. .. He is good... He can be Nobel peace prize winner for all I care, Mauli should be his first priority, not Pari or Kunal and if he is interested in charity, he should do it in his capacity, because he is not doing anything, in his charitable conquest Mauli is being tortured as she said... So he apologized when he wasn't even wrong because of course nice guy but he won't apologize where he was wrong...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: FruitToasty


Note - We are discussing Ishaan here and whenever we have discussed Kunal, everyone has said that in Maunal's case all expectations are from Kunal not from Mauli and even if you give time to read the discussion in Maunal AT, You will see people there are genuinely happy for Mauli's marriage, they don't really care if Mauli marries Kunal or not, so if Kunal does not apologize or repent his EMA, Maunal is non existent, I have said it time and again...

The primary problem here is that people compare Ishaan with Kunal, Ishaan is good for Mauli because kunal is bad, I don't see it that way.. For me Ishaan has to be good for Mauli, now there's a huge difference between a good human being and a good husband...

For me a good husband would be a man who wouldn't ask his wife/fiance to live with her ex husband who cheated on her, when she is literally crying in front of him saying it's difficult for her... Good human caring about Pari...of course but a good husband/ fiance...No

I genuinely liked Ishaan before he took Kunal's help, you can read my post before that track, I expected Ishaan to tell Mauli the truth before starting a new life, but he is yet to tell her, in their relationship Mauli doesn't hide anything from him, she tells him everything... She has always been upfront and no nonsense about their relationship...

About Nandini and Mauli.. Mauli brought Nandini at her home, she helped Nandini in her capacity, apologize to whom? In Ishaan's charity on Kunal, it's Mauli who has to face her past, now a woman who says that living with Kunal is a torture, Ishaan's primary concern should be Mauli. .. He is good... He can be Nobel peace prize winner for all I care, Mauli should be his first priority, not Pari or Kunal and if he is interested in charity, he should do it in his capacity, because he is not doing anything, in his charitable conquest Mauli is being tortured as she said... So he apologized when he wasn't even wrong because of course nice guy but he won't apologize where he was wrong...

Yes we are discussing Ishaan but since you brought up the camp track and said that Mauli should know the truth and decide , so what should she decide? If you mean between being alone or marrying Ishaan then I agree with you as these two are the only logical endings .But if you mean Kunal and Ishaan , then I don't agree as Kunal shouldn't be even in picture without his redemption. Nonethelss if you also agree that without redemption only choice is between Mauli being alone or being with Ishaan. Then that is what I also think. These two are only logical things that can and should happen.😊

Now coming to Ishaan as per you he was wrong in sending Mauli to stay with Kunal since Mauli didn't want it and feels tortured. Hmm ok I understand your POV so wont say anything much about it. For me he was trying to do a decent thing for a child. We were discussing that they have shown Ishaan as perfect so may be he isn't perfect .I would put this decision in grey as in not completely right and not completely wrong. Also I agree that Ishaan should tell her the truth that he took Kunals help but I really hope that it wont impact Mauli's decision as it would mean she said yes only because of the gifts and not because of the fact that Ishaan was selflessly committed to her and her child for 3 years. I don't think Mauli is that materialistic but it really depends on the writers. Basically if Mauli is not in love with Ishaan then she should be alone and if she is then well she should marry him (since we both agree Kunal is not an option without his redemption).And if Mauli is indeed only marrying Ishaan because of the gifts she got then well I hope Ishaan more than for any one else ,for himself only tells Mauli the truth , since gifts is no reason to marry one one.😆In short he should tell Mauli the truth for his own good only.

I don't think he is doing a charity on Kunal but for Pari at least that is what he keeps saying that we are doing it for Pari. Nonetheless Mauli is feeling tortured with Kunal and Ishaan is getting hurt its high time they both talk about it. And the BD thing seems like a good time to me. Ishaan can and should ask her and like I said Mauli can say what you are saying that it is your fault ,you forced me and now I am feeling tortured and he apologizes to her .I wont disagree with it.But my point is at least talk rather than smiles and sorry's. Mauli can very well come and tell Ishaan that she is feeling tortured and Ishaan can apologize the same way Ishaan can tell Mauli that he is hurt and Mauli can give her explanation. Basically talk.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata

even if she does love him , he doesn't always have to say sorry 😆 . After marriage kya sorry hi bolta rahega. 😆 It's Mauli's fault and he deserves an explaination. And he should ask for one.


hehe. i agree..
he shouldnt be apologetic everytime..
understanding hona is good.. but taking all blames isnt good..

actually the thing is some of us are taking this "kya kar rhe ho kunal" very seriously and some like me didnt even pay heed to her mentioning kunal instead of ishaan..
i know ishaan is already hurt and confused and insecure.. and it looks like a hurtful thing to us.. but mauli doesnt know the level of his insecurities he has developed during these days..
so probably she wont even know what he is going through.. and the guy will not show that he is deeply hurt..

had mauli loved kunal and thats why she had taken his name then it would be hurtful thing for me but since she is getting habitual of taking kunal's name so i am not hurt..

for me what hurted me more was letting kunal go with his stupid plan.
if i were mauli i would have made an excuse of emergency and would have gone to ishaan..
for me that was more hurting than her taking kunal's name..
anyways, i have said it many times that ishaan has done enough.. now its mauLi's turn..
when i said this , two days later ishaan also said the same ke main hi kyu efforts kru. mauli bhi kre..
and i feel mauli is also putting efforts..
but its hard for her to manage both kunal and her love life..

i really hope mauli can look through ishaan. lekin aisa hoga nhi na.. ishaan has to backout and then only mauli can express her sentiments for him..
lets wait and watch what they have for us.

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