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mango

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Posted: 7 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: VARUNI2014

Twisted analysis ...nandhini senses kunal she is other woman and knows what's happening and she is horrified if kunal leaves her ..so she is cautious ..

Where as maul is be g cheated ..hey g cheated people have lot of trust on others and do t read every thought on other person .. unless they get proof ..they trust that's it ..u r talking as though trusting is wrong
If maul has some negatives and u support kunal falling in love with nandhini ..Gandhi I has many more negativitues and tomorrow kunal so, go with another will u support that

if you read my disclaimer in my first post -- am not supporting any of these characters or the CVs. am just trying to read the story and understand what is happening. I understand that any criticism of mouli looks like a justification of kunal's affair with nandini but thats not what I am saying at all. my post had to do with mouli and nandini's friendship and why nandini may not feel guilty.

also to explain better - we are all responsible for our actions and the choices we make. but at the same time, how do people impact you and your actions? that is something we need to understand so that we can improve ourselves.

so it is from that perspective that I approach this story as well. kunal and nandini are responsible for the choice they make. the choice to cheat. they could have walked away from each other but they are choosing to stay and create the storm. maybe falling in love is not something that one has control over but one does have control over your actions. that said, mouli does have flaws and any discussion of that does not mean she is responsible for the choice that kunal and nandini make.

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SummerRain7

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Posted: 7 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

(sorry for cutting your post short - just wanted to respond to that one)
my take is that from the beginning, mouli is a nice person but has a tough time reading the room (and maybe thats why she doesn't seem to have any friends)... she tries really hard to be the opposite of her mom -- welcoming, warm, kind -- but just like her mom, she has no idea what others feel. (these are just fuzzy impressions as I can't remember the details) but one of the things that struck me odd was in her relationship with nandini.

yea, helping is good but you don't hold on to a person. if she wants to leave, then you say "yes". instead mouli gave nandini a kind of guilt trip like "omo, how dare you leave me?" which I thought strange. it felt like mouli never really understood nandini's dynamics -- one of the things that struck me in the article that I pasted above was how one of the women said that she wanted someone to listen without being judged. here, mouli is forever saying "oh nandini you are finally brave. am so proud of you" -- mouli might think she is being encouraging but in another way, it is almost patronizing and kind of judging no? like nandini wasn't strong and thats why she got abused?

whereas kunal was lot more kinder. he listened and even encouraged her. one of the details I remember is how nandini was petrified on signing this bank document but he just made it seem like a normal thing and asked her to instead practice her signature.. she then practiced and found her confidence. so her feeling more connected to kunal than mouli felt more organic that way.

also how many times do we see nandini calling and inviting herself to spend time with mouli? it is always mouli calling even when nandini does not want to do something. my guess is that because mouli's mom is this horrible difficult person, mouli hung on to nandini in school. nandini was a kind of break from the crazy negativity. and thats why mouli still wants to hold on to nandini in a way...

one of the phrases that has always struck with me -- "friends for a reason, friends for a season, friends for a lifetime." for a reason -- means is that sometimes God sends you friend to help you through a certain tough period. by nature, it is temporary and not reflection on either parties. after that reason, people move on. for a season refers to periods in our life -- school, college, a certain job. once we move out, the friendship naturally becomes distant and is a natural part of life. for a lifetime -- means permanent friendship.

mouli and nandini's friendship is not a lifetime friendship. instead, it has always been either a reason or a season. so there is a kind of short intensity and then a gradual distance. thats how life is. nandini has always known that which is why she has felt alone even though mouli was helping her out. for her, it was like a stranger helping out and you are intensely grateful but you are not going to put your whole life on hold or beholden to them your whole life. it was only kunal that she felt like he was a lifetime support and so she responds differently. the problem is the miscommunication in the sense that mouli has misinterpreted the friendship as lifetime when it really isn't.

ofcourse all of this would be easier to understand if the CVs had lot more dialogues then just silences and stares. 😉

So well explained Mango Pudding!! Mauli really must have had a hard time growing up with a mother who must have criticized her every action. Growing up with that kind of constant criticism must have naturally made her insecure about herself, which is carefully hidden under that outwardly confident and bubbly personality.That could be the reason why she is so over-enthusiaistic about doing things for people and pleasing them. That facet of her personality does come out in front of Kunal, when she worries she's not doing enough for them. Oh God! when this affair gets revealed that woman is going to give her hell!

When it comes to Nandini, only if the makers have put half the effort that we have, in discussing her, the impact of years of abuse would have been much more clearer and Nanidni wouldn't look like a poorly etched character.

Even the practicalities of dealing with an abusive husband, who is lurking around, waiting to hurt her is completely overlooked. A restraining order is the first thing they should have got, after bringing her home. But thankfully, it has been brought into the picture at least now. But they are still not shown discussing or worrying about Rajdeep. Its only when they are shown worrying, that the audience will worry along with them and will feel that dread. Isn't there a possibility that Rajdeep can do something like this again? When Kunal sees Nandini's call on the phone, it does not even occur to him that she could be calling for help, this inspite of what was shown recently. This is what makes the viewers also forget about the abuse as soon as the scenes of abuse are over.

Edited by SummerRain7 - 7 years ago

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mango

@mango.falooda

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Posted: 7 years ago

#23

@summerrain7 -- wish the CVs would not use domestic abuse as a kind of plot filler because the dynamics are far more complicated. I remember attending this NGO presentation once on the topic and one of the speakers said something that really gave me pause. she said the law is actually handicapped in some sense because most of these abuse victims want something that the law actually cannot provide -- they want the person to change which really is not something the law can do. it can only punish and that is not something many victims want...

now for those who are not in that field, it can be mind spinning to hear such kind of perspective but it is complicated... so yea, can see how folks see nandini as confusing. part of me thinks that rather than lazy writing, the CVs are doing it on purpose because that is the only way to make this very simple story run for hundred plus episodes.

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FruitToasty

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Posted: 7 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

@pamk06 gave a very apt example and I think that explains nandini's duality quite well. if you are used to getting up in the morning after a night of abuse and going about your daily life pretending nothing has happened, then it becomes second nature. thats been nandini's life. also, the abuse is still ongoing as rajdeep is very much in her life -- abuse is not an one-time event but a continuous time frame. even after a person leaves, it can takes years to rebuild one's life. 

....just putting certain phrases from this article that caught my eye that could explain nandini better -- 


...When you're in the relationship for a long time, you lose your
identity. You believe in the lies you were told. We don't believe in our
ability to live an independent life.
You don't get much sense of freedom and, on average, it takes a
woman seven times to leave a relationship for good. I lost the support
of my own family, and friends. It's about trying to form a new circle of
friends around you for support...
... On average, a woman will put up with 37 cases of abuse, of being hit or
being violated in some way, before they leave, and we're only just
realising thats what happens. We're sometimes not very supportive of
people in domestic violence situations. We don't understand the
dynamics, and it's a big learning curve for all of the community to
understand that it's a very, very difficult thing to break those ties...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/ng-interactive/2015/jun/02/domestic-violence-five-women-tell-their-stories-of-leaving-the-most-dangerous-time

now would agree with many that CVs are sort of using a very serious issue of domestic abuse as a filler and not really explaining how it would affect a person. but hope it gives some more clarity into how nandini feels.

for me, her relationship with mouli is highly misunderstood which is why people are getting really mad.

I don't sense duality in Nandini's make up or dress, I take that as a need of production because they can't show sex without bangles being removed, so I don't have any questions there, I am talking about mentality of victim of physical and mental assault... Many have pointed out that she's not feeling guilty because she is a victim of abuse, I see duality there, either she is completely fake person prone to act as a victim or she's in a state where she's absolutely cold, everything has been taken from her and she's trying to hold one thing she loves which is Kunal, hence no guilt

1) Nandini not feeling guilty with Kunal and Nandini acting normal in front of Mauli - Similar traits, she's not guilty or sad, period. She has accepted who she is and she won't back off

2) Nandini crying and apologizing when she thought Mauli knows the truth, was she crying and feeling bad bad because her truth is out so the whole guilty thing was a drama because as many pointed out she's above the guilt now, I have felt that Nandini uses her tears as a way to get things and Mauli has been moved by her tears same goes for Kunal, he was all cold next morning but she started that emotional blackmail of "Mai ja rahi hu"

I am really having a hard time believing Nandini is innocent in all this and no you can't use your past as a weapon for your future or for destroying other's future.

When it comes to Mauli and Nandini, I think that's extremely selfish of Nandini if she's just taking Mauli's help as a stranger and she doesn't feel that she has a loyalty towards her and it's funny how a good thing is being seen as a flaw, since when giving is a flaw? Nandini taking everything is the mentality of victim of an abuse and Mauli giving all she can is indication of stupidity

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mango

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Posted: 7 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: DracarysTrio

I don't sense duality in Nandini's make up or dress, I take that as a need of production because they can't show sex without bangles being removed, so I don't have any questions there, I am talking about mentality of victim of physical and mental assault... Many have pointed out that she's not feeling guilty because she is a victim of abuse, I see duality there, either she is completely fake person prone to act as a victim or she's in a state where she's absolutely cold, everything has been taken from her and she's trying to hold one thing she loves which is Kunal, hence no guilt

1) Nandini not feeling guilty with Kunal and Nandini acting normal in front of Mauli - Similar traits, she's not guilty or sad, period. She has accepted who she is and she won't back off

2) Nandini crying and apologizing when she thought Mauli knows the truth, was she crying and feeling bad bad because her truth is out so the whole guilty thing was a drama because as many pointed out she's above the guilt now, I have felt that Nandini uses her tears as a way to get things and Mauli has been moved by her tears same goes for Kunal, he was all cold next morning but she started that emotional blackmail of "Mai ja rahi hu"

I am really having a hard time believing Nandini is innocent in all this and no you can't use your past as a weapon for your future or for destroying other's future.

When it comes to Mauli and Nandini, I think that's extremely selfish of Nandini if she's just taking Mauli's help as a stranger and she doesn't feel that she has a loyalty towards her and it's funny how a good thing is being seen as a flaw, since when giving is a flaw? Nandini taking everything is the mentality of victim of an abuse and Mauli giving all she can is indication of stupidity

am not saying the abuse gives her a duality in how she reacts to facing mouli the next day. she was feeling guilty when she was living in the house but at the bus stop, she made a decision to embrace her feelings for kunal whether right or wrong. so now for her, she is completely clear about her role. she feels no guilt because for her, kunal was her saviour. mouli was more like a stranger's help. yes, that sounds selfish but for me, that explains why she doesn't seem conflicted or guilty about mauli. for her, she is not destroying anyone's home because kunal is still with mauli and she hasn't asked kunal to leave mauli or anything. she is glad for his little tidbits that he doles out from time to time...

but her duality coming from abuse does explain how she goes from tears in one moment to strength to another. it is difficult to understand as there isn't much dialogues... and yea, she does tend to cry or tear up in all sorts of stressful situations which does make it seem like she is kind of manipulative.

again, this is all just my reading as I am not attached to any of these characters. it is weird to watch a drama where you don't care about any of them and you are only interested in the train wreck factor. but then again, I watch a lot of murder mysteries and detective series and I often watch those also in the same way. 😆

Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago

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FruitToasty

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Posted: 7 years ago

#26

You mentioned she's completely clear about her role after the bus stand scene, the scene I am talking about is during Mauli's brother's wedding Mauli confronted Nandini about her lie, Nandini thought that Mauli knows their truth, so she started the whole drama of being guilty and crying that's she did not wanna do it.
Either you are guilty or not, or you are just trying to manipulate people with your tears and innocence, which is non-existent considering it took her 3 days to jump in bed with Kunal (Not sparing Kunal, but he is not acting all abla nara type)

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mango

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Posted: 7 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: DracarysTrio

You mentioned she's completely clear about her role after the bus stand scene, the scene I am talking about is during Mauli's brother's wedding Mauli confronted Nandini about her lie, Nandini thought that Mauli knows their truth, so she started the whole drama of being guilty and crying that's she did not wanna do it.
Either you are guilty or not, or you are just trying to manipulate people with your tears and innocence, which is non-existent considering it took her 3 days to jump in bed with Kunal (Not sparing Kunal, but he is not acting all abla nara type)

ah that scene. okay. so was kind of zoned out and more interested in everyone's clothes during that scene. 😆 hahahaha... mouli's skirt was really pretty and so was nadini but I couldn't figure out how they both had very similar prints for dupata also they had identical earrings and jewelry which made me wonder why the stylists was that lazy. then the mom scene showed up and she was wearing this saree with big flowers and exactly same jewelry as the other two! hahahaha.. so basically the stylist went to the same section of shop and just took flower prints that were next to each other 😆.. and then when kunal and nandini were stepping together, couldn't help but think that the actor has really nice feet and not too many guys would look good in pink! 😆 hahahah...

so yea, her standard response to every uncomfortable situation is to well up in tears. she doesn't feel guilty because then the tears would be very different but is she manipulative? my answer would be: not yet. right now, it is more like children who cry at everything because they are so cranky. so you stop paying attention. 😆 however, as she starts to expect more and more from kunal, then I do expect to lot of open manipulation.

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@pamk06

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Posted: 7 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

ah that scene. okay. so was kind of zoned out and more interested in everyone's clothes during that scene. 😆 hahahaha... mouli's skirt was really pretty and so was nadini but I couldn't figure out how they both had very similar prints for dupata also they had identical earrings and jewelry which made me wonder why the stylists was that lazy. then the mom scene showed up and she was wearing this saree with big flowers and exactly same jewelry as the other two! hahahaha.. so basically the stylist went to the same section of shop and just took flower prints that were next to each other 😆.. and then when kunal and nandini were stepping together, couldn't help but think that the actor has really nice feet and not too many guys would look good in pink! 😆 hahahah...

so yea, her standard response to every uncomfortable situation is to well up in tears. she doesn't feel guilty because then the tears would be very different but is she manipulative? my answer would be: not yet. right now, it is more like children who cry at everything because they are so cranky. so you stop paying attention. 😆 however, as she starts to expect more and more from kunal, then I do expect to lot of open manipulation.

I have more hope in her character than that and Nandini is the center of this drama. They will not make her that negative. I do think that subconsciously she does feel guilty but between Kunal's love and Mauli's friendship, Kunal's love is more important. Hence, may be, in her innocence she is thinking that if Mauli does not know then its all OK. Same concept, if you don't know, you are not hurt.

So, coming back to their friendship, I do agree with explanation on the dynamics of their friendship but even if Mauli needs Nandini more, that friendship is important to Nandini. Add to the fact that she is lying when she has never before done, in Mauli own terms. So, when faced with the accusation, its natural that the all the guilt for lying, for loving becomes the emotional overload that comes out in the form of tears. Tears have been her constant companion and because she was not able to defend herself in front of Rajdeep, tears were her expression to show all her displeasure, suffering, pain etc. Also, because she is not used to lying, she fumbles so her first reaction is always admitting to the crime.

When this blows up, I think her guilt will overshadow her love, more for breaking her love's marriage than her friendship. I do think she will leave and the child might be her support.

PS: As they are getting a good TRP, I don't think Mauli will find the whole truth, may be an inkling, confront them too but she just might go back to her happy world if they convince her. Rajdeep will fall on his face or go to jail (CCTV's in Nandini house will prove the domestic violence) and there might be a leap

Edited by pamk06 - 7 years ago

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SummerRain7

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Posted: 7 years ago

#29

Pamk06 - Your post just put another though into my head. What if Mauli is just pulling their leg? As in, Rajdeep tells Mauli about KuNan and Mauli being Mauli would refuse to believe, she will come home and make a joke out of it . I wouldn't really put it past Mauli. She can be annoying that way 😆

The promo does have a serious tone to it though.

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@pamk06

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Posted: 7 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: SummerRain7
Pamk06 - Your post just put another though into my head. What if Mauli is just pulling their leg? As in, Rajdeep tells Mauli about KuNan and Mauli being Mauli would refuse to believe, she will come home and make a joke out of it . I wouldn't really put it past Mauli. She can be annoying that way 😆
The promo does have a serious tone to it though.

Frankly, Mauli confuses me more than Kunal and Nandini. I just don't know how she will react. On one side we see this strong woman who can cut anyone in half but only if she does not care for them. But then we see her with her mom, she is not strong there at all. She is very insecure in that relationship and hence she might have clung to Nandini initially. Nandini's calming presence might be her solace in the teenage years and Nandini was the person who gave that confidence that she can do it (Remember Nandini used to push her to be the doctor).

Then, later in life, it is Kunal who help her with her insecurities as a homemaker. For her, the ideal homemaker is Nandini and Kunal would have been more happy with her. Hence, subsconsiously she want to be like Nandini, hence we see her always comparing be it Rangoli, dance, food, etc.

Finding out of the betrayal would be her worst fear coming to life, it would be devastating. I will go with denial but going with her character sketch, she will confront them, If they explain her logically, she would accept it (especially if the truth has come from Rajdeep) and go back in her happy world. (in a way denying as that better than facing the pain of betrayal). That has been her graph till now and if they are sticking to the original storyline

If now based on the backlash, if they make this Mauli's story, then we might see something different.

Edited by pamk06 - 7 years ago