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Posted: 6 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: looseseal




By that logic, its not even an EMA then. Theres is no cheating, because its about two different people or entities as you put it.
Kunal who used to made green tea for Mouli didn't cheat on her. But Kunal 2.0 who loves kheer cheated on her. So, how can we expect an apology or even regret and who will we expect it from? Green tea making husband of Mouli didn't do it so he shouldn't have to apologise.
And kheer loving, Nandini loving Kunal is a whole different entity than the one who married Mouli, so he doesn't owe Mouli fidelity or apology?

So, who actually owes Mouli an apology? Or does she not deserve apology at all? ANd what is the guarantee that this Kunal is return of original Kunal and not the third entity?





First of all calm down... It's just a way of looking at these characters and this has been used in this forum from first few months of EMA, this is how Kunal, Nandini and Mauli fans discuss things from the beginning...

I don't remember how it originated but I guess @Pamk06 or @Mango_Pudding brought this concept of two Kunals...

Kunal is a character, there are different shades in the character so essentially only Mauli's Kunal will apologize to her, repent and regret... Nandini's Kunal won't feel sorry...He changed drastically after falling for Nandini didn't he? It was a different man altogether, the traits of Kunal in both phases were different...

Take Robot for example - Chitti was a good robot and the bad one was called version 2.0... Both were the same robots but with different qualities...

Hope you got my point
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Posted: 6 years ago
#52
@Anahi - Hi

Something is wrong with my page, can't quote it so pasting here...

"kunan fans used to say the same.. maunal fans used to bash them for this..
strange that now this is used as an explanation for kunal's love for nandini by a maunal fan.."


I don't remember any Maunal fan bashing KuNan fan for this, this whole Kunal falling for Nandini because she was different from any other woman in his life wasn't presented by a KuNan fan, this came from @Mango_Pudding, he or she wasn't KuNan fan, in fact we discussed everything in that long page created by @Mango_Pudding we tried to understand the reasons for Kunal falling out of love, I don't recall any bashing for this at least from my side because I was a part of their conversation and it made sense to me...
Edited by FruitToasty - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

@Anahi - Hi

hello!!

Something is wrong with my page, can't quote it so pasting here...

its cool ! IF is weird as always..

"kunan fans used to say the same.. maunal fans used to bash them for this..
strange that now this is used as an explanation for kunal's love for nandini by a maunal fan.."

I don't remember any Maunal fan bashing KuNan fan for this, because this whole Kunal falling for Nandini because she was different from any other woman in bus life wasn't presented by a KuNan fan, this came from @Mango_Pudding, he or she wasn't KuNan fan, in fact we discussed everything in that long page created by @Mango_Pudding we tried to understand the reasons for Kunal falling out of love, I don't recall any bashing for this at least frm my side because I was a part of their conversation and it made sense to me..

i wasnt talking about this particular group but there were posts in the forum from others also.. basically kunan fans to support kunal and nandini's relationship..
anyways, makers had enough time to show divine angles but they never bothered to show why kunal liked nandini.. his family and existence of strong women in his life were used as excuses for his getting attracted to nandini.. okay fine! he gets attracted.. but this attraction led to sleeping with that woman, and then getting mad in her love, fighting and abusing with his own jaana , doubting accusing mauli... leaving mauli and then never looking back if she is alive or not..
this cant be attraction.. if that was then shame on kunal for being so impulsive , immature, irresponsible person and for being an insensitive and indifferent husband.

he was CRUEL!
so whatever his excuses were, those cant justify why he did all that with mauli..
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Posted: 6 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: FruitToasty



First of all calm down... It's just a way of looking at these characters and this has been used in this forum from first few months of EMA, this is how Kunal, Nandini and Mauli fans discuss things from the beginning...

I don't remember how it originated but I guess @Pamk06 or @Mango_Pudding brought this concept of two Kunals...

Kunal is a character, there are different shades in the character so essentially only Mauli's Kunal will apologize to her, repent and regret... Nandini's Kunal won't feel sorry...He changed drastically after falling for Nandini didn't he? It was a different man altogether, the traits of Kunal in both phases were different...

Take Robot for example - Chitti was a good robot and the bad one was called version 2.0... Both were the same robots but with different qualities...

Hope you got my point


First of all stop telling me how to feel, especially since you are always so defensive. What about my post wasn't "calm"? Stop making post with preconceived idea that everyone is always attacking you for being MouNal fan.

Kunal is a character with shade not a robot that can be rebooted. Whoever brought the concept of two Kunals is not relevant. I saw you posting and defending it so I asked question. As you always say we can discuss about it. So we are discussing. And I argument is that since Kunal is a human character, unlike Chitti, he cannot be rebooted or fixed.
So for the sake of my discussion I aske: if there are two Kunals, which is apologising?
And why should Mouli's Kunal apologise, if it was Nandini's Kunal who did the nasty stuff?

Like, if Chitti was good, but someone seduced Chitti and turned it into Chitti 2.0 then it goes and does bad stuff should Chitti number one apologise?

Bold: And I am sorry, but I have been in this forum since early September and noone other than handful of Kunal apologist have made any such arguments.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Silpa91

After mauli found out the affair kunal was confusing.He claimed to love Nandini but he seemed a bit guilty then completely ignored mauli her sufferings her pain.Nothing mattered to him.He was firm he wanted nandini.I can never understand kunal.


Yeah, the whole EMA track, we can all agree was confusing.

From episode 74 to 81, it seemed Kunal was inclined towards Mauli. Why do I think that?

Episode 74 - Kunal is at home having flashbacks of all his and Mauli's moments and seems like he having remorse.
Episode 77 - Kunal stops Mauli from tearing their photos and tells her they were a perfect couple and whatever they had was not a lie.
Episode 78 - Kunal is short with Nandini on the phone, when she calls and asks how he is and how Mauli is.
Episode 79 - When Mauli is at the temple and Nandini comes there, and they have a confrontation, Nandini herself at that time says she doesn't know if Kunal is with her or not, or how he's feeling/what's going through his mind, hinting that Kunal himself hasn't come to a final decision in the Mauli vs. Nandini dilemma. Later on, when Kunal gets into a car accident, he is thinking about Mauli's words and Radhika's words.
Episode 80 - Even when Nandini brings Kunal home to care for him after his accident, he is lost and silent and not talking to her at all. In fact he is instead having flashbacks of his moments with Mauli and even dreams about Mauli. When Mauli calls him asking him to meet her, he instantly answers his phone.
Episode 81 - Kunal is shocked (I mean they even zoomed into his face a few times 😆) when Mauli asks for divorce. He even tells her "kya hum bethkar baat nae karsakthe iss bare mein" or something along those lines, meaning he doesn't yet want a divorce and wants to work it out.

It's only in episode 82 that the writers/Kunal took a u-turn and he told Nandini that their love isn't wrong, they are not wrong, and they will stay together and fight, he will always be with her, so on so forth. Maybe this is when the track deviated from the original track, that led DD to ultimately quit.

Needless to say, in the episode when Mauli finds out and has a confrontation (episode 74) and she dresses up in a sari, asks Kunal if she should cook him something, asks if those were the qualities that attracted him to Nandini in the first place, asks what quality Nandini had that she didn't, asks where she went wrong/what mistake she made/what her short coming was, asks if the was not a good wife or daughter in law, asks what nakhra of Kunal's she didn't "uthao", asks if they were a perfect couple how Nandini came in the middle then, and best of all when Mauli says she isn't Nandini, she is Mauli, she isn't like this (to be wearing a sari) nor does she want to be Nandini, so then all these years who did Kunal love then and did he even in love her in all those years? - and Kunal said "Asa kuch nae hai", "Koe kaami nae hai" or just stood there silently. All those questions are still unanswered. In fact, that whole scene is a representation of us viewers - Where we are Mauli and asking Gajra what happened that led to the EMA and Gajra is Kunal and has no solid answer/is silent 😆.

One question they finally did answer (from episode 75) when Mauli asked Kunal "Kub Kunal? When did you fall for her? Was it during the bridge collapse, or when she made you a chocolate cake or was it at first sight when you saved her from downing in the pool?". They answered it for Mauli in this past Friday's episode during the whole sari scene when Mauli realizes the rain dance was the moment. So 100 episodes later, from episode 75 to 175, Gajra managed to give Mauli one answer 😆



Edited by ritzbitz786 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#56


Apparently this whole thing was written by me only, as I said this didn't come from a KuNan fan..

Post by @Mango_Pudding
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I quoted someone and wrote -

"I guess we are trying too hard to see him as someone who needs a reason to fall out of marriage, we are seeing him as a perfect man who's in pure love with Nandini, but that's not the thing, falling out of love doesn't need a reason, it just happens, it's easy to fall in love with people but it's difficult to like them, with Kunal and Mauli, I think they passed the phase where you can't keep your hands off of each other, their romance was very much alive but I think falling for Nandini has a lot to do with his upbringing, he has been surrounded by strong women all his life, his mom may have needed him emotionally at some point same goes for Mauli but they never needed him to help them physically, they are self-sufficient in many ways, Mauli can punch Rajdeep so Kunal doesn't have to help her, do you remember the scene after dance competition where Kunal was thrashing Rajdeep and Mauli stopped him, then she said she'll take care of Rajdeep and she went to speak with him, do you think Kunal would allow Nandini the same space to speak with Rajdeep alone as he allowed Mauli, he didn't hound Mauli because he knows that she's strong, from beginning to upcoming episodes when society women are insulting Nandini, KuNan has been about Kunal saving Nandini, Nandini boosts that part of Kunal which needed to be a protector, that's why they don't have any sort of emotional bonding, their relationship is purely physical where Kunal is playing role of a protector and Nandini of a woman who needs him in every way, with his protector instincts he can't even ask Mauli to be more like Nandini or be someone she's not, so here comes the point of falling in love and liking her, he's in love with Nandini now, but would he in future when she acts like she is acting now? She is codependent and sometimes things that you love about your partner irk you when you spend more time with them, Nandini needing him is a brand new experience so he's drawn to her now but this will wear off and he'd expect her to change in future
Edited by FruitToasty - 19 September 2018 at 8:36am"

I have never seen what KuNan had as love, it was always an addiction to me because love doesn't destroy you
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Posted: 6 years ago
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@Looseseal @PW @Mili, matlab yaar, if posts could get awards, ya'll would get them. Dil khush hogya parhke. Amazing, just amazing.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786


Yeah, the whole EMA track, we can all agree was confusing.

From episode 74 to 81, it seemed Kunal was inclined towards Mauli. Why do I think that?

Episode 74 - Kunal is at home having flashbacks of all his and Mauli's moments and seems like he having remorse.
Episode 77 - Kunal stops Mauli from tearing their photos and tells her they were a perfect couple and whatever they had was not a lie.
Episode 78 - Kunal is short with Nandini on the phone, when she calls and asks how he is and how Mauli is.
Episode 79 - When Mauli is at the temple and Nandini comes there, and they have a confrontation, Nandini herself at that time says she doesn't know if Kunal is with her or not, or how he's feeling/what's going through his mind, hinting that Kunal himself hasn't come to a final decision in the Mauli vs. Nandini dilemma. Later on, when Kunal gets into a car accident, he is thinking about Mauli's words and Radhika's words.
Episode 80 - Even when Nandini brings Kunal home to care for him after his accident, he is lost and silent and not talking to her at all. In fact he is instead having flashbacks of his moments with Mauli and even dreams about Mauli. When Mauli calls him asking him to meet her, he instantly answers his phone.
Episode 81 - Kunal is shocked (I mean they even zoomed into his face a few times 😆) when Mauli asks for divorce. He even tells her "kya hum bethkar baat nae karsakthe iss bare mein" or something along those lines, meaning he doesn't yet want a divorce and wants to work it out.

It's only in episode 82 that the writers/Kunal took a u-turn and he told Nandini that their love isn't wrong, they are not wrong, and they will stay together and fight, he will always be with her, so on so forth. Maybe this is when the track deviated from the original track, that led DD to ultimately quit.

Needless to say, in the episode when Mauli finds out and has a confrontation (episode 74) and she dresses up in a sari, asks Kunal if she should cook him something, asks if those were the qualities that attracted him to Nandini in the first place, asks what quality Nandini had that she didn't, asks where she went wrong/what mistake she made/what her short coming was, asks if the was not a good wife or daughter in law, asks what nakhra of Kunal's she didn't "uthao", asks if they were a perfect couple how Nandini came in the middle then, and best of all when Mauli says she isn't Nandini, she is Mauli, she isn't like this (to be wearing a sari) nor does she want to be Nandini, so then all these years who did Kunal love then and did he even in love her in all those years? - and Kunal said "Asa kuch nae hai", "Koe kaami nae hai" or just stood there silently. All those questions are still unanswered. In fact, that whole scene is a representation of us viewers - Where we are Mauli and asking Gajra what happened that led to the EMA and Gajra is Kunal and has no solid answer/is silent 😆.

One question they finally did answer (from episode 75) when Mauli asked Kunal "Kub Kunal? When did you fall for her? Was it during the bridge collapse, or when she made you a chocolate cake or was it at first sight when you saved her from downing in the pool?". They answered it for Mauli in this past Friday's episode during the whole sari scene when Mauli realizes the rain dance was the moment. So 100 episodes later, from epiosde 75 to 175, Gajra managed to give Mauli one answer 😆




Exactly! You could literally see where they tried to turn around and whitewash Nandini and demonize Kunal completely. Up until the birthday episode Kunal seemed to have consciousness and Nandini was the one who seemed in trance and oblivious of what she had done to her bff but then it just derailed.

Remember the Navaratri episode where she got so jealous seeing Kunal and Mouli dance? We could see the "insecure" wide/mistress right there. But for some reason from then on they completely white washed her with the genius plan of organising the b-day party (heheh how similiar KuNan really are, both think they know Mouli the best and both of them prove it by giving a cheap gift) and then later "sacrificing" her love for the baby.
But for that Kunal was butchered beyond anyone's imagination. They basically made him obsessive NAndini pujari who couldn't go a moment without her and would stoop to any level if he thought someone (Mouli), so much as said few words in anger to Nandini.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786

@Looseseal @PW @Mili, matlab yaar, if posts could get awards, ya'll would get them. Dil khush hogya parhke. Amazing, just amazing.


Thanks. I think we all do for the patience :) You went back and checked all the episodes? WHy would you put yourself through all that?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: looseseal



First of all stop telling me how to feel, especially since you are always so defensive. What about my post wasn't "calm"? Stop making post with preconceived idea that everyone is always attacking you for being MouNal fan.

Kunal is a character with shade not a robot that can be rebooted. Whoever brought the concept of two Kunals is not relevant. I saw you posting and defending it so I asked question. As you always say we can discuss about it. So we are discussing. And I argument is that since Kunal is a human character, unlike Chitti, he cannot be rebooted or fixed.
So for the sake of my discussion I aske: if there are two Kunals, which is apologising?
And why should Mouli's Kunal apologise, if it was Nandini's Kunal who did the nasty stuff?

Like, if Chitti was good, but someone seduced Chitti and turned it into Chitti 2.0 then it goes and does bad stuff should Chitti number one apologise?

Bold: And I am sorry, but I have been in this forum since early September and noone other than handful of Kunal apologist have made any such arguments.



I am sorry for the preconceived notion...

That's how we discussed Kunal and changes in his character, I can't change it, it made sense to everyone who took part in that discussion. It's okay if you don't see him that way, it's just that we discussed him like this...

None was a Kunal apologist there, Kunal is not a human, he is a character as the producer had said that everything was left to viewer's interpretation, we used to interpret what went wrong and what happened in the story.


Mauli's Kunal will apologize means Nandini's Kunal never cared about anyone but himself and Nandini, Mauli's Kunal was considerate and he is the one who will realize that he was wrong...

Chitti was a humanoid with feelings like human, I gave his example because the story was presented in a way that you will understand how we discussed Kunal...try to understand it please...

When 2.0 killed people, it was Chitti who apologized in court and was dismantled by Dr. Vashikaran... Chitti and 2.0 were same characters, same face, same body everything with different traits... I am not saying Kunal and Chitti both are robots, It was just an example of one person with different traits...this is the only one that came in my mind at that time
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