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Posted: 6 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: krystal_watz


First tell me why you tried to divert the topic by saying 'why do we have to discuss clothes in relation to men only'. YOU started talking about clothes and harassment.

If dress attracts unwanted attention then its the fault of the person who is giving that attention. You were practically blaming girls for unwanted attention.



Me saying otherwise will change what is real scenario ?
Our daughters are asked to wear a dress below knee length on their birthdays.
Schools dont allow leggings,no jeans,no sleevless dress,dupatta compulsory for teachers.
You think they are regressive ?
Can a teacher doll up like Nandini and go to teach ?


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Posted: 6 years ago
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You're confusing two different things. Schools and office have dress codes, you have to follow them. All official places have conservative dress codes.

But that does not mean that if I dress skimpily then I should get blamed for harassment. Don't confuse the two things.
Edited by krystal_watz - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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If dressing doesnt affects men ...then why did rajdeep dress nandini .
Kunal fell for Nandini only bcoz of how she is and mauli isnt.

We are just kidding ourselves telling what we wear doesnt affect men.
Infact the whole system of decking up even at tribal people level will show ...dressing ,piercing all is done to get mates.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

LOL so if other countries have rapist, then India should follow them?


Btw that list means nothing. US is at the top because the rate of reported rapes is higher. India has a very low rate of reporting rapes. Please read up on this subject. India's 90% of rapes don't get reported and punished, whereas, in other countries rapes get reported and convicted.

In USA ppl don't shame rape victims or blame gals for being raped.There gals have freedom to wear what they want they don't judge gals on the basis of their dressing style.You are right becoz of conservative approch in India all rape cases are not reported.Ppl know here victim will be shamed instead of rapist.Like the women in that thread were telling that short clothes attract unwanted attention.Rape has nothing to do with clothes becoz in India even 2 month baby is being raped ab kehdo baby kapde nahi pehenti so she attracts unwanted attention .Does the woman in burkha are not raped no they are also raped.Clothing is pathetic excuse given by certain regressive ppl and blaming the victim.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

LOL so if other countries have rapist, then India should follow them?


Btw that list means nothing. US is at the top because the rate of reported rapes is higher. India has a very low rate of reporting rapes. Please read up on this subject. India's 90% of rapes don't get reported and punished, whereas, in other countries rapes get reported and convicted.


I believe the problem of rapes not getting reported is pretty universal.
Just a few days ago, I happened to have come across reliable statistics in context of US, where they said, more than half of the cases in US too go unreported for various reasons. Most of these cases involve a known person who is the culprit. I remember Ellen DeGeneres accusing her step-father of sexually harassing her & how she could do nothing about it since at that time her mother was suffering from Cancer & her own mother kind of didn't support her at that time. Sexual harassment is a common issue faced by them too but they find it uncomfortable to talk about it.
Quora has a lot of questions mentioning statistics which make it a conclusion that problem of cases going unreported is quite serious even in developed countries where we think shaming is less & conviction is quick.
Same is the issue in China where victims are discouraged to file cases & are further ridiculed by the society & the system.

Some problems in dealing with cases of Rapes in countries like US, China, UK, Germany, South Africa, India are that while rape cases manage to cover news-headlines here on regular basis, same doesn't happen in US or Germany or South Africa on the scale as it happens her. Which I think is a good thing, since India, US atleast recognizes that it has a grave problem unlike many other which for the sake of keeping their image & records clean discourage that.

Stigma with rape & victim blaming is everywhere as per my analysis about it. It's high time, people understand that they aren't being great but normal if they don't harass or rape a woman. Normal people are supposed to behave decently rather than turn animals with low level of conscience.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

LOL so if other countries have rapist, then India should follow them?


Btw that list means nothing. US is at the top because the rate of reported rapes is higher. India has a very low rate of reporting rapes. Please read up on this subject. India's 90% of rapes don't get reported and punished, whereas, in other countries rapes get reported and convicted.

There is a reason why it doesnt get reported.
For exactly the same reason daughters are discouraged to wear certain dresses.
Its easy to say something.
When it happens to you in reality ...then the brain functions differently.
You wont know how traumatic it is.
So taking some precautions wont cost anything.
May be you should meet some victims...you will know even if nobody shams them ...they themselves start feeling bad about themselves and their bodies.
I cant argue more on this ...

i will keep my PoV on this matter to myself


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshi_asya


I believe the problem of rapes not getting reported is pretty universal.
Just a few days ago, I happened to have come across reliable statistics in context of US, where they said, more than half of the cases in US too go unreported for various reasons. Most of these cases involve a known person who is the culprit. I remember Ellen DeGeneres accusing her step-father of sexually harassing her & how she could do nothing about it since at that time her mother was suffering from Cancer & her own mother kind of didn't support her at that time. Sexual harassment is a common issue faced by them too but they find it uncomfortable to talk about it.
Quora has a lot of questions mentioning statistics which make it a conclusion that problem of cases going unreported is quite serious even in developed countries where we think shaming is less & conviction is quick.
Same is the issue in China where victims are discouraged to file cases & are further ridiculed by the society & the system.

Some problems in dealing with cases of Rapes in countries like US, China, UK, Germany, South Africa, India are that while rape cases manage to cover news-headlines here on regular basis, same doesn't happen in US or Germany or South Africa on the scale as it happens her. Which I think is a good thing, since India, US atleast recognizes that it has a grave problem unlike many other which for the sake of keeping their image & records clean discourage that.

Stigma with rape & victim blaming is everywhere as per my analysis about it. It's high time, people understand that they aren't being great but normal if they don't harass or rape a woman. Normal people are supposed to behave decently rather than turn animals with low level of conscience.

Yep i agree problem exsist everywhere but it is more in India.Here victim is blamed for getting raped and most of ppl blame victim clothing .Have you seen politician from USA giving statements that gal should wear full clothes to save herself from rape nope there may be other reasons for not reporting the rape but In india woman is blamed to such extent that politician in India gave ridiculus statements about rape victims.This is dofference bw USA and India.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: TheMockingBird

Yep i agree problem exsist everywhere but it is more in India.Here victim is blamed for getting raped and most of ppl blame victim clothing .Have you seen politician from USA giving statements that gal should wear full clothes to save herself from rape nope there may be other reasons for not reporting the rape but In india woman is blamed to such extent that politician in India gave ridiculus statements about rape victims.This is dofference bw USA and India.


Well given how politicians behave in India and what is happening in US right now with Kavanaugh & Mr. Trump openly supporting him, I think on certain issues, we are not on much different pages. Besides, what they call "slip of tongue" is a serious case in both the countries.

India definitely is not better than US, but US on this issue definitely can'e be a standard.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: chirpyhapibird

There is a reason why it doesnt get reported.
For exactly the same reason daughters are discouraged to wear certain dresses.
Its easy to say something.
When it happens to you in reality ...then the brain functions differently.
You wont know how traumatic it is.
So taking some precautions wont cost anything.
May be you should meet some victims...you will know even if nobody shams them ...they themselves start feeling bad about themselves and their bodies.
I cant argue more on this ...

i will keep my PoV on this matter to myself



Just so I am correct, are you saying that its better to dress conservatively so that the men do not get enticed. Let me tell you, they are both mutually exclusive. Dressing and rape has nothing to do with each other. Rapes happen in villages too where people are covered from top to bottom in clothes. Infact its more prevalent there than in cities.The only difference is that they are not reported because of this exact attitude of our society to still blame the girl and boycott the whole family.

I think instead of telling girls to dress conservatively, educate them in self defense classes so that they are capable enough to protect themselves and other if the need arises. Make them strong so that they can never find themselves in that situation and are capable enough fight back the predators as well as the whole society if the need arises. Educate the boys on what rape is and how it impacts people, family, nation so that they do not walk that path nor allow anyone to walk that path nor come under the peer pressure to do something that is so horrible. Be open with them.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshi_asya


Well given how politicians behave in India and what is happening in US right now with Kavanaugh & Mr. Trump openly supporting him, I think on certain issues, we are not on much different pages. Besides, what they call "slip of tongue" is a serious case in both the countries.

India definitely is not better than US, but US on this issue definitely can'e be a standard.

Does in USA or other developed countries gals are s**t shamed becoz of wearing short dressings by other woman bevoz this debate started when one member posted that the way nandini dresses she looks like prostitute.And some(not all) members supported her that gals needs to dress up according to country they are living in .As india is conservative country so woman needs to dressesd up in full clothes because short clothes look provocative and rapes happens becoz of it.I call it regressive thinking whether its in India or USA doesn't matter what's your take on it?

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