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Posted: 7 years ago
I don't think discussions on a character should be necessarily taken as efforts to justify or to deem the said character flawless.Heathcliff is discussed and analysed,the treatment and abuse he suffered at the hands of his love's brother and some of the servants is brought in to analyse his behaviour to them and others after he has grown up,mostly not with the intention to justify him or see him in a positive light but to understand what drove his actions and words.Understanding isn't justifying or agreeing.
Of course nandini is flawed,she does not ponder deeply upon how wrong kunal turned out to be a husband,she is selfish because she decides he is good because he is good to her and the fact that he did or does not even show basic decency to mauli as a human has no impact on her view of him.I don't think anyone( but 1 or 2 members on the forum) says that she isn't flawed.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06



Fighting for others and fighting for oneself when you are emotionally raw are two completely different things.

Anyways, I was asking so that Kunal feels shamefaced and guilty. Mauli is not the one who's wrong here.


she can fight for herself as well for kunal until he is with her...so she can fight for others too..
she dose not need clutches but kunal needs that..whenever he is with her nobody dare to point fingers at him because of her..
dialogue is based on that --
what kunal says is from his perspective..
but her answer is from her perspective..

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Or we are complicating a very simple thing, Nandini is supposed to be flawed, why look for reasons to see her as flawless?

If Nandini witnessed only bad marriages and for the first time she saw a marriage which wasn't bad but doesn't Kunal's love for her shatter the image of a good wedding? How easy it was for Kunal to forget everything he had for Mauli in matter of a month, if it was about not seeing good marriage, Kunal and Mauli's marriage isn't exactly good and the problem is not Mauli, it's Kunal so why would Nandini fall for a bad husband?

Or she just picks men over women, she picked Rajdeep over Mauli now she picked Kunal over Mauli, the problem isn't that kunal was a bad husband because that's not even a thing, Kunal is good to Nandini, if Kunal had cheated on Mauli with nurse in his office, on whose side do you think Nandini would have been? Mauli's right? Now Kunal cheated on Mauli but he cheated on her with Nandini, so she doesn't care, that's the flaw

Don't we all live with people? Nandini is not mogli, your interpretation would have been apt for mogli, a woman, who was brought from jungle and married one man who beat her and kept her in isolation then she witnessed Maunal

I don't think writer is trying to say that or this is even a gap, it's crystal clear that Nandini is a flawed character

I saw the added lines in this post now so replying,I don't think nandini's surprise was at the fact that kunal isn't abusive,I think it was at the fact that kunal was a different husband than her father and the likes.She wasn't ignorant enough to think that all men are abusive but yes she had seen dynamics like kunal-mauli's for the first time and I think it is completely possible to witness dynamics like these between husband wife only after you have lived over 2 or 3 decades on this planet.Lucknow might be a big capital city but may be nandini's circle was really conservative.It wasn't only that kunal was open with mauli or used to tease and banter with her,it was also that their relationship was on an equal footing with mutual respect (which declined from kunal's side later of course) and sharing of responsibilities/not strictly confirming to traditional gender roles.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06

Question :

Knowing CVs penchant for festivals, Do you guys think Cvs are heading towards Dussehera. Its celebrated on the 10th day of Navratri which they are celebrating currently and Its a festival that celebrates the win of good over bad, the right over the wrong. So going with that, as Kunal and Nandini relationship is wrong as per the society, will it be destroyed on that day and will Mauli get justice and she will start her new journey.



That would actually make sense. Since I started watching, here's what they've done.

Bhang and holi - The family realizes that Nandini and Kunal may be closer than they should be.
Maha shivratri (I think that was the next one right) - Mauli sees Nandini and Kunal and realizes her life is broken.
Navratri - Nandini sees Mauli and Kunal are getting close (even though they really aren't).
Dussehra - The last nail in the coffin for Kunal and Nandini. Nandini is told to leave and she finally does, deciding that Kunal used her and that he betrayed her.

In a way, the CVs have been using festivals as a method of taking the show forward so I wouldn't put it past them. It would be both symbolic and a great TRP raiser for them.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: Saazhumsafars

I don't think discussions on a character should be necessarily taken as efforts to justify or to deem the said character flawless.Heathcliff is discussed and analysed,the treatment and abuse he suffered at the hands of his love's brother and some of the servants is brought in to analyse his behaviour to them and others after he has grown up,mostly not with the intention to justify him or see him in a positive light but to understand what drove his actions and words.Understanding isn't justifying or agreeing.

Of course nandini is flawed,she does not ponder deeply upon how wrong kunal turned out to be a husband,she is selfish because she decides he is good because he is good to her and the fact that he did or does not even show basic decency to mauli as a human has no impact on her view of him.I don't think anyone( but 1 or 2 members on the forum) says that she isn't flawed.



The problem is that when you look to a show, you look to see how these flaws can be corrected, not flawed more (if that makes any sense).

For example, when you watch a crime show, you watch to see how a flawed character (namely the criminal) went wrong and what could have been done to avoid it. We spend all our time trying to find the clues, the motives, the evidence to catch the criminal because we want the flaw to be corrected. We don't spend enough time thinking about how the police officer or detective is flawed in his or her approach to the case.

When I watch Silsila, I'm looking to see how the CVs are fixing the flaws in all the characters. I ask myself, what are they going to do to Rajdeep? How will they fix this EMA? What is the right course to take in this case? Why did Kunal go outside his marriage? Why didn't Nandini think for a minute that she was ruining her own best friend's home?

Everyone is flawed. No one is perfect. But we all strive to be perfect and that is why when we watch TV or movies, we often look to see situations or characteristics we can emulate. I know in my case, for example, when I was younger and I watched Andaz Apna Apna for the first time, I went around emulating Amar in everything for a while, trying to think of myself smarter as the rest and getting them twisted in my words (I failed mind you). And no I'm not talking about being influenced. The song Aati Kya Khandela is not responsible for the rise in eveteasing. What I mean is we are looking for good traits to emulate. Like when Salman Khan used to play the shy, gentleman Prem, you bet there were a lot of men who started emulating that because they thought it was a good trait.

To make long things short, what I'm trying to say is that when we talk about Nandini's flaws or Kunal's flaws or any character's flaws, we're trying to dissect the behaviour and trying to understand where they went wrong. We're trying to put them on the right path so that we can feel that despite their flaws, these characters preserved and we can emulate that going forward.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Let's agree to disagree on this, when I see Nandini I see a 30 year old woman, I can believe if you'd said that she didn't know "Sex can be good" because obviously the only man in her life was Rajdeep and I can believe that he was her first but I am sorry it is really difficult to believe that you don't see married couple in India, that too in Lucknow, and Nandini has to be a robot not to notice Mauli's father after knowing Mauli for 8 years...


Anyway, moving on I have a question do you think KuNan's love is pretty much on the surface? Someone mentioned they love how they make each other feel but don't love each other individually and I do feel it's easier to love someone but not to like someone..

Nandini keeps saying that kunal is a good man, a good husband but right now she's in a phase where she can't see that the good husband and a good man is hurting his wife, that doesn't equate to a good husband, or she says that because she loves him and when you love someone you make a mental picture of them as a good human? I was going through the Twitter comments about recent allegation on an actor and people were like "He can't do this, he's a nice man, he can never do this" and they don't even know him but they can't picture themselves appreciating or even thinking that they ever liked an actor who could do this..

Secondly, remember when Nandini went to fulfill Dida's mannat amidst natural calamity Kunal had said something like he likes that Nandini is selfless in her actions but now when Dida had a heart attack Nandini doesn't even care, so ideally wouldn't he think how can someone think about such a frivolous thing when someone's life's at stake?

I guess they have built a mental image of each other which is not real or doesn't resonate with their reality, their love for each other makes them opposite of what they liked about each other...
What do you think?
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

A fesitival track with lots of tension has to culminate into something, like a major revelation. I hope it ends with Dida finding out about how serious Kunal is about Nandini. I think we may finally get to see that "seena thaan ke proclamation" from Kunal. And by the time we get to that scene, I think a lot would have happened and Nandini may even decide to go away. So I am imagining a scene where he bursts out in front of Dida and then running behind Nandini to stop her?? Something like that ..😆

But if you look at it from a good Vs bad angle (marriage surviving over EMA) , may be we will see Nandini going away, and Kunal just mute and silent , not really doing anything (as always) making Dida feel her mission has been accomplished. In which case , along with Kunal, Mauli will also get butchered. They both may silently acquiesce to continue staying in the marriage and then, we may get a time leap. But instead of them staying in the marriage, I'd much rather have them separate and then may be a time leap.



I do want the first scenario to play out and based on the OLV's that where they are heading).If Nandini leaves, will Kunal breakdown or will he just take it in stride and move on? (If they go with the breakdown, will Shakti be able to pull it off because this would be his chance to show his acting prowess). Irrespective of whatever happens, I do want Mauli to make a conscious choice either ways and not just flow with it just because of family pressure, or circumstances,etc. (Would be a nice change from other FL's).

Separate would be my choice but then let's see what Mauli decides or rather CVs or Kunal might just surprise us and make the choice himself (Highly doubt though)
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1



@bold 🤣

if it does happen, then we might get a leap as per rumours? certainly many of us here would cheer on a new track of a new journey. there is only so much of broken mauli we can watch...



I am so ready for the new track. This has been dragging and my patience is running out especially seeing Dida's ways Of fixing marriage. I thought this Monday would be the day but they are going to drag it for one more week and this week with broken Mauli we have an added bonus of broken Nandini. 😆 Hopefulky broken Kunal at the end and not confused Kunal 😆 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
Pamk06- No more confused Kunal please 🤔
In the last episode, he looked like this scared little boy, who was trying to escape a good scolding from the adults for the mischief he has done. And the last scene, 😆 he was soo shocked to see Mauli in a 'chandi' avatar. Honestly, I thought she may whack him one with that dandiya stick.

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: WhyHate



You put across a good argument for Nandini, but somewhere I feel that whatever Kunal did, Mauli could have done as well. Now I haven't watched from the beginning so I don't know about all the scenes you're talking about, but let's say for example the suicide scene.

When Nandini decided to commit suicide, if Mauli had been there, I'm sure she would have talked Nandini out of it as well. Your argument only holds true in this case because Kunal was there. What if Mauli had seen Nandini run out to commit suicide. She would have gone after her and convinced her otherwise.

With Nandini's blouse unzipping, I feel that this is one place where sometimes a woman doesn't know what to do. If you think about it, when say your bra strap is showing, a gentleman usually ignores it, but a woman points it out. If your neckline is deep, a gentleman will mostly ignore it, but a woman will point that out. Similarly, if your blouse or dress or skirt is about to unzip, a gentleman will try to help you out, but a woman might be at a loss as to what to do. It happened with a friend of mine. We were at a party and the dress she was wearing was tied in the back and that's the only thing that was holding the top part of the dress up. Now she used to wear that dress often, so the threads had begun to wear and that day they finally snapped. One of our common male friends standing behind her caught the threads before they fell and helped her into another room where she changed. I was also standing behind her, but I was actually at a loss what to do. I saw the thread coming undone and my first reaction was to tell her. If I had done that it would have been too late because by then the thread would have given away and she would have been exposed.

Also somewhere it has to do with the character of each. Mauli is a more practical person. Look at the way she is dealing with this EMA. She had an emotional breakdown, but now she's practical. Kunal isn't mine anymore, he doesn't love me, so divorce him. Okay we have to live together for a month, but I won't question him and in fact I'll help him meet his love. That's Mauli. Practical thinking. Kunal is more emotional thinking. He didn't tell Mauli about his love for Nandini because he didn't want to hurt her. He feels hurt seeing Mauli in pain, but he isn't feeling guilty. He came back on Dida's say-so because emotions count. Let's reverse the EMA situation. If Mauli had fallen in love with someone else, she would have told Kunal because it makes sense practically.

Now, let's say all your arguments are correct to this point. It makes sense that Nandini fell for Kunal and Kunal fell for Nandini. But did neither of them think for a second of all the people they would be causing pain to? I don't mean just Mauli. I mean Yamini, Dida, themselves, Nandini's family. Did they seriously think engaging in EMA was better than just divorcing and then getting married? When they first had sex, Nandini had just gone through trauma. And she started pulling Kunal towards her. Is that really the only thing Nandini could think of? Both of their arguments are that they couldn't control themselves, things just happened. Things don't just happen. We take steps towards them. We can take steps away from them as well. Nandini and Kunal could have controlled themselves. When Nandini made a move to leave, Kunal could have let her go. When Kunal tried to come close to her, Nandini could have stopped him. When Mauli would phone and ask Nandini where she was, she could have realized that she was lying and cheating her best friend and stopped herself. But they didn't.

@Bold- You're right that Mauli would have done the same exact thing but the fact remains that it was Kunal who was there when Mauli was not able to. And like @Pam said, Kunal happened to be in a lot of places where Nandani needed support. However, having a supportive friend or being there for someone you care about should not ever result in the kind of betrayal made by the two.
Also, about women not knowing what to do in those kind of moments is untrue in my opinion. In my experience, women do say random things that they find off, like lipstick being stuck on your teeth, if your dress rides up or what have you. I think the blouse zip is too big of a blunder for someone to not say anything about it. So I definitely disagree that Mauli didn't know how to approach that situation, especially since she's been vocal about much bigger instances.

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