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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

Pamk06 - oh crap!! I did not watch that OLV ! So no conversation?? Damn ! That's ridiculous. Now that I recall that scene where Mauli asks Kunal to meet her. He asks Mauli 'where' but her reply was not shown. It could very well be the family court then. Satyanash !!

Also, I loathe the very idea of Kunal sacrificing for family and Mauli even considering a patch up. I hope it doesn't go that way.


Yes there is another OLV where Dida asks her to give a chance and she is considering it.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Characters do not have a brain of their own, it's all what the writer wants, discussion is done in depth but is she really thinking in that direction?

What's her project? She has to present an EMA where none is wrong or bad, so the wife can't be wrong nor the other woman, wife does not lack anything, but this writer has difficulties presenting POV of male characters, most of her male characters are dummies, where she uses them to glorify female characters, like there was no need for Rajdeep in this show, Rajdeep or say domestic violence is the white part of Nandini, whenever Nandini does something black, Rajdeep scene is added to compensate so the end result is grey but the problem is repetitive and illogical use of Rajdeep, the dude does nothing, I am not saying he should do something but just think about it, after Nandini came out of his house, he has done absolutely nothing, he's only active to balance Nandini's acts, he's not dangerous, we all know Kunal will save Nandini and if Kunal is not available Nandini will hit him with a stick, the guy is a joker not a villain, domestic violence and rape though heinous here Kunal who's so in love with Nandini, didn't even think about filing a domestic violence case against Rajdeep.

Development and behavior of characters depend on their past, here the problem with writer is that she can't present an inclusive show, where characters are intertwined, stories which are supposed to be parallel to each other are standalone, Nandini and Kunal's love story in no point includes that Mauli is a part of their life that's one story and other story is where Mauli is a part of their life and they are having an EMA, that's not how it works does it?

Nandini as a character is not grey, I know people love saying that she's grey but not for the writer, writer is presenting her as white as Mauli, the EMA part is Mauli's story and the love part is Nandini's story, in EMA Nandini is guilty but the reflection is not present in her love story and this is the problem, the consistency is not there because Nandini is lead in one story and Mauli is lead in another story but the show is not about love story of KuNan, it's about EMA, we can't separate KuNan love story from Mauli.

For us the show is about EMA and KuNan story is an affair not love, so the writer is giving her dialogues according to a normal love story, imagine a victim of domestic violence falling in love with a man, declaring her love for him in front of her abusive husband, a big development, no? If you take one part of Nandini's life and omit Mauli from it, her dialogues are as strong as Mauli's dialogues, But Nandini is not declaring her love for a random man but for a married man, who's married to her best friend, that's why I think the writer is not able to present Nandini with all her layers, KuNan love is repulsive, I don't think you can build your house on ruins of someone's home.

Now come to the scene in the hospital, that scene wasn't for Nandini, Nandini and Kunal were just a part of it, the scene was for Mauli, Mauli had to see that Nandini had replaced her so what she saw was that Nandini is repeating the same dialogues to doctor that Mauli said to Nandini when Kunal had that bridge accident, in this scene Nandini reaction was astonishing, it wasn't like she's in love with Kunal but Kunal is her sanak, her junoon, Mauli saw her junoon for Kunal and this chapter will close then and there, Nandini accepting herself as Mrs Kunal Malhotra is not part of Nandini's past as a character but it will be a part of Mauli's past, this was for Mauli and Mauli only from Writer's perspective, Writer was given a job to show a positive EMA, Rajdeep failed now who better than the wife itself to justify their affair?

I think we all can unanimously agree that there are major gaps in both character and story development and screenplay. And yes, the writer wanted to tell us a story moving away from the realm of right and wrong but could not create situations and characterizations to that effect. They have bungled majorily at some very crucial points. So yeah.. it is a mess in some ways, but not messy enough to make me lose interest completely 😃 The story is at a very crucial juncture now, and I think I will not have to wait long to find out whether they are going to mess it up completely. Umeed pe duniya kaayam hai 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06


Yes there is another OLV where Dida asks her to give a chance and she is considering it.

I am aware of that OLV, but I was hoping she wouldn't cave in. Also I what meant was what you mentioned in you ITV experience based prediction - Mauli recognizing Nandini's sacrifice and considering a patch up with her.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

Characters do not have a brain of their own, it's all what the writer wants, discussion is done in depth but is she really thinking in that direction?

What's her project? She has to present an EMA where none is wrong or bad, so the wife can't be wrong nor the other woman, wife does not lack anything, but this writer has difficulties presenting POV of male characters, most of her male characters are dummies, where she uses them to glorify female characters, like there was no need for Rajdeep in this show, Rajdeep or say domestic violence is the white part of Nandini, whenever Nandini does something black, Rajdeep scene is added to compensate so the end result is grey but the problem is repetitive and illogical use of Rajdeep, the dude does nothing, I am not saying he should do something but just think about it, after Nandini came out of his house, he has done absolutely nothing, he's only active to balance Nandini's acts, he's not dangerous, we all know Kunal will save Nandini and if Kunal is not available Nandini will hit him with a stick, the guy is a joker not a villain, domestic violence and rape though heinous here Kunal who's so in love with Nandini, didn't even think about filing a domestic violence case against Rajdeep.

Development and behavior of characters depend on their past, here the problem with writer is that she can't present an inclusive show, where characters are intertwined, stories which are supposed to be parallel to each other are standalone, Nandini and Kunal's love story in no point includes that Mauli is a part of their life that's one story and other story is where Mauli is a part of their life and they are having an EMA, that's not how it works does it?

Nandini as a character is not grey, I know people love saying that she's grey but not for the writer, writer is presenting her as white as Mauli, the EMA part is Mauli's story and the love part is Nandini's story, in EMA Nandini is guilty but the reflection is not present in her love story and this is the problem, the consistency is not there because Nandini is lead in one story and Mauli is lead in another story but the show is not about love story of KuNan, it's about EMA, we can't separate KuNan love story from Mauli.

For us the show is about EMA and KuNan story is an affair not love, so the writer is giving her dialogues according to a normal love story, imagine a victim of domestic violence falling in love with a man, declaring her love for him in front of her abusive husband, a big development, no? If you take one part of Nandini's life and omit Mauli from it, her dialogues are as strong as Mauli's dialogues, But Nandini is not declaring her love for a random man but for a married man, who's married to her best friend, that's why I think the writer is not able to present Nandini with all her layers, KuNan love is repulsive, I don't think you can build your house on ruins of someone's home.

Now come to the scene in the hospital, that scene wasn't for Nandini, Nandini and Kunal were just a part of it, the scene was for Mauli, Mauli had to see that Nandini had replaced her so what she saw was that Nandini is repeating the same dialogues to doctor that Mauli said to Nandini when Kunal had that bridge accident, in this scene Nandini reaction was astonishing, it wasn't like she's in love with Kunal but Kunal is her sanak, her junoon, Mauli saw her junoon for Kunal and this chapter will close then and there, Nandini accepting herself as Mrs Kunal Malhotra is not part of Nandini's past as a character but it will be a part of Mauli's past, this was for Mauli and Mauli only from Writer's perspective, Writer was given a job to show a positive EMA, Rajdeep failed now who better than the wife itself to justify their affair?


I really liked the way you explained the hospital scene. 👏


I do agree that there are gaps in the story. Also, we all came to see this with certain expectations of how the story would unfold based on the promos. But, I guess that was not the makers intention and hence the disappointment. Plus there have been huge building size gaps that have been not been cleared yet which adds to our frustration.

Based on what they have shown us, I have come to the conclusion that the story is about an emotional EMA, where a man thinks that he has found his soulmate and is very happy with her but then suddenly has a rude awakening where he realizes that its not the case at all. His soulmate is someone completely different, exact opposite to what he believe it to be. Its the story of the aftermath of that realization and the choices that the person makes because of that. Its the story of a woman who always wanted love in her life but found out that her search ends at her best friends doorstep and the prize that she will have to be pay for that love.Its a story of a wife, who at no fault of hers, is a victim of that realization and their choices.

Coming back to KuNan, from the beginning the makers have shown their bond as the divine soulmate connection. In-spite of the backlash, they have not refuted that claim. That means, that has been their intention all along. Yes, we might not like it but this is their story and we have to go with it, whether we agree or no. Not once have they given an indication that this is lust or something temporary or a fling. Thus the fact is, Kunal and Nandini, as of now (Friday's episode), are totally in love. They are very serious about each other and for that they are ready to go to any lengths whether its sacrificing his family or her friendship, two most important things in their life. This is the gray part. They are good people in other modes of life but when its comes to their own happiness and their love, they care only about themselves. If you look at it from that perspective, their actions do make sense in a weird way but its not right as in their quest, they are destroying another innocent person.

Rajdeep is a very important part of this show because he was very much needed to push their story. Without him, there would be no Kunal and Nandini. His every action was needed to push them close to each other and Mauli's was needed to keep them away from each other. I used to call her their beacon of rightness. In short, Rajdeep won, Mauli lost (in figurative terms). Now, they are telling us he is going to jail that is because he is no longer needed for the next track. The reason for this might be that they want to show Kunal - Nandini separation, and Nandini going on an independent journey because, as long as, Rajdeep is in picture, she will not be able to do it. And if Rajdeep is in her life, Kunal would need to be in her life.
Or the other reason for his going away might be to see if their love is strong enough to survive the guilt of Mauli devastation especially as their relationship is no longer overshadowed by Rajdeep's abuse. Or something completely different that has never happened on ITV . (Hope it is this as long as its digestible😊 and hopefully its not Nandini's slow decline to insecurity.)


Edited by pamk06 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

I am aware of that OLV, but I was hoping she wouldn't cave in. Also I what meant was what you mentioned in you ITV experience based prediction - Mauli recognizing Nandini's sacrifice and considering a patch up with her.


Anything is possible.. This is ITV but its might not be immediately but way in the future. 😆
Edited by pamk06 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
so yesterday's episode, thoughts friends?

-- where on earth such society women exist who would care so much about what some stranger is doing in their apartment building? nowadays, many of us don't even know our neighbours... not only are they jobless but highly insecure. their actions were highly defensive and what exactly were the CVs trying to say? rather than reflection on nandini, I kept thinking "do these women have no faith in their own marriages and husbands? how unhappy are they in their lives that they would fear a stranger based on another stranger's words?"

-- as usual, kunal says nothing. his only words to mauli are if she has told dadi and his mom. it is mauli who keeps going back and forth in her mind...

-- based on this incident with the neighbours, even if kunal feels compelled by dadi, can't see him abandoning nandini because he created this mess. can he abandon her after all of this? again, another circumstances leading both of them to make decisions...

-- can someone please explain to me the court scene? both mouli and kunal are filing for mutual consent divorce right? so why is the judge asking them why? is that customary? isn't it enough to say irreconcilable differences? and what is this one month time to think about things and then it will be filed? is this the mandatory counselling that the judge was referring to? does anyone know if mandatory counselling is required with mutual consent divorce as well? and don't they have to live apart for a year before they file for divorce or now you can file whenever? anyone with some legal knowledge?
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Posted: 7 years ago
Mango_pudding1 - Disaster thy name is yesterday's episode!!!
First things first - Indian divorce laws ki aisi ki thaisi kar di!! Why do ITV do this? ?? Why can't they show the correct law proceedings???
So, to begin with, it is required to actually file a petition first, stating irreconcilable differences. And before that there would be lots of discussions between the lawyer and the couple to decide what needs to go on the petition. Before they even get to the magistrate that petition needs to be accepted. This will ideally take time. Maybe that is what they meant by one month. No magistrate will see them before all that. So I have no idea why they had to show that. It would have been enough if Mauli had called him to the lawyer's office.

Now coming to Mauli , in a way I enjoyed the shock on Kunal's face, but Mauli should have let him talk. This is exactly what pamk06 mentioned in her post yesterday. And this man Kunal infuriates me . He just stood there like a dumb doll!! He looked like he has absolutely no clue as to what to do in his life. Or it could be interpreted in a different way, that he is only worried about his family and how his family will live through all this and hence, that question .Did he ask Dida and Mamma before effing around with his wife's best friend ?? God!! Talking about him makes my BLOOD BOIL!!! Frankly, both Nandini and Mauli would be better off in life without this sorry excuse of a man! ! Urrgh!! What was he thinking??

Now the mahila morcha scene -- Is this Mumbai or some godforsaken village where Khap panchayats rule? Do these things really happen?? It was just so nasty and so unwatchable. What would have been realistic would be the gossip reaching the landlord and the landlord asking them to vacate or may be even a couple of men turning up at Nandini's door wanting to try their luck ( as disgusting as it is, that does happen in reality)
Did the makers want to show that the society looks at EMAs as some kind of unforgivable sin and that it is the woman that bears the maximum brunt? Now, it is true to a certain extent but this kind of pubic shaming in an urban city is a tad unrealistic. Also, if Nandini starts feeling guilty just because of this public shaming ( it is natural for her to be traumatized) , I would say the makers are passing on a very wrong message to the society.

Now, two things have happened in the aftermath of this incident. Nandini is traumatized and Kunal makes a promise to her, that they will be together from now on. And yet again, us viewers are left wondering, what Kunal's thoughts are? Had Mauli not initiated the divorce proceedings, would he have given that promise readily? If this public shaming had not happened, would he still be in his thinking zone leaving Nandini and Mauli hanging in mid air?? What does this man really really want????







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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

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Now the mahila morcha scene -- Is this Mumbai or some godforsaken village where Khap panchayats rule? Do these things really happen?? It was just so nasty and so unwatchable. What would have been realistic would be the gossip reaching the landlord and the landlord asking them to vacate or may be even a couple of men turning up at Nandini's door wanting to try their luck ( as disgusting as it is, that does happen in reality)
Did the makers want to show that the society looks at EMAs as some kind of unforgivable sin and that it is the woman that bears the maximum brunt? Now, it is true to a certain extent but this kind of pubic shaming in an urban city is a tad unrealistic. Also, if Nandini starts feeling guilty just because of this public shaming ( it is natural for her to be traumatized) , I would say the makers are passing on a very wrong message to the society.

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@bold -- exactly! thats much more realistic. the shaming if it does happen is usually very subtle and even then people hardly poke their nose into anything because people are just busy with their own lives.

in this place I stayed few years back, there was a rumour that the first floor guy was potentially having affair with a married woman. he was a divorcee and she used to visit at times with her husband (they were all part of the same social circle) and sometimes she would visit alone. were they just friends? were they more? who knows but while people were happy to gossip, it is not like people cared to do anything. and neither did people shun this woman or man at social events. people might gossip in the back but everyone is ultimately busy with their own lives.

and in another place, there was once this huge ruckus in the night. not sure of the exact sequence but the guy was separated and seeing someone else. what was aggravating for the wife and her family was that his family approved of the new woman because they thought the wife was a shrew. so he comes back at 1 in the night after his shift and wife and her family were waiting. so they started having huge arguments and woke us all up. one of the neighbours was like "whatever your family problems, go to court or wherever but dont disturb our sleep!" and when they ignored him, he called the police. the wife and family were told to leave or they would be arrested for public nuisance. he actually moved out after a month or so because the house owner said neighbours were complaining of their sleep disturbing!

so, yea, really no one cares in the city. it is not like these women are mouli's relatives or friends. they don't even know her or rajdeep or mouli's mom. so why on earth would they care?

so just another circumstance to simply whip kunal and nandini together...
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Posted: 7 years ago
Mango_pudding1 - I swear, both the examples you have quoted, that is how it happens in real life . No on has that kind of time anymore. The little time you get away from work or other responsibilities you would ideally want to spend it peacefully with people who matter to you . But I was wondering whether Rajdeep had paid these women to do this? Or are they just random women living in the same building indulging in vigilantism?
What are your thoughts on Kunal ? Does he have serious head injury? 😆
On a serious note, I think there is no confusion in his head about who he wants to be with, and it is Nandini. The problem for him is the path that he needs to tread to be united with Nandini . It is laden with difficulties and he knows he will have to hurt many people and that will make him this man that he does not want to become. He has always considered himself as righteous and what he had done and will have to do now is conflicting with that notion. But this weighing down of consequences and this conflict is what he should have had earlier. What is the point in having it now? I know there are men like him in real life too. They choose to be so delusional while cheating and only when they get caught they become very conflicted. So then maybe, this is what the makers want to show us.
Now going forward, I think he may go on that one month trial with Mauli. But I think it is merely an act that Kunal and Mauli will put up in front of Dida, not a genuine attempt to work on their relationship. Nandini may come back to her senses during this time and go away? Or she may get pregnant? What do you think?
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Posted: 7 years ago
@mango_pudding and @pamk: That whole society women blackening Nandini's face and all was very annoying and stupid. It was unnecessary drama and somewhere I felt the CVs brought that into the episode to make us feel bad for Nandini. My problem is that they had so many others way of doing it. Like you both said, they could have shown men showing up at Nandini's house looking for a chance or the landlord throwing Nandini out. They could have shown Nandini being rejected at a society meeting. It has happened. I've seen this myself. When I was in India a few years back I attended a society meeting with my cousin and there was this one woman that no one was talking to. My cousin later told me that she was a divorcee who apparently had different men over all the time and that's why no one spoke to her in the society. It was their silent boycott. I couldn't believe it, but my cousin said that even if someone did want to talk to her, they didn't because else they would be boycotted against as well. Pretty effective measure to stop anyone from breaking societal rules, but also it makes more sense in today's world. We already don't have the time to talk to our neighbours and when we want to, we have to be careful not to break "society" norms.

I also feel that CVs are trying to show Kunal in a way so that we feel sympathy for him. He cheated Mauli, but now Mauli and Nandini are deciding his life. Oh feel some pity for this poor cheating husband who is now being thrown around like a ping pong ball. My foot. The man just wants his life easy. When he was with Mauli, she took care of everything. He didn't have to make any decisions. Now that he has been seen with Nandini, he just wants to take whatever is the easy route for all. If that means letting the women decide, so be it.

I had asked the same question as to what Kunal should do now. But, based on a TellyChakkar article, it appears he chooses to stay with Mauli for his Dida and Nandini leaves their life and becomes a successful businesswoman. Great. Kunal doesn't have to take responsibility for anything he did. I just hope they don't show Nandini returning with a child from the one time that she and Kunal had sex. That would be like too TV-serialish.

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